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The hypocrisy lies in the double standard applied to the same action-writing a fanfic-depending on who the object of desire is. If the author desires a male character for herself, it's "cringe," "embarrassing," "schizofrenia." If the author desires to see two male characters together, it's "art," "representation," "deep analysis."

But allow me to ask: what difference does it make? In both cases, the author is using characters to satisfy their own emotional and aesthetic needs. In both cases, characters may be given traits that are not true to canon. In both cases, the plot may be far removed from reality. There's only one difference: in the first scenario, a woman openly says, "I want to be desired. I want to be loved. I deserve to be fought over." And that is something society does not forgive.

In the second scenario, the woman distances herself from her own desire. She projects it onto two characters, making herself an invisible observer. This is safe. This is socially acceptable. It doesn't provoke aggression, because a woman dare not place herself at the center of her own desire. The misogyny here isn't overt - no one is shouting "I hate women." It's internalized, embedded in our cultural codes. It manifests in the fact that female desire is considered shameful by default. A woman must not want too openly. She must not imagine herself at the center of a romantic story. She must not dream of being desired and fought over. That is "indecent." That is "naive." That is "childish." But as soon as a woman stops desiring for herself and starts desiring for two characters-her work becomes "adult." Because she has ceased to be a subject. She has become a director, a cinematographer, a spectator - anything but a participant. And a participant - that is shameful. A participant is "someone who thinks she deserves love." A participant must be put in her place, mocked, and brought back down to earth.

And that is misogyny: a woman's desire must be mediated, belonging to someone else, directed at others. But not at herself. Never at herself. Why does this work in reverse?

You often hear the argument: "But Y/N fanfics are so stupid – there's always a secretary who makes her boss fall in love with her, and then it turns out the mafia is after her, and she's actually a princess." And yes, such plots exist. But the issue isn't the quality of the writing. The issue is why similar plots in shipping fanfics (where a dragon loves a vampire, and the vampire loves a werewolf, and they're all fighting for their place in the sun) don't provoke the same rejection?

Because in a shipping fanfic, a "silly plot" is just a "plot." But in a Y/N fanfic, it becomes a reason to attack the author personally. "Do you seriously think a guy that hot would ever look at you?" – this is a question never asked of a shipper. Because a shipper doesn't lay claim to anything personal. But a Y/N reader does. And for that, she is punished.

because from the outside, this reads less like “protecting immersion” and more like trying to police how women are allowed to play, write, ship, interpret, or feel.

some players self-insert. some see mc as her own character. some ship mc with the LI. some ship the LIs together. some do all of it at once, because fiction is not a locked chapel with one approved form of worship.

you are allowed to dislike li x li. you are allowed to block it, mute it, avoid it, curate your dash like the rest of us. what you are not entitled to do is decide that everyone who engages differently is ruining the genre, disrespecting the characters, or somehow less valid as a fan.

also, calling people “walls” or “cameras” because they don’t perform immersion the way you do is not some sacred defense of otome. it is just fandom hierarchy. people are allowed to play. people are allowed to ship. people are allowed to observe, self-insert, analyze, fantasize, write, and make art without asking permission from the “immersion police.”

block what you dislike. curate your space. (i cannot stress this enough).

and genuinely, why are you on tumblr if different takes on a fandom feel this intolerable to you?

tumblr is practically built on interpretation. meta, shipping, self-inserts, aus, bad takes, brilliant takes, unhinged tags, canon devotion, canon betrayal. all of it. that is the ecosystem. that is fandom.

entering a multi-interpretation fandom space and then acting personally violated because people are interpreting the material differently is strange.

your playstyle is yours. your immersion is yours. but it is not the sacred law of the genre, and everyone else is not committing some great moral trespass by enjoying fiction differently.

anyway. that is where i stand. curate, don’t crusade.

i hope you have a lovely day.

Because you also don’t know or understand the essence of the genre. With no respect for another country’s culture, you impose your own degrading fetishization—turning it into observing pairings, admiring heroines, and insisting that they become independent individuals, while pushing out self-inserts and yumejoshi as the core audience of otome. You force your own perspective and desires without taking Japanese and Chinese viewpoints into account.

Lol.

They're games made for immersion. I do self insert play too since I agree that's the whole point, character x player.

However they're also single player games. Games. Played by one person.

You're no better than the fujoshi and shipping cameras you claim to despise. You're attacking people over their preferred playstyle in games they bought with their own money. You're fighting against the air and losing.

If the littlest deviation from what you think is the right way to play makes you this upset, I recommend going to therapy. Behavioral cognitive therapy. Work on why that bothers you so much. And of course, on your xenophobia because lmao how are foreign consumers threatening the genre? All the commercial Otome we get localized are first and foremost made for you Japanese and Chinese audiences. We only get localizations of popular games in those countries.

You’re not a 'case study' expert, you're just projecting. You have to invent a miserable real life for me just to cope with the fact that you lost an argument about a otome. But the truth is, I’m perfectly happy being the heroine in my games and in my life. Meanwhile, you are literally spending your time seething over my account, typing out paragraphs of fake concern because my main character reality absolutely shatters your fragile, sidelined worldview.

Your attempts to project your 'lack of life' complexes onto me look ridiculous, considering you've plastered your profile with subaru, dante, and x reader stories. Your hypocrisy would be funny if it weren't so transparent. Since your very essence is just watching from the gutter, listen up: in real life, I’m married and have plenty of friends. As you can see, someone who is the heroine of her real life remains the heroine in her fantasies.

But someone like you is forced to remain unwanted even in her own head, never allowing yourself to imagine-not even for a second-that an ideal fictional character could love you. Like a pathetic shadow of your own self, you watch the one you like be happy with others. This is cuckoldry in its purest form. You are the one who will never be loved, and the one nobody wants. I actually feel sorry for you, to be honest. Most likely, you have zero friends and zero real-life relationships. You’re so used to being a nobody that when you’re offered a romance, you’re incapable of being anything more than an insignificant wall.

While dante from piofiore builds a relationship with player, you are not his lover; you’re just the wallpaper in his room. Therefore, cuckold is your natural state. It’s not about characters being real—it’s about the fact that you can’t even fathom a fantasy where you are needed by idealized characters, which speaks volumes about your bottom-tier self-esteem and complexes.

As for my 'whining,' it’s about a clear separation of genres so that every audience is satisfied without interfering with one another. And partly because walls like you are truly hilarious. If you want to watch couples, go watch movies and tv shows; if you want bl, play bl; but otome is a genre for yume with specific mechanics. As far as I know, you westerners have that amare' genre-I think that’s exactly where you belong. Otome is not your level.

Because you also don’t know or understand the essence of the genre. With no respect for another country’s culture, you impose your own degrading fetishization—turning it into observing pairings, admiring heroines, and insisting that they become independent individuals, while pushing out self-inserts and yumejoshi as the core audience of otome. You force your own perspective and desires without taking Japanese and Chinese viewpoints into account.

Lol.

They're games made for immersion. I do self insert play too since I agree that's the whole point, character x player.

However they're also single player games. Games. Played by one person.

You're no better than the fujoshi and shipping cameras you claim to despise. You're attacking people over their preferred playstyle in games they bought with their own money. You're fighting against the air and losing.

If the littlest deviation from what you think is the right way to play makes you this upset, I recommend going to therapy. Behavioral cognitive therapy. Work on why that bothers you so much. And of course, on your xenophobia because lmao how are foreign consumers threatening the genre? All the commercial Otome we get localized are first and foremost made for you Japanese and Chinese audiences. We only get localizations of popular games in those countries.

You’re not a 'case study' expert, you're just projecting. You have to invent a miserable real life for me just to cope with the fact that you lost an argument about a otome. But the truth is, I’m perfectly happy being the heroine in my games and in my life. Meanwhile, you are literally spending your time seething over my account, typing out paragraphs of fake concern because my main character reality absolutely shatters your fragile, sidelined worldview.

Because you also don’t know or understand the essence of the genre. With no respect for another country’s culture, you impose your own degrading fetishization—turning it into observing pairings, admiring heroines, and insisting that they become independent individuals, while pushing out self-inserts and yumejoshi as the core audience of otome. You force your own perspective and desires without taking Japanese and Chinese viewpoints into account.

Lol.

They're games made for immersion. I do self insert play too since I agree that's the whole point, character x player.

However they're also single player games. Games. Played by one person.

You're no better than the fujoshi and shipping cameras you claim to despise. You're attacking people over their preferred playstyle in games they bought with their own money. You're fighting against the air and losing.

If the littlest deviation from what you think is the right way to play makes you this upset, I recommend going to therapy. Behavioral cognitive therapy. Work on why that bothers you so much. And of course, on your xenophobia because lmao how are foreign consumers threatening the genre? All the commercial Otome we get localized are first and foremost made for you Japanese and Chinese audiences. We only get localizations of popular games in those countries.

These games are meant for selfinsert, where the MC is the player — the creators themselves make that clear. The name change option and the lack of voiced lines for the avatar should’ve been an obvious hint, honestly.

However, I agree with one thing: you specifically will never be the main character—you’ll only be watching someone else’s (ours) happiness from the sidelines as a complete nobody

You should stick to your western games. And if you want to be a camera watching ships, then call your games what they are—voyeurism over pairings—instead of misusing the word otome. Otome as a genre was originally—and has always been—built on the “me × character” formula. It’s designed for selfinsert, and the creators themselves have stated this many times.

You don’t have to buy otome games. Trust me, the genre won’t suffer. In Japan and China, yumejoshi have been supporting it for years. The way foreigners barge into a genre from another country without respect and try to reshape it around their own issues is honestly gross.

The target audience of otome games is yumejoshi, just like the audience of BL games is fujoshi. These products are made for a specific demographic—if that doesn’t suit you, go play games about watching couples or raising daughter sims instead.

You can use a keyboard with your feet, sure—but that doesn’t mean the keyboard should be redesigned for people who use their feet while ignoring those who use their hands.

And clearly, you don’t understand selfinsert at all. It honestly feels like some foreigners just have such low self-esteem that they can’t selfinsert into an otome heroine. The heroine in otome is an avatar—a costume you put on, as they say in China.

If you call yourself Jasmine or Snowflake but say, "Zayne loves MC so much" — you are not Jasmine or Snowflake. You are just a wall/camera that does not exist, and you have no right to equate yourself with those who are immersed in the game and know that the player is the main heroine.

If you call yourself Little Star but say, "Xavier deserves MC" — you are not Little Star. You are just a wall/camera that does not exist, and you have no right to equate yourself with those who are immersed in the game and know that the player is the main heroine.

If you call yourself Miss Bodyguard or Little Fish but say, "Rafayel is so funny around MC! He loves her so much" — you are not Miss Bodyguard or Little Fish. You are just a wall/camera that does not exist, and you have no right to equate yourself with those who are immersed in the game and know that the player is the main heroine.

If you call yourself Little Apple but say, "Caleb and MC have such a tragic fate, I love them so much, I want to save them from this game" — you are not Little Apple. You are just a wall/camera that does not exist, and you have no right to equate yourself with those who are immersed in the game and know that the player is the main heroine.

Don't confuse true immersion with mere observation from the sidelines. I don't want some wall/camera to think they are the same as me - someone who is truly living the story with her love interest. If you've been on a horse for one lap around the park, that doesn't make you a master of equestrian sports. You just sat in the saddle once.

These games are meant for selfinsert, where the MC is the player — the creators themselves make that clear. The name change option and the lack of voiced lines for the avatar should’ve been an obvious hint, honestly.

However, I agree with one thing: you specifically will never be the main character—you’ll only be watching someone else’s (ours) happiness from the sidelines as a complete nobody

I saw a comment that simply blew my mind. Under a video where a girl dreams of entering the world of Love and Deepspace, someone wrote: "But all the love interests will still love the MC."

What exactly does this "logic" imply? That if you were transported into the game world, you would become some no-name, random NPC, a complete outsider whom the characters wouldn’t even glance at? That they already have a "real" heroine there, and you would just walk around watching your favorite men love someone else?

If you, a real person, possessing supernatural ability, physically appear in the game world, you automatically become part of that world. You are not a ghost. You are a living person who can interact, speak, and touch. You become an active participant.

And if this world is structured so that there are characters ready for deep emotional connection, why on earth would they ignore you and love some abstract "other one"? Who is this "other one"? Where is she? She doesn’t exist. There is only you-the person who arrived in their world.

To assert that upon entering the game, you will remain a nobody to them, and their love will be directed at someone invisible and absent -this is not just the height of illogic. It is an attempt to impose a parallel reality onto the game world that exists only in the minds of those who are afraid to claim their rightful place.

Your account = your entry point: this is precisely what happens when you simply play the game. Your account is that very "entry point." It is YOU in that world. It is not a "separate personality" that you control like a puppet. It is YOUR avatar, created so that you can be there.

The game developers constantly confirm, at every level: the player is the main heroine.

The world of Love and Deepspace is structured so that every girl has her own Sylus, her own Zayne, her own Rafayel. This does not contradict the canon. This is the canon.

Just as every girl has her own account, she has her own story, her own experience, her own relationship with these characters. They are not "shared." They are unique to each individual.

Therefore, when you say "the love interests will love the MC," you fundamentally misunderstand one thing: the MC in LaDS is not a fixed character with a name and biography. It is a ROLE. And that role is played by the PLAYER.

If you are a camera/a wall for observation, then shut up, sit in your swamp, since you chose that humiliated role instead of being the main heroine. Stop writing such idiocy.

The twst fandom rlly likes to tag their "Yuu" Fics with the x reader tag but then they'll still???? Use the default name Yuu for the reader??? Do you ppl just not know what an x reader is.... You're supposed to either use a placeholder like Y/N or (name) or not give a name to the reader lmaoooo