Hiii :3 !!! I’m Skiter / Cat / Kat and I am SPOKEISHERE'S BIGGEST FAN
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UU - unstable universe
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literally thank you so much for putting in so much work to answer my questions!!! i was not expecting a diagram 😭 it is genuinely so appreciated tho. and i saw the other person who recommended i’m your man and was like damn i wasn’t the first to come up with that one lol /lh i have a few thoughts on what you said:
- “the fact that spoke loves mapicc is what dooms mapicc.” isn’t love being the cause of doom the main theme of uu? wifies loves parrot enough that it turns him into the director and gets him killed, wemmbu loves egg enough to keep him around and it gets egg kidnapped many times, flame loves lomedy enough to let him leave because he understands the importance of individuality (healthiest duo in the series…)
- “Mapicc is the endling of a species that spoke depends on or his food chain collapses.” so what i’m hearing is that spoke is the predator and mapicc is the prey… thinking really hard about this one 👀 what predator is spoke and what prey is mapicc i need to know
- idk how you even made the connection of the player centers (i was trying to remember what it was called and my brain came up with “soul hole” somehow 😭) but it is so cool,, the end poem being the foundation of life is so interesting. the aroace-ness of it all… he’s just like me for real :( i like the implication of understanding the different types of love being like. a genetic thing kinda. like in a “born with it” type of way. the way the misunderstanding of love and the fundiff thing and the wanting to be good thing all coexist because of the universal deviation of self-constructed players is very autism coded. again, just like me. you said spoke trying to love mapicc is like trying to speak a language he doesn’t know, and i think that applies to a lot of other areas of his life too. it’s not just love that makes him confused, it’s morality and empathy and power and so much more.
- i have another idea, walk with me in my mind palace. the end poem is the basis of life, what players accept as truth because it is wired into them with code. a written text people believe in…sort of like a bible… are you picking up what i’m putting down. what if the average Universe-constructed player believes in the Universe like a god. you described self-constructed players as having “broken away” from the universe. what if those are fallen angels. what if spoke is a fallen angel. spoke being villainized by the the Universe believers on unstable because he strayed from the Universe in his creation. spoke not understanding the end poem because it was never wired into his code and being looked down upon because of it. yet another way he is fundamentally different from everyone on the server. skiter am i making sense. you mentioned spoke as a rift angel and i have no clue what that is but like. fallen angel spoke… (sorry i grew up christian and the religious trauma brainworms appeared out of nowhere)
- i get so excited when i see long posts lol you never overwhelm me!! if anything i worry i overwhelm you, i know my questions can be a lot to chew on. the english student in me can’t help but dissect things as much as possible. i also cannot wait for ur 300 tumblrinas/1000 ao3 comments celebration fic :3
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Rowannn o//// YES my diagram. Well I wanted to explain it well!! ^_^ YAY.
YES YES YES YOUG OT IT BRUH. Theo um parrot puts him in danger by being a guard dog. i think its interesting abt torchflowers also cuz like. most of the protags quickly attach to their deuters, but flame doesnt really care about lomedy for a bit because hes caught up with his Strongest On The Server bs. and theyre the least lovedoomed duo hmmm.
I didn't explicitly mean predator prey but i accept that also :eyes: I was thinking more like. like how plankton make oxygen for us. Or how like. like imagine spoke is a mouse who lives in undergrowth, and mapicc is a wolf who kills big mammoths. If mapicc leaves, the mammoths walk over the land and turn it into something more like a plains w/ less cover. u get it. BUT If spoke is the hunter and mapicc is the hunted, then they might be human x wolf. hear me out. spoke as a hunter bc getting food is rlly important for humans right, and spoke doesnt think hismelf as a player(a human), so its sick and twisted to put him into the hunter role. ALSO hunters are seen as "cruel". Spoke kills mapicc to live but then he's out of wolves to eat.... MMM!! Or spoek as someone who hunts endangered species for sport.... many things to consider
SOUL HOLE LMAO. I made the connection bc like. i have one concept about spoke hole theory, and one about the universe loving you, so i mixed them. Fun! THE AROACENESS OF IT ALL </3. I think aroace ppl in this world just have shallower capacities in the sections of their body that hold "romance" and "sexual". Or like they have tighter valves and the love has to be intense for it to get romantic. its all a spectrum. HES JUST LIKE US FR!!!! The lack of a player center is so mental illness. I LOVE FANTASY DISABILTY :FIRE:
i like the implication of understanding the different types of love being like. a genetic thing kinda. like in a “born with it” type of way. the way the misunderstanding of love and the fundiff thing and the wanting to be good thing all coexist because of the universal deviation of self-constructed players is very autism coded.
You won't guess what disorders i have bruh... we're not so differnet u and i... YES!! Ughh that feeling that you were born lacking something that everyone else has... or, in typical hole theory fashion, you have a sadness that is supposed to be removed at birth.... UGH!!! You get me rowan u get me
you said spoke trying to love mapicc is like trying to speak a language he doesn’t know, and i think that applies to a lot of other areas of his life too. it’s not just love that makes him confused, it’s morality and empathy and power and so much more.
Girl with aspd: i don't know how to be normal and i act strangely
^hes the girl with aspd btw. i dont have that
We have to kill you. Okay. okay okay okay okay putting all of that aside-- Yeah! The believing in the universe is a religion. I will say that it's real, maybe not to the personificated version some ppl believe, but what i've said in tumblr asks so far is real. The universe loves you. The universe makes you. you are the universe. Diff ppl believe in different aspects of it to differnet degrees- just like real religions! Also jesus christ was real and he's like herobrine but goodhearted so that's why the exclamation "jesus christ!" works.
You call the end poem a written text and ehhhh?? It isn't. There's. It's code. you know the scrambled text in it?? that's how it feels. the End Poem isn't really a poem, its just called that. The End Poem is an experience. you beat the enderdragon and it's not really two voices, it's not really two colors of text, its not really two fonts, it's two beings. you cant even call them beings. its two feelings. two vibes. Two vibes and you know theyre talking to each other because there is a vibe-eral exchange. emotions and like weighted air(air?? where are you? weighted void? just weighted nothing????). There is a conversation, very much so, and you know what they're saying because its your parent talking in your native language, even though you haven't practiced that language since you were a very little kid. Why are there two "voices"?? How can one have a conversation with themself? Well, you're here, right? And you're basically just your mom but in a different body. The universe can talk to her/his/its/their/ourself because it's everything. She/he/it/they/we want for you to be able to comprehend it.
RIFTANGELS. so everything in the universe balances out. everything. sunlight and sundark, heavy and light, hot and cold, love and hate, full and empty, everything and nothing, kinetic and potential, angels and devils-- Um wait. That last one?? BASCIALLY DEVILS ARENT THE OPPOSITE OF ANGELS. Thats some bullshit some random a while ago made up, like the study on wolf packing behaviors. the real opposites are this thing called riftangels. Angels (im workingshopping a long name for them. stitchangels? Opposite of a rift is a closure) can heal, and riftangels can hurt. An angel leans on their friend/person they want to heal, and uses excess energy in the air (because the universe loves them) to heal the person. Inversely, a riftangel grabs their enemy/person they want to hurt, and uses excess energy in the air (because the universe loves them too) to hurt the person. Riftangel effect is kinda a wither, angel effect is like regen. or maybe sat?? Idk yet. but u get it.
THIS IS IMPORTNAT!!! This part is important: Spoke thinks that being an opposite is bad. he thinks being one of the opposites that is like-- yk how there's no such thing as physical cold, there's no "cold" particle, it's just a lack of heat? A lack of particle collision?? That's a 'negative opposite'. darkness, light(weight), cold, hate, emptiness, nothing, potential, riftangels. Take a quote from my magnum opus fic:
"Spoke is not something intentional. His species is not meant to even exist really, and the only reason he does is because an angel looked into the void some 10 to the eightieth years ago and saw its reflection. Spoke is the rubble of an accident– there was a positive without a negative, a direct relationship without the inverse relationship, something impossible; he's basically a big electron. He was created to be the mirror of some angel, so that when the universe wraps itself in a hug, and everything runs a count of itself, the number of angels and their opposites cancel each other out, and the everything's tally amounts to a total net nothing.
Spoke, for all that he tries to break free of the universe, is only a part of it. He is a culmination of life and death, but even with all the effort of Things to exist; he is not worth anything."
(right after this spoke says he is esp not worthy of mapicc. the fic is so good i wont quote anymore bc i want it to be experienced spoilerfree)
Essentially. To your idea about players alienating him for being werid-- dont even worry! hes done that to himself!! Definitely tho other players at best think he's a little odd and at worst think hes a freak. Again, neurodivergent feeling of Missing Something and the way Everyone Else knows too... Ohhhhhhhh. I write like this because i was the animal who was almost human but not quite human enough to be a person close to other people. But now i live with the other animals so life is good o7
dw!! Your questions dont overwhelm me in a bad way i prommy, i just take a few days to answer bc i need to ponder and i procrastinate on putting words together LOL
I FEEL KINDA BAD THO cause for every question or idea you pose i feel like i sound like "im five steps ahead you fool... useles..." I HOPE YOU DONT THINK THAT i dont mean it like that i promise i love getting these asks its an excuse to yap and i love hearing your takes and going "I THOUGHT THE SAME THING!!! THATS TWIN!!". I'm not professionally an english student but its more of a mental outlook, so the english student in US!! And yes hehehehh... heh heh heh... my 300 tumblrinas 300 twitling and 1k ao3 comments fic... which will be the 50th fic in the mcyt collection on ao3!! AH!!
genuine question shouldn’t your twitter clips have “// lifesteal spoilers” ? Since even heart counts or locations can act as spoilers or leaks for other lifestealers
DUDE IM SO SORRY I TRY MY BEST TO REMEMBER BUT IM SO FUCKING BAD AT IT Like i remind myself daily and then i forget. i know it sounds Crazyyyy coming from the girl with memory disorder but i struggle to remember AND WITH TUMBLR U CAN EDIT THE POST BUT ON TWTITER LIKE IM NOT PAYING SEVEN DOLLARS basically im sorry to all my fans
The One Wish Willow is from Obsession (a movie which came out this year). It’s a sort of novelty stick thing which grants you a wish if you break it, but in a monkey’s paw sort of way. In the movie, Bear wishes that this girl Nikki would love him more than anything else in the world, except (much like the monkey’s paw) this ends up being taken very literally and Nikki loses all personal autonomy to this wish and to Bear and it’s horrifying and you can tell she doesn’t want this but she’s compelled to because of the One Wish Willow (at one point she begs him to kill her and he refuses).
(You don’t need to post this ask I just thought you might want to know)
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I really really REALLY liked your spoke analysis....esp the chart you made on describing the way he loves...it really struck a chord with me man and its like you just. Get it. I also love the backstory and lore you made for spoke that id SOIOAOOOI SOOO COOOLLLLL LIKE DUDEEE.
I was wondering what's Ur opinion on patchbreakers 🤔 -adhd
HI O/
Ty! They dont call me the number one psoke fan for nothing :sunglasses:. YES!! I love mc worldbuilindng i have soooooooooooooooo much
Dear god. okay first off if youre coming into my tumblr askbox and calling them patchbreakers JUST KNOW THAT YOURE BREAKING MY HEART /silyl theyre epxloit founders.. pls... my epxloit founders... yeueueiueieeiuui. patchbrekers is a much better name but my exploit foudners.... it came first... It holds a special meaning to me bc for SO LONG spoke pov was hated and when i was in the trenches saying "HES NOT JUST A JOKESTER HES MENTALLY ILL" we called them exploit founders. When i wrote the third fic on ao3 that was exploit foudners centric, we called them exploit founders... (( I dont actually mind that much i just wanted to tell u why i call them exploit foudners LALMSPKASPD youre good ))
jamato is spokes original sin. Basically. Jamato was spokes first best friend. Jamato taught him how to exploit, let spoke depend on him, then failed to curb spoke, and cruelly left spoke hanging dry. It's entirely understandable (uuspoke pov is a tragedy bruh), but it's still like. spoke is the way he is in large part due to how jamato left. Yk that quote "Revelation is only mentioned once, but refered to again and again and again and again" ?? THat's spoke with jamato and the first uu ep. Over and over he refers to it-- HONESTLY! Jamato left spoke because spoke was Bad, and that just furthered spoke's belief that he was seperate from every other thing. he's different and hes bad and being those things has consequences like your bestfriend leaving.
^To avoid the consequences in the future, spoke puts up a wall. He lies and lies and lies to aovid it, to mapicc and all the people he meets. UU!Ro just makes it worse too with keeping the exploited items.. GOD
Jamato leaving is the catalyst to spoke's need to be Good. If he isnt Good then his friend leaves
^from my oriignal spoke thesis. a little outdated.
If he's good enough, if he cures all his issues and gets redeemed, then he'll be okay. Jamato will come back, spoke just has to bury everything jamato didn't like about him. That's why he destroys the exploited items, it's why he lies (or at least, doesn't tell the truth) to mapicc about jamato and the exploited items and spoke's role in that. He doesn't wanna scare off his new friend, which is reasonable, and i fully agree with him telling mapicc after theyve done a raid. I just, uh, i dunno if he wouldve done that if he didn't think he had to (to spoke's Not Yet A Superliar brain: he needs to tell mapicc why ppl dont like spoke. okay fine i guess. Modernly, spoke would either lie and say "idk why they hate me!" or tell mapicc "they hate me for exploiting but i didnt even do that!" or "they hate me because i was in a bind and i was forced to kill their pet").
From here, spoke does everything to be good. She lies to herself, to her allies, to mapicc, to everyone and everything. Spoke tries to destroy exploited items and follow "What Would Jamato Do?". But due to his poor social skills and both his and mapiccs lack of care, he kinda fails. He keeps destroying innocent bases and random farms and he befriends the literal serverwide villain. But he grows from this, he and mape decide no more mistakes, they have to be careful, bc this isnt funny jokes, this has people's lives in the balance. Spoke starts treating mapicc like a superior and smart person because mapcic is better at navigating this stuff-- this is the beginning of devious duo god-follower bs.
Spoke joins the mafia, in part, because jamato left. He tells infiltration quartet after he kills majrose "I feel so stupid for believing that- that i was part of something." He tells them that he felt so good being a part of something, and he feels dumb as fuck for thinking that ash cared about him at all. Infquar say "fuck ash, he has invis yesmen, and you have us. you have friends." So spoke gets fufilled, the hole in him is less, because he feels love.
We see over and over that, as long as it seems to him that what he's doing is good, he doesn't really care about the effect it has on others. That sounds like "people die when theyre killed" but like you get it. He killed rose and told himself "this is for the greater good. this is how the mafia falls." That's bc spoke has those delusions and they block his ability to judge good and bad. He's blinded by the ache for his first best friend, too blinded by the need to be Good to realize that killing an innocent is no help to defeating the Mafia. It's in a way, due to jamato that spoke has killed who he has. Rose and Treeleaf and his 200 player army (it was NOT 1000 you cant gaslight me) and minute's end dimension(the first time(and the second but we'll get there)) and every player he has kil;led bc the bloodthirst he got from the original kills and the ppl who died with him in exucution in purgatory and everyone his armies (null included) and macaronibaloney, leowook, redjaron bases-- Everything i just listed is because spoke needed to be Good. And it's Jamato's fault spoke needs to be Good. Jamato didn't kill those people, but his actions butteryfly effect led to them dying. (up to you if that makes him guilty. I lean no personally)
And THEN. THEN. then. as if doing this to spoke by being a coward(/neu) wasn't enough, jamato comes back. jamato haunts spokes narrative for a year and a half, then he kidnaps the only thing keeping spoke semi-sane. I don't know what the fuck he was thinking. I hate him for this. It's like girl you just want spoke to get worse, you just want to prove yourself right. youre obsessed. anyway.
Jamato steals spoke's meds basically, and then, after spoke tracks mapicc down, jamato shakes spoke's world up again by being Alive And Here. Spoke isn't doing okay at all. Imagine a girl off her meds and she takes them and then two hours later you have her on top of a lighthouse and. hgggg
What he did on the lighthouse is sick. its. UGH!!! RAGHHRHR!!! It gets me jawless every single time. its sick and twisted and soso intriguing. i hate him So Much but hes interesting as fuck too. why did he did this.
Okay, he takes away spokes only coping mechanism for a week and a half or wtvr, and then gives spoke two whiplashes, and then he confronts her. He gives this whole speech about how spoke is just fated, destined to be a villain. and spoke's been hearing this since day 1, and fuck it gets to him. He needs to be Good, but everyone tells him he's insnae and can't get help and a lost cause and like. Fine. Fine! Jamato took mapicc and jamato did this to him and jamato Won't. Shut. Up. So he proves jamato right (at his lowest. without any coping mechanisms, it makes hella sense that he would kill the hell out of a person who is actively making spoke hate them).
I cant get into null arc bc deadass i havent watched most of it. but theyre as bad as each other and jamato is FUCKED for putting spoke thru all of that and then putitng him in the SUICIDE TORTURE NEXUS. WHAT!?!?!?! Also jamato killed mapicc btw fuck jamatop
for all my jamato hating (grits teeth) i actually really like his character lol. so so interesting. lets fucking kill the FUCK out of him. He and spoke and mapicc need to go to couples therapy what the HELL is their issue #fucked up #what the fuck even
Jamato left and i dont Super mean that he killed mapicc but well. you can see my point.
hear me out "partner in crime" by elio mei as devious duo
"truly something must be wrong with me, to need you as much as i do"
"i'm 'bout to die, yet the only thing that i'm worried about is you"
"i'm just a pawn in your game, not your partner in crime" (- mapicc about spoke)
um..... thats all... i have more if you want to hmo....
This is how i find out the artist is transmasc LMAOOO
When you’re gone I feel alone again
The voices cannot hold my hand
They keep me company at very best
Distract me from my loneliness
spoek needs mapicc to stay alive, its been recited over and over and overrrrrrrrrr OVER AND OVER. And his own thoughts keep company (at very best). Distract him from his loneliness. Because, due to the mental illness as it is rn, spoke cant keep himself stable. (he def could keep himself stable if he wasnt in such a stressful environment that pushed him to be like this btw)
Maybe I’m just an anomaly
Even my demons have their families
Fundies diffies... he thinks hes seperate from every other thing.. HIS DEMONS = MAJROSE... now hear me out.... Rose and her family... ash had squiddo/copper.... mapicc is good at making friends too...... jamato has. null??? maybe?? idk if jamato counts
Truly something must be wrong with me
To need you as much as I do
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fundies diffies!!! And he feels horrible for needing mapicc so much..... AND!! Mapicc feels so weird for needing spoke so muhc (spoke=purpose) even after the truth comes out
The repeating over and over of "i was never meant to win.." esp with the like deranged laughter and then "SHUT UP" is soooo spokies trying to keep his 'bad' thoughts out. Bad in quotes because sometimes the thoughts are "I want connection" and sometimes they're "lets kill an innocent". He can't tell the differnece. :(.
Here’s the reigns
Take ahold of me
Please don’t let me go
You do the talking
Sеw up my mouth if I can’t keep it closed
OKAY. Okay. OKAYYYYOKAYYKOYKEOYK k so like spoke kind of. When he's more depressive than manic, he hands himself over to mapicc. in his brain, mapicc knows how to be a person. he... i dont know if its trust. He believes mapicc (/religious). "Please dont let me go" like he knows, when he's less manic, that he is so far. He think he's too far gone to even be saved <- that thoguht is also kind of the thing that keeps preventing him from being saved. This section is just how much he allows mapicc to take over him.
ITS ALSO!!! Mapicc lets spoke control him, but less in a desperate way and more of an "i trust and love you and will be your guard dog" way. The last two lines.. soemthing abt mapicc letting spoke do the lying...
okay. This whole part is mapicc consistently getting the scrutiny off of spoke. like. This is mapicc guard dog. He kills people for spoke. mapicc isnt innocent by a long shot. But for ALL that he sacrifices and does for spoke, spoke still "leaves him hanging at the station". spoke leaves. "but youll be back for me soon" like spoke will be back right... even though he knows its not true. and then it just progresses and spoke knocks him into the void and as mapicc falls he just thinks about spoke.
AND!! from spokes perspective, he takes scrutiny off of mapicc too! He'll MURDER for mapicc (my best friend died episode). He'll blow up capital city with hunger/love in his eyes because he needs mapicc. he calls that need "love".
and mapicc leaves spoke alone in the area where he pops spokes totem, and all of spokes lies get revealed. he leaves spoke. spoke goes in the maze. Spoke tells himsef "mapicc will be back mapicc HAS to be back" even when he doesnt believe it. "im bout to die yet the only thing im worried abt is u" bc he nearly kills himself and its for mapicc. he needs mapicc. "something tells me you arent coming, guess that im truly doomed!" as he realizes it all. And the last section is what spoke thinks as he jumps right before landing in a pixel of water.
I overhear your brain when it’s close to mine
Oh, I know that we’re not the same
My heart’s on the line
I’m just a pawn in your game
Not your partner in crime
the overhearing brains things... theyre so close god it hurts. mapicc knows spoke better than anyone. Better tahn anyone better than anyone better than anyone. It doesnt end up saving him.
Youre so right about the pawn thing UghHHHGHGHGH. Mapicc puts his Everything into spoke, his heart is on the line and he doesnt mind it until its revealed that spoke is a traitor. Mapiccs just a pawn. and hes been okay being a pawn because he loved spoke but... but now......
Theyre steadily killing each other. over two years, they slowly kill each other. (rocks slowly back and forth)
[You’re slowly killing me
And yet I don’t mind (You were never meant to win)
You’re slowly killing me
But please, take your time
yeah. not much to say. yeah. there's love there.]
EDIT : SORRY MY LAPTOP WAS GLITH ING THIS POSTED B4 IT WAS SUPPOSED TO. My response rec is A Cat’s Demise (with the context of the prev song in the album) by LAUSSE THE CAT its devious and mapicc breaking spoke apart
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HAAAAA Skiter what are you DOING to me 😭😭 I'm actually obsessed with your Player Centers headcanon (??). It's SOOOOO interesting and now I desperately wanna read a fic built around ittttt 😭😭 like REALLY badly. What am I supposed to do now... it's completely lodged itself in my brain.
Massive respect to you for coming up with such incredible analyses of characters as complicated as Spoke. Seriously.Thank u
is this rowan or a mystery person.. WHOEEVR YOU ARE YESSS THANK YOUUU >.< I actually have a fic around it... spoke tries to kill himself by tearing apart his own code-- most players cant access their own code. jamatop is a codeholder which is explained in my fnafic abt instincts. snippets
^jamato
^planet
^mape
thank you than kyou AHASHYFAGHJSFAKF its because im mentally ill abut sppoe
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from 🌟 anon- long post ahead. i’m the yap city mayor ig. i’ve sat here scrolling through all the song asks and wow. guys we’re all Insane in the same way isn’t that beautiful. if we’re doing spoke songs… i’m your man by mitski. oh spoke you’re so deeply tragic. “you’re an angel, i’m a dog / or you’re a dog and i’m your man / you believe me like a god / i’ll destroy you like i am” devious duo ☹️ (falls over and dies) i think spoke has both a superiority and inferiority complex that he switches between constantly. like he perceives himself to be above everyone in canon that let him down/didn’t help him in purgatory. ik you’re not super caught up in the lore but we def see this in spoke’s latest vid with minute. but in your fics spoke just feels so inferior to mapicc. especially the ending of What I Am Not, i really get the feeling that mapicc is this huge shining star while spoke is the surrounding darkness in comparison. black hole mention. and mapicc believes in spoke so much that it leads to his “death” (shh i’m coping mape is alive trust) LIKE the way mape tries to be mad at spoke in purgatory but it’s more *convenient* for them to be allies so they can get out (biggest cope ever mape you love that guy) but mapicc never does. he never gets out. of purgatory or this beautiful awful friendship. like do you think he’s chilling in the underworld thinking about how he wishes he just tried to escape on his own. skiter do you think mapicc misses spoke down there. “i’m sorry i’m the one you love / no one will ever love me like you again / so when you leave me, i should die / i deserve it, don’t i?” like ugh. UGH. again, the inferiority complex. spoke’s suicide attempt in the maze when he jumps off the top and almost misses the water at the bottom. all because mapicc left him. and because jamato exposed his lies. and no one will ever love spoke like that again!!! it’s not that mapicc excused spoke’s bad behavior, it’s that he loved him enough to look past it (until he couldn’t, anyway). it actually breaks my heart to imagine mapicc sitting alone in the underworld thinking spoke never loved him.
and because i’m feeling generous, a bonus! “if i leave” by mitski. “but nobody else could forgive me / quite as often as you” and “but nobody else could see me / quite as clearly as you” and “but who else could love me / quite as kindly as you?” oh my devious. spoke wants to be forgiven and seen and loved and he wants mapicc to do all of those things. but mapicc’s patience only goes so far. also spoke is a black hole!!! “i ride through a tunnel / and it’s dark the whole way” and “it’s been dark the whole way” and “it’s still dark the whole way” because there’s no light at the end of the tunnel for him, especially now that mapicc is gone. spoke is just swallowing up everything he thinks will fill the void.
i have a question for u skiter,, in the post where someone mentioned vampire by olivia rodrigo you said spoke Cannot love mapicc. like he tries to love ppl normally but because spoke believes himself to be funsies diffsies (love that phrase) he won’t let himself love ppl how he Actually can. and like completely avoiding the neurodivergent implications there, i struggle to imagine a world where that’s true. i think there’s love there, but it’s hidden under a million layers of Need and also it’s a fucked up kind of love that looks very different. like we all know spoke goes insane when mapicc isn’t around, and spoke Needs a tether to reality in a sense, someone to hold him accountable, and that’s why the whole null thing is inevitably going to end in disaster. like null are all yes-men, entirely removed from society and solely reliant on their leader, which happens to be spoke, who is the last person anyone should be relying on. the point is, the Need disguises the love from everyone: spoke, mapicc, the audience. and spoke is selfish, and calculating, and insecure and it affects his ability to love the Normal way, which you covered. obviously we could just disagree on this, and we’re all entitled to our opinions, so this isn’t me trying to change your mind or anything. but in his own twisted way, i think spoke does love mapicc. where do you think the love is? does it even exist? does spoke know it exists? does mapicc know it exists?
also thank you for the lfstl recs!!! you’re actually a lifesaver icl i had no idea where to start. and happy 300 :))) thank u for reading my spoke slop
Dude rowan youre not gonna beLIEVE what song rec i just posted my other moot sunfrights suggested THE SAME SONGGG. We’re all so unwell its badddd.
Yeah. yeah. yeah. WAHHHHHH That line is SO THEM DUDE RHAGRAGRA i genuinely think abt it so ofgten while wiritng fic its like. its baddd.
i think spoke has both a superiority and inferiority complex that he switches between constantly.
YOURE GONNA LOVE THIS.
SPOKE THESIS GO!!! I always refer to this as the spoke thesis because it's like, the coire of his character. Spoke needs to be Good, because if he isn't good, then he everyone will leave him. and then for so long he needed to be Good that being Good just became his whole identity in his head. BUT AT THE SMAE TIME he hates himself and thinks he's evil <-thats what makes him self isolate usually. "if im not Good, then im not a person. i dont deserve to live if im not Good" so he goes to extremes to justify to himself that he's Good, and this is just delusions (medical delusions). Because he like. like he kills rose and tries to convince himself that it was good. The post majrose thing with infiltration quartet is so beautiful to me becuase spoke comes clean to mapicc, and mapicc guides spoke into realizing that hes allowed to make mistakes. [also on the mistakes thing, spoke when he is trying to convince himself that he's good will go 'man i just made a bunch of past mistakes but its chill now' like she can never pick a happy medium its always leaning way too far one way. #mentallyill]
but in your fics spoke just feels so inferior to mapicc. especially the ending of What I Am Not, i really get the feeling that mapicc is this huge shining star while spoke is the surrounding darkness in comparison.
OH BOY YOURE GIVING ME SOMETHING TO TALK ABOTU. ive said it many times, ill say it agian, mapicc loves spoke like a god loves their only follower. he wants the best for spoke, he loves spoke. and spoke feels like dirt on the street when compared to mapicc. spokes delusions, in What I Am Not, have shifted away from the "i need to be Good or else im less than human" and into healing. His delusions are less intense, but still there. healing isn't fast. Because in uu, spoke thinks that mapicc is an angel. mapicc is Good. So once the need to be Good has been mostly addressed and delt with, they're left with a vaguely unhealthy devotion. I don't think anyone realized how insane it was that spoke believed(/religious) mapicc enough that he loved himself. Mapicc told spoke "love yourself" and spoke Did It. That's insane. that's absolutely ridiculous and not how normal people works and yeah it's good that spoke loves himself but that's fucking insane that spoke is devoted to mapicc like that. anywya. ya.
MAPICC BELIEVES IN SPOKE SO MUCH THAT IT KILLS HIM. yeah. Yeah. I said this last post too but the fact that spoke loves mapicc is what dooms mapicc. its what kills him.
DUDE YES :M<APOPO LMAOOOOA ALAMOO mapicc is liek "we'll just work together until we're out... i dont car abt you.." mapicc pls girl this is abusive. mapicc ur an abuse victim PLEASE run. It's a little funny but its also so so so so sad because fuckkkkk what can you do? Wht can you do? UGH! And then he never gets out. and hes trapped forever. YES I FUCKING THINK THAT ROWAN YES I THINK THAT SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP as mapicc drops in the void, to what he thinks is his death (hes alive) his 'last' thoughts are about spoke. He wants to hate spoke, but he know it's all love. he knows he loves spoke. spoke is horrible and fucked up and mapicc loves him. I don't... it's like. okay. if my abuser is like, 93% of the last two years of my life, and then suddenly im dropped somewhere where all my senses are deprived and i cant interact with anything but my own thgouhts... i mean im gonna think about my abuser. It's complicated! I don't think mapicc wants spoke back, but he just doesnt know what else to want. do you get it. he misses spoke but he doesnt actually. he yearns.
“i’m sorry i’m the one you love / no one will ever love me like you again / so when you leave me, i should die / i deserve it, don’t i?” like ugh. UGH. again, the inferiority complex. spoke’s suicide attempt in the maze when he jumps off the top and almost misses the water at the bottom. all because mapicc left him. and because jamato exposed his lies. and no one will ever love spoke like that again!!!
yep yep yep. i wouldnt personally call that a suciide attempt like some of his other stuff because he didn't intend to die, but he was 100% considering it yall see how close he was... mmm maybe it was and he was leaving it up to fate to decide if he got to live.. i dont remember how much middair positioning he did.... But it was at the very least like 50% an attempt. I'm only hesitant to call it because that feels very like confining? Like its too messy to be cleanly cut like that imo. AND YES YES YES EVERYTHING ELSE YES. no one will EVER love spoke like that again ever ever ever. mapicc was it.
it’s not that mapicc excused spoke’s bad behavior, it’s that he loved him enough to look past it (until he couldn’t, anyway). it actually breaks my heart to imagine mapicc sitting alone in the underworld thinking spoke never loved him.
^this goes with the last thing. mapicc was the only one who stayed. No one else is gonna do that for spoke. No one's saying it was healthy for mapicc (unhealthy ass duo) but mapicc was like. THE only thing holding spoke back, and then he became not enough. It's like. Cuz he was keeping spoke mostly in check right, but then when he came back from being captured by null, its like. Okay, for the past two years mapicc has been reeling spoke in like a leashed animal and theyre equally matched for the most part so the leash stays at a solid six feet of distance. but then mapicc gets captured and cant fight spoke pulling on the leash, so spoke pulls, used to mapicc pulling him back, but there's nothing there. like playing tug of war with all your might and then the other person lets go and you fall on your ass
and dont even bring up the underworld. god. mapicc loves spoke. loves him so much.
"a bonus" and then u kill me
This is so spoke's feeling of inaddquacy. inadequicy. inadequacy. inadequacy. girl what. sorry u get it this is spoek feeling like not enough. "somebody else will love You, but no one could [love] Me". I've gotten so many asks that i don't remember who this was sorry but someone brought up how insecure spoke is and how little he seems to trust mapicc when mapicc has proven his devotion over and over. Like when hes talking to jamatos grave and goes "You really thought mapicc would leave me.. and you almost got him to!" when there's really no world where mapicc willingly seperates himself from spoke like that. he would argue maybe and push spoke and leave for a little bit at max but he'd always return. and spoke doesnt trust him, still. Spoke is so caught up with his "im horrible. im the worst." that he doesn't conisder that mapicc lvoes him. spoke is so bad at love.
also "forgive" as Love yurp thats spokes god he gives confiteors to.
no one klnows spoke like mapicc does. maybe thats part of why he feels so insufficient in comparison to mapicc. Mapicc knows every worst part of him, but spoke just knows mapicc as an angel.
If I leave, somebody else will find you
But nobody else could see me
Quite as clearly as you (You, you)
Only you know, I've let only you know
THAT LAST LINE. OW??? i've let only you know.... spoke has no one else. he cannot see beyond it /ref. AGAIN, no one KNOWS spoke like mapicc does. Nobody nobody. You aren't listening. nobody. nobody nobody. mapicc is all spoke has, mapicc is his entire world. Mapicc is the endling of a species that spoke depends on or his food chain collapses. Mapicc is the only one (only one! Not jamato not ash not minute not jumper not anybody but mapicc) who can see spoke this clearly. And even then, he doesn't see it all. spoke is lonely, to say the least
(rocks slowly back and forth) ohhhhhhhh
How I ride through a tunnel
And it's dark the whole way
I ride through a tunnel
It's been dark the whole way
I ride through a tunnеl
It's still dark the whole way
Yeah youre right. spoke hole theory :pensive: Spoke just doesnt ever have goals i think like. mapicc was the goal holder. mapicc held a lot of things for spoke, and he corrected spokes vision towards their goal of staying alive and staying in love. But without mapicc spoke thinks it's beenn dark the whole way because he keeps looking at the walls of the tunnel instead of the ending. and even then, the light at the end of it seems so far and behind so so many turns. Spoke doesnt know that he can be saved.
Mapicc. Is. All. Spoke. Has.
FANTASY DISABILITY SPOKE!!! Yes it's an allegory for mental illness. okay i dunno if i misexplained or something but spoke like. okay for our purposes theres two versions of love. The standard, stereotypical love that encompasses platonic romantic sexaul-- actually. ill draw it. hang on
^This is how most people see love, this is the "normal"
^further explanation
notice how theyre all contained in pretty circles. This is because Player Centers hold and divide these things. It might sometimes feel vague what a relationship is, but deep down and codally (code-aly) their code(soul??body??) knows how they view the relationship. These can also shift and change and they're fluid, but they are still in these sections. And you might wonder, well what is beyond platonic?? what is to the left of my chart? Outside the circles? Well.
[innaccurate bc its 2d and i cant fold the model]
^Spoke is disabled. He literally has a different capacity than the normal. This happens because. Okay. The Universe makes a player, and their codal anatomy is standardized and relatively uniform; the code that holds their likes is next to the code that makes them happy. Spoke is what we call a self constructed player, basically a c-section universe birth. The Universe makes Players and it makes them with love, imbuess them with the truth of the End Poem and teaches them how to love and how to speak and people are just made with these things. Self constructed Players make themselves, and, depending what level of done they were when they broke away from the universe, they don't have the blueprints for the rest of themself. In Spoke's case, he has solid like, biology and stuff. He has a species (riftangel), he has a height parameters ('parameters' bc in this world u can change parts of urself. My way to explain skins), his body knows what shape to be. For the most part. Everything beyond that is fuzzy. The first ones and zeroes that made SpokeIsHere had to figure out what he needed and where to put thiings, so spoke doesn't have all the fancy tech that his friends do. he doesn't have mostly distinct sections of platonic romantic sexual, he doesn't have the standard and defined groups of love, because the Universe did not create his love. He has no idea how to handle it. He's special, unique, and no one has ever had the exact parameters of love that he does.
Okay. So, you ask "why can't spoke love mapicc? Where do you think the love is, if it exists? Does spoke know it exists? Does mapicc?" and these are AMAZING QUESTIONS AND I LOVE YOU.
Spoke is... hm. he's complex. he's hard. He thinks himself to be so different from every other thing because, on some level, he is.
He doesn't have the truth of the End Poem, because the Universe didn't get to imbue him with it. On some level, spoke is different, but the issue arises when he thinks that because he is different, he is bad. he thinks bc he's fundies diffies, he is seperate from the rest of the Universe. He thinks he's alone.
He is not alone. He is not seperate from every other thing.
Just because the Universe didn't get to tell him this doesn't mean it isn't true. The Universe loves Spoke, because he is love. He and his unique parameters,, are love. He is love. He is loved, and he can love others.
Spoke struggles to love mapicc, because he's attempting to speak a language he doesn't know. He's trying to love mapicc in the standard way, when he can only love mapicc in SpokeIsHere's way. Spoke can love mapicc. he does, in fact! But he's so caught up trying to flatten his 4d experience into 3d that he doesn't realize it. Spoke thinks that he is so wretchedly different, but the truth is that he's just.. different. There's no moral value to being different. In my opinion, it's fascinating but that's because im aroace and weird about love.
SO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me finally answer your questions.
Where do you think the love is?
I think spoke has tried very hard to bury anything he thinks is Different. capital d because different is BAD AHH!!
has tried to bury the difference so much so that he has actually squished himself down. Pretend that the little tail is going like upwards to symbolize consumption and intimacy. I wish i has a 3d model but alas
the love is there. but its underneath a lot of societal pressures that spoke has half forced on himself. jamatop and ashswag are ABLEIST for telling him he was meant to be a villain /silly but there's like a modicum of truth there
Does the love even exist?
Does spoke know it exists?
On some layer of himself, yeah. he knows the true form of his love deep down in his code. But he's fabricated a version so well to himself that he is profoundly aware of always that he's neglected that version. You know how the body keeps the score? Spoke's body knows how to love. His body is the one that made him love like this, after all. It keeps track of the parameters and ignores his pleas to be normal. But Spoke, the soul part of him, doesn't really know the true like, bounds of his love. Becuase it's amazing. He has so much lovespace in him and he's blocking it off from being filled
Does mapicc know it exists?
This is interesting. No. Simple answer, no. Mapicc hasnt heard of self constructed players, he can only really comprehend spoke's love in terms of the universes blueprint, because he has yet to realize there is more. I headcanon a buncha shit idk if u know what lorelocks are but basically mapicc and spoke dont remember anything outside of uu until theyve left uu, which they cant do until they lose their attachments. Offserver, off of uu, lifesteal mape knows about self constructed players, and he lets spoke love him in wtvr way spoke needs. most lifestealers do. But uu mape just doesnt know.
uu mape thought that spoke loved him in the universe blueprint's way, but he isnt sure. Becuase to him, lying is a very very clear sign of hate and being enemies. So he isn't sure. He doesn't know. It's very conflicting. He misses spoke.
Yw for lifesteal recs ^_^ HAPPY 300 :TADA: yayyy win for me!! Dude. thank you for this oppurtunity to rant i hope i didnt overwhelm you :sob: our wonderful spoke slop