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Helloooooooo Thereee!!!!!!!!!!! I haven't had a Beethoven ask in so long so Im hapspapayay to see this. Never everrrr apologise , people are free to text and send whatever about Beethoven (or anything they have in their mind!).

Minona has been approached as a passing subject once, but I must had forgotten my take back then 😭😭. Also since this is rare, I will have my chance to ramble about the lay out and then my opinion. If you wish the shorter answer, I will put it at the end of this post!! The first part is for those who might not be familiar with it.

First things first, obviously, I am on the team Josephine for the "Immortal Beloved". Since there are only 2 contenders who have back-up evidence, I do not rule Bentanto out entirely. Anything could had been possible. Maybe with another occasion, I will speak about all the possible scenarios and evidence for these 2 girlies and everyone can assume or choose which one seems more fitting.

This is pretty much relevant , because from this letter (6-7th July 1812) comes hand in hand the biggest coincidence !! : after 9 months , Josephine gives birth to Minona. His most famous letter on love literally prescipts in a lil Babygirl?

Question 1. Was it possible for her to meet Beethoven in the time frame for him to be considered the father ?

The biggest proof against the Josephine theory, unlike Antoine's case, is the lack of evidence about her whereabouts this specific time. We do not have the absolute proof she was in Prague in that time frame, so as far as I've learnt from all these biographers, I cannot make simple assumptions for facts without evidence.

What we do know for sure is that: 1. Stackelberg had left her in June 1812 and was definitely away in July too . 2. Jospehine writes about wishing to see Prague, . 3. Therese's diary, the sister of Josephine, also abruptly stops around this time. So the meeting was possible to achieve if they wished so.

Stackelberg, by all accounts, could had not been the possible biological father of the girl.

Question 2. Would had Beethoven rekindle an old flame ?

Yes. Absolutely It would be his third time reconnecting with her. We also know for sure she is the ONLY mutual love. (i have still a few opinions about that too but meh). There isn't proof for Antoine like there is for Josephine for an actual exchange of love. He would most definitely yearn to reconnect with her in all possible ways.

Question 3. Would they had slept with eachother.

Sure.

Good!!!!!!! Now of course, ASSUMING all these, there can be foundation for the possibility of fathering a child in this timeframe. Josephine gives birth and calls her Minona. As most point out , this unconventional name can be read backwards and see ''Anonim''. This is lowkey such a ...cool name..Not the situation, but the prospect of doing that. Like damn.

Surprisingly, the girl grows out to compose and have a fiery temperament. Therese outright calls her the most genius out of all her siblings. Who ELSE was an absolute genius? DADA, dats right.

We will look a bit on the physical way and well, again, make your own assumption if they could share some genes. Like mannnn, dont telll me she doesn't have the same head-shape and even nose. I know looking similar isn't necessarily the ''proof'', but it is so surprisingly convenient she does. she makes it sm easier with this..

THE END AND CONCLUSION AND MY (mean) TAKE

NOW, at the end , for my opinion? OOOh this one is gon' be lowkey crazy to admit. Okay, the scholars who deny this theory usually claim is too fantastical or drama-like to be true. And sure, fair, it might seem so. But at the same time,, it doesn't? Not to me . These stuff about a quick fling happens all the time, why wouldn't it be true in this case either? Also all Josephine does is get pregnant anyway, Beethoven just another man in line.

Do I deny it in my head ? Constantly. Yes. I am on two fronts. I think it is more than highly possible, maybe 95% belief that he is the father of this girl. But the part of my head that absolutely denies it comes to the fact is another devastating event in his life that he didn't need. It does nothing but add up to he pile of ironical cruel jokes Ludwig deals with. I won't even recount all , as most know them, but of course being deaf is one of the most ironical thing when you are such a talented composer. Beethoven longed for a family and most obviously to be a father. The concept of Josephine, his great love ( not me??) to had this child and he never was able to be the father he wanted to be. We see this in the absolute desperate attempts of calling himself a father to his nephew. If he would had known it was his, he would had went through Hell and back to raise her because that's how he is. But from what I've seen, there is no account he knew or had met her.

Also like , again, in my parasocial MIND, which I agree is also biased and not reasonable.... Josephine dont deserve that ... Like your life already shit, but don't make Beethoven's life even shitter omgggg DONT! like i think i cannot stomach it . The idea of her being with Beethoven simply dont sit right with me. Im trying to be understanding , but I cant. Not too much. Forgiev me Josephine anon, u are still a gem in my head.

evergthing abt choliszt , sand or d'agoult is messy and i like that

mozart and his lil bababbayy and ludwig (also lil babayt)