Can u tell me if hoodoo is a closed practice? I am not African American. I grew up in Memphis and spent summers in the Delta growing up. My witchcraft studies and interests in my southern heritage have brought me to southern conjure traditions.
hoodoo isn’t closed, it’s restrictive i would say. you must honor the African American ancestors who practiced it and you must do work from an Afrocentric perspective.
Actually each section of the South has its own brand of Rootwork/Conjure/Hoodoo. That’s what makes these systems so beautiful. And race has nothing to do with it, but rather economic status. The Appalachians have a brand of hoodoo practiced by both white and blacks. New Orleans, the city I grew up in, is very much the same. So, I would agree that it’s restricted, but more by status than by race.
actually it is about race. African American conjure is about race.
Hoodoo is the name of a conglomerate of different Southern Conjure folk practices. Not all of them are related to the African American community. originalsinsuality is right, it’s more about socioeconomic status. Hoodoo in most places was the practice of the poor, and the poor (though they are predominantly AA in some areas) are not strictly AA, especially in Appalachia. It really does depend on which areas you’re looking at, and which specific practices you’re talking about. There are AA conjure practices within hoodoo, but not all hoodoo is AA. It’s kind of like the “all penguins are birds but not all birds are penguins”.
When it comes down to the bare bones answer to Anon’s question, the answer is still “no, not a closed practice”.
It wasnt just for the poor . We had it to survive, these systems originated from african practices . Its not closed but you still have to respect where it came from. And for Appalachia , there were slaves there , white folks back in those days ended up failing during the times of slavery so they ended up poor as well. Although most were poor. They still exercised racism and oppression against blacks. Don’t act like everything was were are the world in the mountains when it wasn’t
These practices werent shared openly back in those days , practices and conjures were also stolen , misused and reclaimed into their own. We must not leave that part out
Hoodoo/Conjure/Rootwork were founded out of repression. Practiced in part by African Americans, some of which were slaves, yes, but who’d forgotten their gods for the ones of their masters. This is why Hoodoo/Conjure is so heavily influenced by Protestantism. Or, in the case of New Orleans Voodoo, by Catholicism. If one did their research you’d find scores of stories of how a Conjure man/woman cured someone for free, or told someone how to do something, right out in the open. Let’s not also forget the European Witchcraft addition to it. Anyone who has read even the basic of witchy books could see the correlation between candle color correlations and herbs used. Magic, or wanga, used in Haitian Vodou, has distinct differences from Hoodoo. And both are from African slaves. And, if we look at Obeah, another magical tradition, that was greatly inspired by Le Petite Albert, a French occult system, the same way that the 6th and 7th Books of Moses influenced Hoodoo in America.
BOY IF YOU DONT GET…. just because conjure has european witchcraft influence has no bearing on who initiated and carried the tradition, African Americans…so what’s ur point. I love how you say that AA’s ‘forgot’ their African gods for ones of their, which is an ahistorical statement all the way around so looks like you need to pick up a damn book, but you promote that we should remember that conjure has european witchcraft influence. robbing black folk of their agency in their history in this folk-magical practices, but we should remember the euros and the french…stfu
I really hate this unceasing tradition of non-blacks (especially and specifically white people) appropriating our cultures and then claiming authority and to have the utmost expertise. Worst of all, ownership. This has been typical throuhgout history and is no different when it comes to spiritual traditions that have fundamental roots and ties to West Africa via slavery. I really could not care less about white people in Appalachia that have appropriated Southern Conjure OR how many years they’ve been appropriating. It doesn’t magically become your creation even 200 years in. Get real.
Similarly, whites are doing/have done the exact same thing in New Orleans with New Orleans Voodoo. You have entire whites-only houses full of mambos and houngans claiming authority and ownership while self-segregating. You even have less spritually inclined whites there appropriating jazz funerals with little understanding of its roots in both the Black church and various West African spiritual traditions.
In regards to the discussion on Hoodoo, I’m going to post this piece by Palo Mayombe tata Christopher Bradford (who is also active in Western mystery school traditions as well as a Hoodoo practitioner) who discusses the Congo roots of Hoodoo and compared it to Palo, another Congo rooted practice:
“There is a way of thinking about reality–and learning to interact with it–that empowers all of the Congo-rooted magical systems currently alive here in the West. Having years of experience as a conjurer in the Hoodoo tradition here in America, and learning from an experienced Tata the methods of Palo Mayombe as an Engueyo, I continually am finding parallels between the two. There are two ideas in particular that stand out that I wanted to discuss.
Heating and Cooling Spirits
In Hoodoo, we “heat” a spirit to great activity using herbs and roots and powders, and “cool” a spirit using water and herbs and roots as well. The concept of heating and cooling a spirit in Hoodoo comes directly from Congo approaches to medicine and Spirit-Work; cooling herbs are used to calm and soothe, and heating herbs to agitate and cause movement. In Palo, we find the same approach with our bilongo and spiritual baths. "Bitter" herbs in a bath function powerfully to cleanse negativity and remove links to negative spirits because of their natural association with unpleasantness–we use that unpleasantness to chase off the negative spirit. This is similar to how a method for cleansing a home in Hoodoo works; taking a black cast iron skillet, we heat it until it is smoking-hot, and then throw in red hot peppers. We go from room to room while incanting an expelling psalm, using the irritant smoke from the hot peppers to chase the negativity off. Even in the singing of Mambos/Reciting of Psalms we see that the Congo current has powerfully shaped both approaches. If you aren’t singing or praying, in Hoodoo or Palo, you aren’t working Spirit. An example of “heating” a spirit in Hoodoo would be using Ginger powder in a conjure-hand, in order to get the spirit within lively and moving. If we were being punitive in a working, we may use a particularly harsh “heating” agent, like black peppercorns….heating the spirit into a rage in order to punish an enemy. We would also use heat in a medicinal approach; adding ginger to a work laid at the crossroads to improve on job opportunities and repair the imbalance in life, so that there is activity and action occurring. In Palo the same principle is at work; gentle heat for medicine or simply to awaken and make lively a spirit (think blowing Chamba on the Nganga or a bilongo, for instance) and more intense heat for punitive works. Where a conjurer would add black peppercorn, a palero would likely use fula; working the same principles that are rooted in Congo understandings, with differences in culture changing some of the materials used.When working with our nkisi in Palo, the heating and cooling is a constant thing; we blow rum and smoke over them to keep them cool and relaxed and pleasant toward us, and blow hot chamba when we need them up and moving toward accomplishing a particular goal. We often see–especially with our Luceros, in my opinion–that heating our spirits is heating our own lives up, by nature of the pact we have that creates unity between ourselves and the Nkisi. When Lucero is agitated and moving with Fire, I see that same conflict in my life, and when he is soothed and calm, the same reflected for me–especially in opportunities and in relationships with natural forces. This agitation isn’t a bad thing, as fire and conflict are often needed to create positive change in a situation…..the understanding of spirit we have from our Palo traditions gives us tools to manage how much fire is applied to our daily lives, and to those of the people we work with.
Sweetening Spirits and Souring them
Another commonality is the idea of “sweetening” ourselves or a given working so that it attracts the right kind of spirits. We see this in the conjure-hand of Hoodoo; this is similar to our bilongo in Palo. Making a mojo hand to make a boss treat you better, for instance, would require some honey or sugar to “sweeten” them toward you. If I were working with a particular spirit from a local graveyard in hoodoo, they’d be paid for their time in coins and food, and honey or sugar-water would be poured on the grave to keep the Spirit sweet on me and pleasant in our interactions. In Palo these same principles are at work, with spiritual baths meant to bless and heal requiring sweet herbs and waters in order to sweeten the spirits interpenetrating a person, and to attract the good and positive spirits into their lives. We offer our nkisi Honey to sweeten them, rum and blood to feed them, smoke and water and rum to cool them. We feed our conjure hands in hoodoo with rum and smoke as well; it is amazing and beautiful to see how the fire of the Congo tradition has found root and blossomed in different ways on our side of the Atlantic. Part of the beauty of these two traditions is that they are rooted in nature and direct interaction with it, in perceiving spirit as living, and give us tools to interact with that living spirit from a position of Wisdom and understanding. There is no way to understand the practical work of either of these traditions without fully grasping the concepts of heating and cooling. Even without a deep herbal knowledge, this basic understanding allows us to make effective medicine using smell and taste to gather the correct herbs for baths and workings. I don’t need to know the Latin name for mint to taste it and know that it is sweet; nor do I need to know all of the healing/punitive uses of the dandelion to know that it is sour. I can tell that a pepper is hot without years of study….this basic understanding is one that, when fully grasped, makes it possible for the Tata/Yayi or Hoodoo to take a quick walk outside in his garden, or in the nearby brush, or grocery store, and using discernment find herbs that can be worked to accomplish any goal regardless of how many years they have been working. There is no excuse for us not to know, for instance, which plants growing around our homes are sweet and which are bitter. We shouldn’t need to order herbs on the internet to do our work, as Palo and hoodoo are nature-based spiritual practice. That being said, a proper understanding of herbs and their uses in workings is a great gift, and one we should strive to work for our entire lives as Paleros….but we are never powerless, even without a personal teacher of herbal knowledge. We can live in the middle of a city, and get everything we need from the produce department of a grocery store, if there isn’t a park nearby. Understanding the basic principles of heating/cooling and sweetening/souring, we can work spiritual medicine to heal ourselves and accomplish positive things for the people of our communities.
Additional:
The research I’ve done (especially within the excellent Rituals Of Resistance–found herehttp://www.amazon.com/Rituals-Resistance-Atlantic-Religion-Lowcountry/dp/0807137197/ref=pd_sim_b_8)which details the slave migrations make it clear that the Congo where the vast majority of slaves imported in the early and mid periods of American slavery, with the Yoruba peoples coming in the later importations. Frankly, the individual you know is mostly correct, although I would say instead that Hoodoo is Congo religion as reborn in the South, and Palo as it was reborn in the Carribean. They have he same roots, and similar origins. The bottle-spell of Hoodoo is an Nkisi, and it is brought to life with mambo (sung prayer) and mpemba (candle) the same as the makuto/cunanche of Palo. It’s a beautiful thing to discover, especially for we American Palero’s who don’t speak Spanish. Much of the herb and root lore of Palo is in Spanish, and many of the plants aren’t native to North America, or aren’t available except by mail. As this is nature religion, we really should be using the plants and dirts that are available in the nature around us to build our makutos and prenda..our Hoodoo roots allow us to use the herbs and roots native to this land we are in for practical spiritual work in Palo as well. Because of the reality of the herbalism in both systems–congolese wisdom broadened by interaction with Native American priests who shared the wisdom of the native plant species–there is no dissonance whatsoever in the use of herbal lore from both systems in the creation of our medicines, be they tea or an Nkisi/Nganga. Add the lore of hoodoo to the treasure-trove available from our Tatas/Yayis and Nicholaj’s excellent herb treatise in the Garden of Blood and Bones, and the English-only speaker is blessed with a huge amount of wisdom for working Mayombe. Beautiful. The Congo came to the Americas with their own Christianity, having had Christianity (made thoroughly Congolese and interpreted through their existing spiritual wisdom) a part of their culture a century before large-scale Atlantic slavery had begun. The Christian elements of Hoodoo are themselves directly rooted in the Congo approach to the Christian mysteries, and we need look no further than Palo Kimbisa to see the equivalent of the practice in Palo.
Additional Notes by ConjureMan Ali (another Hoodoo/Conjure practitioner who also practices Quimbanda, another Congo rooted belief system from Brazil) on this piece:
Syncretism between African cults and Christianity definitely took place in the Congo itself and most are unaware of this. This began as early as the 1400’s with the arrival of the Portuguese. Christianity resonated with the people of the Congo, but the history was also complex as the anti-Christian movements–as the Imbangala is one–grew in power and eventually caused a counter-Christian movement. It was this blend of Christian, namely Catholic, and its counter movement that came to the New World. In those areas where Catholicism thrived, the Congo beliefs continued some of their previous syncretic beliefs, but further adopted more the indigineous flavors of the region they settled in. In those regions where Catholicism didn’t thrive, there was a move towards more traditional Congo belief structure. And it is from there that we find that in the United States the Catholic-syncretic element of the slaves waned and their practices were seen as thoroughly “heathen” by their slave owners. Eventually what stepped in to fill the gap left by the religious structure of Catholic priest and Congo “nganga” was the deacon, leading to the eventual adoption of Charismatic Protestanism that became hallmark of hoodoo.”
So please… PLEASE have several seats trying to claim ANY ownership over our traditions simply because Africans incorporated the Bible, books of Moses, saints (in Lucumi/Santeria), OR grimoires into their African spiritual worldviews and sorcery. You are a joke and should do a better job of researching history.
Black Magic: Religion and the African American Conjuring Tradition by Yvonne Patricia Chireau answers every question posed in this thread, and several more.
Hoodoo IS a closed practice. Period.
