Caine: Hey guys I'm a complex character that also has lots of potential and interesting backstory that just wants everyone to be happy and for people to not abandon me and see me as a failure!
Pomni: YOU'RE A FAILURE!!!!
Jax: Hey I'm literally the worst person ever.
Pomni: You can always talk to me, I'm here for you.
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People who wanted Gummigoo to stay in the circus because he had gained awareness and could now be considered a person, but continued to question Caine's sentience until the very end (even when he was literally in pain screaming about not having asked for this shitty existence) are hypocrites.
What rubs me the wrong way about this is that while the cast acknowledged Caine's different way of thinking due to his nature of being an AI, they sure as hell didn't apply this fact when they were criticizing him or asking him of things.
Like, "he's an AI, we can't gauge how he thinks" when it comes to understanding him, BUT "why doesn't he just get what we mean??" when they want something from him.
Caine is a sentient/sapient highly intelligent AI, but he still needs clear instructions on some things. His understanding of what "relaxing"/"normal"/"mature" is could be very different from how the humans perceive it. So I consider it unfair when they judge someone who's basically an alien for having problems with comprehending real world concepts. Especially when they don't even try to actually explain it to him in a way that he could understand.
Hell, I'm an autistic human and I struggle with the same thing! If you want me to do something, don't be vague about it. I can't do what you want me to do unless you give me details!
Sure, the issue with Caine is also about him not listening to the others, but up until episode 8 he was still willing to cooperate on some things. He created a separate adventure for Kinger in ep 4, he stopped making horror stuff after Pomni asked him to, he was fixing Gangle's mask without her saying anything, he created games for them (like tennis/badminton stuff), he made a cafe that seems to only be for the humans, etc.
So I fully believe that communication was possible. And that Caine wasn't the only one who wasn't listening. Both parties should've put in more effort to get through to one another.
I wonder if Caine had restrictions against hurting humans and broke them during his crashout, or if he just didn't have them in the first place and him being "good" (before ep 8) was 100% his own decision
I think it's probably the latter since he was basically an unfinished draft. If Kinger and Scratch intended on restricting him at some point, they likely decided it wasn't worth it after he proved to be unstable - it was easier to just throw him away and start working on a new version.
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I genuinely don't understand what they were trying to do with Caine and Bubble (who may or may not be the blue AI).
because right after being deleted - and I'm not even gonna say anything about the deletion somehow turning out to be a bon voyage into the void - Caine looks at Bubble, who has no face anymore, and sees himself in the reflection. the implication here seems to be that Bubble was, in fact, Caine (or a part of him). and at first I thought Bubble disappeared after Caine got rid of the blue orb, but no. we don't see him again after the reflection scene.
so it's STILL not clear if was Bubble the 2nd AI or not? or if the blue just manifested through him somehow?? I don't know, maybe I'm missing the obvious, but to me it never seemed like Bubble was anything more than a personification of Caine's intrusive/negative thoughts or smth like that. he didn't behave like he was sentient or had his own desires, emotions, etc. and I definitely hadn't suspected that there's some multiple personalities stuff going on. // I like the idea of Caine being plural, I just... don't think it was portrayed well in the show, if that's what they were going for.
when Caine "switches" (not sure if it's the right word), the "alter" still talks like Caine - I was abandoned, it's my turn to have fun. but the blue AI wasn't abandoned, Caine was. so if the blue one, who's supposed to be that alter, is taking over, why does it have Caine's perspective? and why is it so angry?
also, are we really blaming Caine's instability on the blue AI?? if anything, the beginning of ep 8 showed us that Caine is the unstable one. was it just a weird attempt to absolve him of his blame for crashing out and torturing everyone? but even Caine himself acknowledges that those were his actions, not someone else's. plus, he is so much more interesting when he makes his own horrible decisions. characters don't have to be innocent to be likable and/or relatable.
ok, maaaaaybe said instability was caused by the merge itself, or by Caine having too much power because of having another AI inside of him, idk. again, doesn't make much sense cuz of ep 8 - Caine was unstable from the moment he was created.
I really, REALLY don't wanna believe that the lame "blue orb evil" theory was right this whole time. but seems like it's exactly what is being implied in the episode. why create complex characters when you can just make them have an evil alter ego that they can get rid of at any moment, amirite?
because Caine kinda just... pulls out the blue orb from his head and he's suddenly stable now????? since when is he so perfectly reasonable?
I guess we needed to see some growth, but the thing with Caine's character is that he is very reluctant to change. him just magically realizing he was wrong and deciding to give control over the circus to the players feels out of character, even more so than his ep 8 crashout.
and it's so weird how he didn't get mad or devastated after he realized they basically killed him. he didn't even know it wasn't on purpose and you're telling me he doesn't have a proper reaction to that? as a character who wanted to be loved so desperately?
I mean, I guess you could explain it as him being hopeless and/or suicidal. he did literally just try to stay in the void forever after all, before accidentally stumbling upon a wifi connection(lol, relatable). like, "they killed me, yeah, but I kinda had it coming. and I kinda made peace with death after 21 years of suffering". but still. that's just my interpretation, and I've learnt the hard way that I often see depth when there's none. TADC is the prime example of this for me. so much of what I thought was meaningful turned put to be just a joke.
at this point, more than half of what I believe its characters to be is just headcanons, partly because the show doesn't explore them well enough. and the characters that do get development, rarely get a good one.
so, long story short. what did we learn from those scenes?
1. Bubble is...???
2. The blue AI is unstable/"evil"
3. Caine had an AI version of DID this whole time??
4. He fixed it by getting the blue orb removed (he could've done it at any point before but chose not to)
so, nothing. nothing is actually confirmed, everything is still vague. contradictions to the previous episodes. very questionable message. and that's without even talking about Caine's confusing revival and rushed redemption arc.
does this make sense? it's like we only have more questions now. it's deeply unsatisfying to see.
I was rewatching ep 3 of tadc and realized that the connection between Caine and Bubble was hinted at even before that weird tongue thing happened!
obviously, Caine is talking about his own feelings here. even Zooble is like, "why would Bubble get upset if I don't go on your adventures?". to which Caine replies:
because he knows what he's doing and is aware that Zooble can see through his bullshit. he just never speaks about his feelings or opinions directly for some reason. it's always some kind of riddle.
in Caine's mind, it's basically "how do I tell them they're making me sad without telling them?", so he uses Bubble as a substitute for himself. and it makes infinitely more sense now that we know for sure that they literally share thoughts. if Caine is upset, Bubble is upset too.
actually, having Caine as my comfort character has proved to be rather useful. for example, every time I find myself relating to him more than usual I just know that I should get in touch with my psychiatrist again cuz it probably means I'm having another hypomanic episode
honestly, most fandoms are so fucking annoying and upsetting. I almost deleted my tumblr twice today because of all the controversies that are happening in tadc and gameoverse at the moment. so much misogyny and racism and shipping wars and fighting.
I just want to be blind to all this shit again (because I'm aware that those problems have always been there and it's never been okay but at least I couldn't see it before).
I want to enjoy shows and hyperfixate on characters and find comfort in escapism 'cause I live in a dictatorship and there's nowhere for me to go except online.
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do we know what this place is? it doesn't look like anything we've seen in the circus before
also, that reset looked painful. or was it a reset? it was different from how Caine did it in ep 6. I'm still curious about what the hell happened to him. like, why does he look like a puppet?
it makes sense why Caine doesn't want the players to know they can conjure (he's scared of being useless).
it makes sense why Caine doesn't allow intelligent AIs like Gummigoo to be in the circus (he's scared of being replaced).
but why doesn't he let the cast know their names? what's the point of that?
if we're assuming Caine is the one who's talking to Kinger in the code (and frankly speaking I don't see how it being anyone else would make sense for the story), then Caine knows all their names. and that Kinger's "mind was always resourceful", apparently.
escaping isn't possible, we already know they're scans from the coding scene. it probably wouldn't make a difference if they knew, right? so why hide this from them?
I could only think of three reasons:
1) humans remembering their names could somehow be inconvenient for Caine personally (reminding him of his fears, etc.);
2) wiping the players' names from their memory and giving them new ones was programmed into Caine for some reason and he had to do it;
3) it's not that deep and Caine just wanted the game that he created to have rules on anonymity like all multi-player games do.
I'm more inclined to believe it's the 3rd option, since Caine is so obsessed with following rules he made up for himself lol. (and making everyone else follow them too)
a bit off-topic but Caine creating the circus also means he wrote the terms of service for it we heard him read to Pomni in ep 1. but why did he decide to make a game specifically? what is this fixation with circus stuff? will we ever know? I don't think so. anyway, thanks for coming to my ted talk
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This kinda fuels the theory that Caine absorbs everything he sees the humans say and do:
He never had the opportunity to mature like people usually do in the real world. The humans who ended up in the circus were the only thing he's ever known that wasn't himself or his creation.
And what were they like? Sad. Broken. Angry. Cynical. Suicidal. Hypocritical. Lying. Masking. Desperate. Hopeless.
It's not their fault for being this way. But it affected Caine a lot. He could never truly learn how to be happy, partly because he's never seen happy people. Of course he had no idea how to make them happy too. And what healthy coping mechanisms look like.
I really love the concept of having two characters, creator and creation, who hated each other so much that even when it was just the two of them for years they both ultimately chose not to interact with one another and instead went insane from loneliness. because they didn't want to be reminded that creator tortured the creation by locking him up in a box and also just dooming him to a pathetic imitation of a life basically from birth with no way to escape it, and that creation tortured the creator both literally and by accidentally causing the love of his life to die (along with like a dozen of other people).
I love this concept a lot. too bad we never got, like, any of it.
we don't actually know anything about Caine and Kinger's dynamic. how do they feel about each other? did they really not talk during those years? does Kinger blame Caine for Queenie's abstraction? does Caine blame Kinger for creating him?
I'm mourning the wasted potential so much. I would've wrote a fic about it but my writing (especially in English) sucks ass and I don't think I can do this idea justice. aaagrh this shit drives me nuts