i think Formal Training and Food Snacks As Markers for Correct Behavior can be useful for teaching dogs the skills they need to live Safely in our modern human world
but like. truly it is way too easy to end up trying to micromanage the behaviors of this fully sentient captive animal. and i fully fell into that before Realizing and i think we're still dealing with the relational fallout + resulting Weirdness about existing in the world. i got sooooooo stressed about Getting The Training Right that i fucked up the relational communication reaaaaaal bad. all the guidance i got + advice i saw + my own personal life baggage = Really Bad Puppy Raising
sorry thistle.
like theres So many pet dogs in the world and barring some few conflicts the majority of them end up Fine, even if/especially when there is no Formal Training involved. because we've evolved together!!! to be able to communicate!!! a lot of the problems that pop up are related to modern misconceptions about species specific behaviors and needs and also modern life interfering with those needs safely being met through the dog's own behaviors
but i feel like i fucked thistle up in a Fun New Unique Way. by trying to control a puppy by using food when she didnt really care about food very much and cared about freedom and agency wayyyyyyyy more. and responding to her developmentally appropriate behaviors with distress and frustration instead of support.
i hope i can help her heal the harm i caused her.
thinking more before i went back to bed but binary Clicker Style Training makes a lot of sense as a tool to use to aid husbandry of captive wild animals in zoos and stuff. you need to motivate them to make them Safer To Take Care Of without having to fully sedate them each time you need to do some kind of husbandry task. voluntary blood draws with large undomesticated animals continues to be fucking amazing. it’s a Clear simple binary system to tell an individual of a different species what you are looking for them to do. it’s bartering Behavior for Food.
i think the difference between captive zoo animals and Dogs is that no one is ethically sharing a social household with the kinds of animals kept in zoos. with some MINOR exceptions (certain tegus come to mind) (and SOME!!! parrots)
i think um. using the language of the article i’m reading, clicker style training is an useful tool when two individuals do not share a lot of natural overlap in their semiospheres. it’s a bridge to use to communicate over that gap.
but when we have the ability to interact SOCIALLY!!!!! with other human beings and with dogs. using Mark and Reward style communication and Conditioning as the Main method of intentional communication gets bad FAST when we live so intimately together.
zoo animals are doing their own things in their enclosures 90% of the time. if they’re social animals then theyre in there with conspecifics.
dogs in the modern day are in near constant contact with their human people. we NEED to be treating them like social partners, not animals to clicker train into convenience.
which. again. clicker training can be A Tool you can use for teaching a new skill. it can also be a fun game you play together. but when the scope extends beyond those contexts yeah it is a form of Control over what should be a social peer.













