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-About whether anything would change if Samarie were a man: I think it would be a different crowd, but people would still be making excuses for him and downplaying his actions because forgiving dudes is the most fandom thing to do ever. I mean, Pav is one of the most popular characters, and that's the kind of treatment he gets. I can see there being more of a pushback against Samarina, but it's debatable speculation I won't go further on about cuz it's a bit pointless.

-There's also people that don't like Samarina because it is toxic and I think that's fine. I personally don't have any issues with it when it's written the way it is in canon, even if I have no interest in it. It is a toxic pairing and I have my own toxic pairings that I like. It turns upsetting when the most basic fandom portrayals of Samarina are turning it into a non-toxic cute ship where Marina loses all of her in-game personnality to facilitate the relationship and Samarie gets woobified OR making Marina the abuser and Samarie gets woobified again.

-The reason I brought up Olivia/Marina was because if someone's looking for a cute ship, why are they removing the fucked up parts from the fucked up ship instead of shipping something that already has a chiller premise? The second reason was that hyper specific time someone brushed off complaints about Samarina saying it was the only wlw ship ingame. I don't think everyone that likes Samarina should be on Olivia/Marina instead especially if it's not to their taste, it was brought up with a specific context in mind.

-I can't give much insight about what is THE correct way to write Samarina, I gave up on the ship long time ago. It seems to me like a herculean task: Marina has way too much self respect for this (See her ending B, she's not even giving her a chance for friendship then. Marina doesn't even hate her, that's too strong of an emotion and she's not that invested. She's more annoyed at her existence and the fact she has to deal with her instead of doing literally anything else. She only has given her the time of day when she was forced to.) and Samarie who has like two hours left to live and is at her worst mentally when around Marina. But as long as the character are respected I think it's fair game. There surely is a way to make it work properly, and it probably would be fun to try to come up with instead of being lazy and boom fanon Marina she loves her and forgives everything instantly. Or maybe the fact that it would never work is what needs to be extrapolated on instead. Also I do find the idea of an AU where the sexual harasser did not do sexual harassing to be in very bad taste and fun fact it has been done before with Samarina.

Genuinely.......... Samarina always has been led by people who are Samarie fans first and foremost. No wonder they excuse and minimize her actions, enforce Samarie's perspective on Marina and act like she's a prize for what she went through, ignore everything that Marina says or stands for, ect.

I think that the most aggravating example is when they try to counterbalance all the disgusting things Samarie has done to Marina by making up a scenario in which they get into a relationship but Samarie becomes the poor victim and Marina is the abusive one (She wouldn't fucking do that) because it's cool don't you love your toxic yuri with a side of victim blaming.

Or that act like Marina would/should be thankful of Samarie for killing her father...

...lol

I've seen someone say that it's the only pushed wlw ship ingame so you gotta put up with it, meanwhile in-game Marina herself says shit like "The sleeping beauty woke up" "Don't worry. I like where your head's at" "I'd never leave you behind" to Olivia within seconds of meeting her. But I guess wheelchairs are too hard to draw let's do Marina giving a cute hug to her voyeuristic sexual harasser and stalker she hates instead heart emoji heart emoji.

(edit: It all leads to a conclusion I forgot to add in my draft lol.

I have a problem with Samarina fans who swear it's toxic yuri but then go on to sanitize it until it's no longer presented as toxic AND Samarina fans who are here for cute wlw ships being cute (and confusingly are not interested in Olivia/Marina or even Abella/Karin that would be more fitting subjects instead). Both of these archetypes trivialize stalking.

Samarie is a fun freaky character whos also a freak but has fun. However, the way many SEE her with their eyes I think may not be 100% correct,,, you see, many people may have been FOOLED partially well not really into thinking samarie is this anxious scattered mess in the shape of a malnourished waif. well oh no no no because I'm about to ROCK YOUR WORLD.

Samarie seems very impacted by her environment, suggesting that the samarie we see may be almost entirely different than what we see in the game. Samarie likely has a lot going on in her mind, and acts out in the ways she does because of a couple reasons. For starters, Termina is post-apocalyptic and extremely dangerous. She'd likely be worried that Marina or she could get seriously hurt, or worse, die. Not only that, her life is quite literally withering away.

Samarie was apart Fiend Petr's Ninth Circle, which was a group of children chosen for their supernatural capabilities, and because of the fact that they basically have to communicate and whatnot with the gods for all their life they are physically weakened and have an extremely stunted lifespan. This doesn't mean that Samarie would have died instantaneously once she reached whatever age she is, however, I'm lead to believe that its a leading cause for the way she acts -- she REALLY likes marina, and cant imagine a world without her. So, of course, she does everything in her power to ensure marina and her own safety, going to lengths involving murder of marina's father in order to protect marina. Samarie dies either way at the end. Moving onto her dialog, I think an accurate portrayal of the way samarie *could* act would be the image below.

credit to @/fungerman1145 on twitter for the image above.

In her beta version, she seems to be much more confident with her beliefs, going as far as to say that Marina dresses up everyday to tease her. It feels like a much more unfiltered view of her. Not to mention its implied she seems to be able to sneak around mostly undetected. also im finishing this like an hour after in the car so im not 100% immersed in my writing so there might be some continuity errors in my writing

TLDR; Samarie is likely much less frantic and anxious and whatever whatever outside the festival of termina because she doesn't have to actively worry about her and marina's survival.

But I don’t necessarily think "Samarie isn’t being herself right now because of Marina reasons" is wrong. It’s just not that Samarie is being anxious out of benevolence or worry for Marina, it’s more so that she’s an incredibly mentally unstable person and Marina’s presence consistently triggers erratic behavior from her in general. There’s little sense we can make out of her during all the scenes in the church or when she’s spying on Marina because she’s having a manic episode at that time.

But to really answer the question of how is Samarie is usually, well it’s something we actually get to see in the game! Very specifically when Marina isn’t involved.

The first interesting scene is at the start of the game and obviously in this there’s still a little bit of that anxiety because Marina’s the subject of the discussion, but the most important point here is that Samarie knows damn well Marina doesn’t know about her. It’s only when she let’s her delusions get the better of her that she comes to think the opposite but in her usual state of mind clearly doesn’t believe it.