What do you think about Dean and Lucifer and the bond they have with Sam?
Dean is Sam's brother and in his mind Sam's keeper, he doesn't like it when Sam lies to him or doesn't share everything with him, Sam doesn't tell him everything, and he's bothered/frightened when Sam leaves him. But Lucifer spent years with Sam, more than Sam and Dean could ever spend together, Sam was made for him and he was in his head, hallucinating and reminding him of his destiny.
Who knows Sam best? Would Dean lose his mind if he found out that someone else was spending more time with Sam? How do you think he would deal with the fact that Sam's existence is set up to belong to someone else?
"sam's existence is set up to belong to someone else" thanks anon I'll be thinking about this all day now
im actually unsure which angle to approach this one from so I'll answer the questions first
- controversial answer, neither of them. on the surface, yes lucifer knows sam best by the virtue that he has been inside the physical body and mind that makes sam. he understands sam because they spent a long time in the same prison room.
the issue is, both dean and lucifer analyse sam using the standard of the role they want him to play.
sam to dean is brother, maybe brother and not brother. it all depends on how much sam retains qualities that make him sammy and how much he's willing to bend over for adjustment. everything he knows and understands about sam, he views it through a lens of Sammy.
sam to lucifer is a vessel and not a vessel. he understands sam's actions, motivations and reasonings through the parts he can connect with, he can understand. he understands betrayal, he understands feeling othered. significantly, lucifer is an archangel. he does not understand human nature. he cannot connect to sam on any grounds except the one's he picks at chooses.
also important to mention that these two men have a tendency to twist sam's mind around when they see him being unsure. they're both opportunistic. whenever sam speaks his mind, neither of them listen to him. they're just waiting to get their word in.
Would Dean lose his mind that someone spent more time with Sam?
- If you notice, dean doesn't ever acknowledge the time sam spent in hell in specifics. (tbf, no one does. we dont actually know if cage time lag was the same as hell time lag). dean would absolutely lose his mind if he had to confront this reality. this is a hold he can never compete with. he believes that sam's entire time in the cage was of torture and pain and perversely, i think he'd prefer that over the alternative.
he doesn't know that sam and lucifer have a level of connection. he wasn't privy to those interactions. he knows sam and lucifer spent more time, he just doesn't believe it can hold over his and sam's relationship.
.... Sam's existence is set up to belong to someone else?
- so delicious <3 so i think canonically it eased the process for him to find out about being michael's vessel, come in terms with the reality of being born for that purpose. his point of contention wasn't the claim itself, it was the idea that sam would willingly "fall into" lucifer's arm the way he "fell into" ruby's.
dean has a mile long bravado that says he can fight any branding claim off sam's skin as long as he can keep his teeth dug deep. if sam shook him off, that's how he'd lose.
But dean's experience as a vessel had also been,, highly impersonal. corporate even. if he found out about how personal sam's been with lucifer, the conversation, the seduction, yeah he'd have lost his mind.
he'd have dug up sigils to repel lucifer and inked them into every possible inch of sam's skin
he'd have castiel dig into sam's mind when he's sleeping to make sure lucifer isn't speaking to him there (the answer was yes, dean takes liberty to add double espresso shots in his coffee)
he'd never let sam go anywhere alone. the paranoia of sam sneaking off with ruby returning 10 fold
and he'd talk sam into staying in the panic room, shackled to the bed when he'd have to leave.
Ultimately, there are a number of ways we can parallel Dean and Lucifer in regards to Sam. the blatant objectification aside, both relish in knowing that sam was destined to be at their side. lucifer is gleeful, dean is righteous.
But, where Lucifer loses is that he doesn't understand one thing about Sam, that maybe even dean doesn't. but dean reaps the benefit of it. Sam chases redemption like a drug. and there is no one he feels he has wronged more than dean.
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