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Analysis:
Maritime-Related Cults in the Coastal Cities of Philistia during the Roman Period Legacy and change by Simona Rodan. This book is mainly about ancient Palestine but chapter 2 is about Jaffa, which is actually heavily tied to Andromeda’s myth.
Early Greek Myth: A Guide to Literary and Artistic Sources by Timothy Gantz. Again, Andromeda isn’t the main focus but her chapter along with Perseus is insightful.
Brill’s Companion to Euripides, Chapter 41, Affective Attachments in Some Late Tragedies of Euripides by Francis Dunn. This chapter talks about other plays too but has some pretty insightful analysis. It’s the first time I’ve learned that Euripides Andromeda was one of the first ancient Greek plays *ever* to depict two ppl (Perseus and Andromeda) falling in love on stage.
Euripides' Escape-Tragedies: A Study of Helen, Andromeda, and Iphigenia among the Taurians by Matthew Wright. We don’t know much about Euripides Andromeda but it has some parallels to Euripides other non-lost plays, which this book analyzes.
Untangling Blackness in Greek Antiquity by Sarah F. Derbew. This book doesn’t talk much about Andromeda but it’s great for ppl who want to know more about blackness in antiquity.
Retellings (that are actually good):
Andromeda Unfettered by Muriel Stuart
Perseus (1973)
Aphrodite’s Blessings by Clemence McLaren
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I think Nolan’s Odyssey is yet another example of why color blind casting is a bad idea and how it can straight up circle back to being racist. Like Nolan casts a black Helen, then has her getting her face scarred by her white husband as punishment (mind you NONE of this happens in mythology), is that not insane? Is that not racist?
Same energy with retellings that make Andromeda black only to make Perseus an abuser, yet that same retelling would still get praised for its racial representation.
& honestly there's no debate to be had the zendaya earrings are orders of magnitude worse than kim kardashian wearing that marilyn dress. yes that piece was a one of a kind unique textile made so specifically for marilyn monroe she had to be sewn into it. at the end of the day it was a ~70 year old usamerican cultural artefact being repurposed by an american for an american cultural event and everyone involved knows exactly where the dress came from + what happened to it + where it went afterwards. zendaya is wearing the looted (or forged) cultural heritage of a people her government is currently bombing & whose lives they have been deliberately making unliveable for decades to a movie premiere that has fuck all to do with iran. we don't know where those discs came from where they were found or by whom & we never will. AND the jeweller appears to have altered them substantially from their original condition. destroying a people's cultural heritage at the same time you destroy their country + their lives so you can look good on a red carpet One Time i want to fucking hurl
The earrings, worn by Zendaya at The Odyssey press tour, are believed to be 2,000-3,000 years old and come at a time when the US is bombing
An archaeologist quoted in the article says "the point of these earrings is not to showcase legitimate ancient artistry, it is to fetishize the past, to be a commodity, stolen from the elite, circulated illegally, and immorally…this is about class signalling."
Priam and Hecuba saw Helene with Paris and marveled that she had such beauty. They inquired of her who she was, of what parentage. [...] So Hecuba embraced her, kissed her, and held her in high esteem.
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She might be the most multifaceted character in mythology, every little aspect of her character and story is ever so slightly different depending on the source, and even those little details change her character so much.
Sometimes she chose to marry Menelaus, sometimes she doesn’t. Sometimes she went with Paris willingly, sometimes she’s kidnapped. Sometimes she has a fertility problem and has only one daughter sometimes she doesn’t and has multiple children. Sometimes she loves Paris sometimes she doesn’t. Sometimes she’s a seductress sometimes she isn’t. Sometimes she isn’t even in Troy but in some other place. Even her death myth has so many variations, sometimes she becomes a goddess sometimes she doesn’t. Every time I think I understand her character I learn more and realize I don’t understand her at all.
Nolan’s Odyssey thoughts. I brought in a notebook and filled 9.5 pages of scribbled thoughts throughout the three hours I was suffering. I hated this movie and I really tried to go into it with an open mind as much as possible and damn it really sucks. This movie really put the no in nostos.
(obviously spoilers ahead)
Random big thoughts
This movie felt like it was made for high school English teachers to show but then 95% of the way through making it, they were like actually nevermind and added in some f-bombs and a few (like 2-3 nonsexual nudity) shots of asses to solve the problem.
Odysseus hates the gods and at times barely believes in them, but also refuses to push back against anything that could be seen as a prophecy. It’s so fucking weird because it’s equivalent to a modern atheist being like “Christianity is dumb and probably a crock of bullshit, also don’t lie because it’s a sin and God will be mad”.
I wrote this down verbatim, “An Odysseus that hesitates about returning to Ithaca is like the sun hesitating to rise” and I do believe I cooked with that. Same is true with a Penelope that doubts Odysseus and a Telemachus that doesn’t need a father, which this movie has.
Here’s the thing, up until Odysseus lands in Ithaca, the movie is fine. It isn’t good, it isn’t horrific, it’s a little cringe and a little irritating for me as an enjoyer of the Odyssey, but it wasn’t bad. If I turned off my brain from know-it-all Greek mythology enjoyer Asha to action movie enjoyer Asha, I think I could have had a decent time. However, it all falls apart when Odysseus returns home, any ounce of characterization is crushed to bits and it just sucks and makes no sense. Reminder, I honestly enjoyed the Troy: Fall of a City miniseries so accuracy is not always my hill to die on but god, I would like the hill to at least be in eyesight.
Random little thoughts (in no order)
UGLYYYYYYY ass costumes like I knew they were bad but it’s such an eyesore. There was not a single outfit that I was like “that looks nice”.
This is one of the first movies I’ve ever seen where I wanted MORE gore and MORE things that made me sick to my stomach. Like, show me Odysseus’s men starving, show me blood spraying down when men are taken by Scylla, show me more soldiers drowning.
They massacred the characterization of every woman (fork found in kitchen, Nolan can’t write women, but still)
There’s a lot of things in this film that changing from poem to movie was pointless. My most memorable example of this being that Eumaeus is visually impaired, Eumaeus also at one point says Odysseus was like a son to him. These aren’t huge deals and don’t affect the plot but to those amongst us who enjoy the Odyssey, it’s just annoying.
Iphigenia is sacrificed by Agamemnon before Odysseus leaves Ithaca?????????
There’s a lot of time and plot spent centered on Argos (yeah the dog).
Odysseus only has 3 ships the whole film, holyyyyy budget cuts.
On Calypso’s island, Odysseus forgets everything because she keeps drugging him with lotus flowers. He doesn’t remember how he got to her island, doesn’t remember his family or Ithaca until she like… weans him off and he starts to remember that. He basically feels none of the time pass.
Half of Helen’s face is physically scarred from the Trojan War, it’s implied that Menelaus mutilated her. There’s a disgusting line where Menelaus says, “this is the face that launched a thousand ships, although now it would maybe be five-hundred.” GROSS
The Laestrygonians look like cybermen and no I will not elaborate.
There is a scene where Athena’s temple is destroyed in Troy and it’s implied that whatever happens to the temple, happens to the god. (like a soldier wacks off Athena’s statue’s head, it switches to a scene of Athena being held down and nearly decapitated) It’s a neat idea but in a movie where the gods are ridiculed by the main character, it just doesn’t work.
No Achilles or Anticleia in the underworld SIGHHH
No Nestor or Peisistratus SIGGGGGHHHHHH they hate to see yappers represented.
Telemachus and Odysseus’s reunion is so ass, like there’s no bout of emotional resonance at all, they’re two worlds apart.
Telemachus sucks as a character Tom Holland you are British how did you make Telemachus so fucking American. No one talk to me about Telemachus he sucked so fucking bad in this movie.
No wedding bed anything insane and might I add fucking crazy. Again, this is classic Odyssey stuff.
At the end of the movie, Odysseus and Penelope travel west(?) and leave Telemachus as king of Ithaca, to honor the fallen soldiers. This is the Greek mythology equivalent of retired American couples moving to Florida I think.
The Cyclops
The cyclops doesn’t speak to Odysseus (the men don’t even know it’s a sentient being until after they stab it in the eye) which means we get no “Nobody” scene which is already a travesty because I fear that’s classic Odysseus. And I do feel like the cyclops being more of a monster ruins the whole point of it being about breaking xenia. If Polyphemus is just an unnamed monster, what makes him any different from Scylla or Charybdis???
Small thing to be pissy about but to get past the cyclops they tied hay to their back instead of hanging from the bellies of the sheep.
We also get no scene of hubris from Odysseus, again this is classic Odysseus.
The Suitors
Antinous called beggar Odysseus a “platelicker” and then after a few times I swear on my life he said “platelicka” it was insane and I wish I was joking
This movie creates a lot of Antinous lore that I think is fairly unnecessary since Antinous already had lore (Eupiethes’s pirate background) but let me explain the Antinous lore to the best of my memory.
So Odysseus holds a lottery for his army. A young Antinous and a younger Sinon draw lots and Antinous draws the lot that indicates he will fight. Sinon, maybe 13 years old, swaps their lots because he wants to go to war with Odysseus. Antinous (probably 16-18 years old) tries to protest but Odysseus won’t let them change back. Antinous interprets this as “Odysseus knew he might not come back and wanted me to be in charge of Ithaca”.
Penelope is in the hall right before Odysseus starts killing, inaccurate but why I mention this here is because she doesn’t let Melantho come with the women to safety. She leaves her in the hall to die in the slaughter. Now if you know me you know I am an Melantho ENJOYER and so I hate to see my girl done badly (maybe the Melantho shit will be it’s own rant).
Antinous x Melantho I CALLED THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT A YEAR AGO
In the end, Odysseus doesn’t kill all the suitors (although he does kill Antinous). Insane because to make things right in Ithaca Odysseus HAS to kill the suitors. It’s the reason that he kills the 12 disloyal maids in the poem because if they live, they represent his own failures blah blah blah whatever I hate it here.
The gods (or lack of)
Athena is the only god with form we see and I’m going to be real honest with you, I didn’t have the brain power to try to figure out what was going on with her.
Zeus does destroy the ship after the sun god’s cows thing and let me just say if you can’t handle flashing lights this is not ur film because the lightning goes CRAZY and not in a good interesting way but in a “my retinas are burned out” way.
No Hermes and no Aeolus sorry my plot scaffolding kings.
“Asha, did you like anything in this movie?”
Probably surprising but yes. When Odysseus’s men are turned to pigs by Circe, she has to physically mold them from man to pigs so she like… rips their hair out and pulls their ears and pushes up their noses until they turn to pigs which was so fucking fascinating to me. I hated the Circe scenes with her and Odysseus but goddamn Nolan you cooked with that body horror. Like, if the ending of this movie wasn’t hot garbage I would recommend it for that scene alone.
I also thought the scenes pre-Trojan war in Ithaca were cute, newlywed OdyPen and Odysseus being like a father figure to the younger men of Ithaca (maybe 2 mins of screen time altogether, not much to write home about but I enjoyed the scraps we got).
Soundtrack was good occasionally
That’s all I wanna write about for now. Who wants to start a GoFundMe for Homer to get a gun and a time machine to kill Nolan?
What the fuck do you mean that Nolan’s Odyssey has Menelaus scarring Helen’s face and he said something like now that face won’t launch a 1000 ship but 500 what the actual fuck Nolan?? Did Helen not suffer through enough? Was myth Menelaus almost killing Helen only to change his mind due to Aphrodite’s influence not already uncomfortable enough?
I thought the fact he used an Odyssey translation by a woman would mean he’d backtrack on the preexisting misogyny of the poem but no he actually adds to the misogyny. Nolan’s never beating the ‘can’t write women’ allegations.
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Yet another retelling that deviates so much from the mythology it should’ve just been an original story lol
And such a generic Medusa design too, I’ve seen millions just like it, I’ve seen so many ppl design Medusa with alt fashion that it’s not really… alt anymore lol. And why do ppl always make Medusa green? The oldest colorful depictions of her were Roman mosaics and while they did depict her as beautiful they usually had a variety of earthy colors not just green.
Yet another retelling that deviates so much from the mythology it should’ve just been an original story lol
And such a generic Medusa design too, I’ve seen millions just like it, I’ve seen so many ppl design Medusa with alt fashion that it’s not really… alt anymore lol. And why do ppl always make Medusa green? The oldest colorful depictions of her were Roman mosaics and while they did depict her as beautiful they usually had a variety of earthy colors not just green.
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i know pjo canon is dubious about mythological accuracy but the idea of these 6 as teenagers at a summer camp together is frying me. do you think aeneas and achilles ever went YOOOO 🫵 THAT'S MY FRIEND FROM CAMP on the battlefield