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so who's gonna make sure at the sdcc panel we get someone to ask jacob a question other than "why is louis a lying liar who lies"

#iwtv #tvl #don't play in my fucking face at least damien won't be there to objectify anyone this time lol

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#art #tv: star trek

i don't CARE that nobody gaf about larry, that's MY favorite canadian white boy whose casting for this season i predicted fourscore and seven years ago, and he can act his ass off. look up schitt's creek!!!! we are losing the ANCIENT TEXTS!!!!!!!

#tvl spoilers #iwtv #tvl #noah reid #this is a largely unserious post we spent way too much time with the band this season but not u noah ur perfect #and gay. of course larry was gay as hell

yusiyomogi

the biggest problem i have with loustat this season is that it lacks passion. desperately so. i'm aspec and i don't care much about romance in fiction, but gothic romance in iwtv was excellent, it made me feel something beyond myself. even outside of what we can consider their "good" times in season 1, the passion and yearning and painful co-dependency was ever-present.

louis was sitting there at the trial watching lestat say the most disgusting shit about him and he still couldn’t stop loving him. and we agreed he was insane for that, and we wanted more. louis couldn't stop loving lestat and longing for him even when he thought lestat wanted to kill him. when he was angry at him. when he was scared of him. but in s3 i simply can't feel anything anymore.

i know more great loustat scenes are coming soon but i really just... i think i'll have troubles in believing the sincerity of it after these 4 episodes. one, two, five great scenes won't replace the ever-present yearning in s1&2 and the devastating nature of it.

right now it feels like s1&2 were written by people who were crushing on lestat along with louis, but s3 is written by someone who doesn't really like louis and doesn't understand what lestat likes about him. just like the most of loustat fanfiction actually lmao. it's just... should i care? will they make me care again? because i don't think it's possible right now... they'd need to compensate so much in the next 3 episodes.

reticentvampyr

well said and 1000% agreed. i'm almost positive we'll get some great scenes from them in the remaining episodes, but they won't feel earned. for all intents and purposes, the present-day scenes in s3 have done nothing to illuminate lestat's relationships that are core to his personality (sans gabi, which is becoming extremely one-note). not marius (who i fucking hate in the books fwiw, trust me i was happy not to hear a four-episode spiel from him, but SOMETHING more than what we got would've been nice). not nicki, who we got not even a full episode for. not lestat's relationship to paris as a city, to armand.

we keep being told again and again that's intentional. and sure, it is! he's isolated and in a downward spiral and doesn't want to tell daniel about his fucked-up past! i believe you! but i don't need 5 episodes of this kind of stasis and eye-rolling meme references when we only have 7 to tell a story, or at least part of it.

we keep being beaten over the head with gabi in nearly every scene. any references to louis are about how angry lestat is about a book louis didn't even write and didn't consent to get published.

i understood the anger at the start. hell, i still understand it. it's characteristic of lestat. but we've wasted precious airtime on barely-there flashback scenes (and the ones that were there, prior to episode 3 or so, were very cheap-looking), superfluous footage of a band we somehow still barely get to know, and characters telling us exactly what's happened

--(i.e., armand telling daniel he watched over him for 52 years...could we have seen flashes of that, like, sprinkled anywhere in the season? saying "well it's lestat's season, we wouldn't see that" doesn't hold up. we got snippets of daniel's life in the first two seasons that were largely told from louis' POV.)--

and now, at the end of episode 5 when we learn lestat has apparently found his true/honest sound via allowing himself to grieve claudia again (a song i do love btw), we have two episodes left of the season. two episodes left to convince the audience that there's still something there in a relationship that was touted as core to the series. and it was, for the first two seasons. louis' love for lestat, as fucked up as it was, remained a through-line in the first two seasons even when he wasn't around. i've felt none of that from lestat this entire season, which is so out of character for him. and if i'm supposed to feel it next episode, based on interactions that happen offscreen....what am i even watching for, then?

you could say "well, it's because he was angry." but despite that anger louis should've been haunting his ass at every turn. lestat would've welcomed it. why did dream/muse louis only make an appearance in ep 5? why was "big bad wolf" only released now, not even teased prior to the latter half of the season, if it was written out of lestat's anger toward louis at the time the season opens?

i'm not asking for loustat to even get back together. i'm just asking for their interactions to feel earned. the end of season 2, that final scene...that felt earned.

i'm not asking for neat storytelling. i'm not asking for linear storytelling. i am just asking for........any storytelling.

#ranting #meta #iwtv #tvl

akasha’s monologue and lestat’s amused description of the word “scoop” and armand’s cold stare in the subway station…PIECES OF MY SHOW…ARE THERE……

#I want to be hopeful I want to have hope I want to wait until the whole season is out #I watched seasons 1 and 2 as they aired and this is the first season I’m having trouble enjoying what they’re trying to do #maybe it’s a skill issue I don’t fuckin know man #but I’m kinda depressed about it lol #tvl spoilers #tvl #iwtv

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reticentvampyr

the writers have to stop looking at my fics /j bc tell me why wrote this in 2024

reticentvampyr

anyway.

#i miss the version of this relationship post-s2 that i made up in my head #i feel i can acknowledge i made it up in my head and still be disappointed #bc i was never expecting this but i would've loved some baseline level of yearning instead of lestat calling louis a cancerous jackal #angry at him through five episodes mind you #abt a book he didn't write #i have to sit with my feelings on this season when it's done

the writers have to stop looking at my fics /j bc tell me why wrote this in 2024

#except it was an instrumental piece that Louis hears via Daniel in the next part #if I said what I think about this season versus my unrealistic fantasy they’d jinja kill me #TVL #tvl spoilers

lioncourtz

SHEILA ATIM as Akasha

THE VAMPIRE LESTAT 03.05 | "New York"

#tvl spoilers #tv: interview with the vampire #YES

I can say I liked ep 5 more than the last; 3 and 5 are probably the highest ranked for me so far. The glaring writing problems still remain, but Sheila Atim as Akasha was an absolute standout. CHILLS. I need to see more of her. Her monologue was perhaps my fave scene this season.

I loved all Lestat’s scenes in that crypt as well, sharing his fascination with modernity with Akasha. I don’t quite get why they skipped so much vampire lore via Marius. Dude literally dipped out for a decade. We didn’t need his 200 pages from the book, but some part of the mentorship element would’ve been nice, for exposition if nothing else.

This season continues to employ EITHER lazy telling-not-showing OR leaving things so vague that even book readers get a little confused as to what’s supposed to be happening. No in-between. It’s so inconsistent.

The other highlight of the episode for me was Lestat’s song for Claudia. I don’t think the real Claudia would have looked at him so sadly, but I wonder if this is a dream!Claudia that Lestat felt he could to sing something like this to. (The real one would stare him down forever. As she should.)

I liked the DM stuff. I wish we had actually seen some snippets of Armand watching over Daniel over the decades instead of just being told outright. Again, I feel like we are getting major plot/character/relationship beats covered by like 1-2 lines?

Assad Zaman the actor you are, though.

Lastly, the unfolding of Loustat this season is bumming me out. Wdym Louis is “whore” in Lestat’s phone? (Dreamstat calls him this in S2, but that’s *Louis’* own self-hatred made manifest.) Where is the yearning, the push and pull? Yeah, Lestat is mad about the book, but I think some unnecessary rockstar stuff or Gabi stuff could’ve been cut to make room for this love story, which the writers claim is so central to the show. It felt central for 2 seasons. Even when they were apart in S2, it was clear. For better or worse these two hated and loved each other deeply and passionately and with layers to that intensity. I don’t feel any of that this season. I miss them. 😭

Finally, RIP to my goat. The J of 3 years ago would’ve never predicted seeing one of their fave Canadian actors portraying being put to “rest” at a knockoff Brooklyn subway stop. LARRY I KNEW YOU FOR FIVE WEEKS BUT I WILL LOVE YOU FOREVER (I imagine Noah is THRILLED he got killed off 😂)

Two episodes left this season and it feels like only 2 of them had anything real happen in them 💀 but I guess we will see!!!!

#TVL #tvl spoilers #iwtv spoilers #iwtv

theunmarkedtombstone

THE VAMPIRE LESTAT S01E04 - THE DEVIL'S ROAD

#a laugh out loud moment for me as a frequenter of WOOSTER #tv: interview with the vampire #tv: the vampire lestat #c: the brat prince

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#p: delaniey hayles #p: jacob anderson #my angels

shore-birds

everybody get more danger days RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!

#art #music: my chemical romance

without spoiling anything, i think i can say 4 episodes in that i see what the writers are trying to do with this season, but it’s really not coming through so far. there is plenty i like, but also a lot that feels half-baked.

what it comes down to is the die-hard audience is too smart and too sick of the provocative edgelord humor by now. intentionally cringe or not, intentionally offensive or not, it’s wearing thin. i’d like some story in my show again, please. show me something real. there are glimpses of it. bring it back!!!

semi-relatedly, i don’t think you’re supposed to think lestat is making good choices out of his anger and pettiness, so i’m not surprised with how shitty he’s moving. but we are over halfway through the season now. i am over this pattern and ready for something new, the reckoning for his character that would make a lot of what we saw in the first four episodes worth it.

#iwtv #TVL #tvl spoilers #like did they have to have Daniel call Louis Louisiana fried chicken. come on now.

I would be absolutely shocked if the show went in the direction of presenting Louis and Claudia as liars, or somehow deny their victimhood in another way. For over two seasons, they've not made any writing decision that would make me think this is an idea they believe in or want to explore! As for the audience, unfortunately there will always be people who would jump at the opportunity to discredit Louis and Claudia and defend Lestat, that's already the case even as he tells us to our faces that he's a liar and not to take his words as truth. But the thing I love about IWTV is that it's not written with its dumbest audience in mind. So I try my best not to worry about it, though I admit some of the voices in the fandom make that hard sometimes 🥲

i would be shocked as well, but this season has been a little wild, so I really have no idea what to expect at this point. my twitter feed is essentially full of doomposting and it's very difficult, to your point, not to spiral along with it. i really want to go into it without any preconceived notions of what to expect, but that's becoming increasingly impossible as the season goes on. people are also posting untagged spoilers from screeners, which doesn't help.

the larger opinion is either that (1) going back to the train scene at all is denying claudia's victimhood, or (2) going back to the train scene means of COURSE the WHOLE thing never happened and lestat has been maligned this whole time blah blah blah. no nuance, no in-between.

i fear the show will present a kind of nuance that the fandom won't be able to grasp, which is that there are elements of both their experiences of that night that are true, and what did happen is a some combination of both.

and as we've both said, the fandom takes this kind of thing and runs with it. sam says right out that lestat "wouldn't do that" (i.e., make a mockery of claudia's assault) but even if he doesn't remember it how claudia tells it, that doesn't negate the things he would and did do.

and besides all that, i think there's a marked lack of Black writers in the room this season, which rightfully amplifies the trepidation people have around redoing this scene. that is kind of a whole other conversation, but tl;dr i hope that's account for in season 4.

#iwtv #iwtvl #tvl #meta #ask

reticentvampyr

I personally don't like the idea of entirely retconning the train scene anyway, but did Claudia ever actually tell Louis about Lestat bringing her home in any particular detail? I thought what we know about it comes mostly from her diary, which we know she intended to be private. I'm sure if they really wanted to the writers could come up with a reason to lie to her diary, but it seems like a stretch especially when so much of the dialogue from that scene could just be repurposed with different delivery and slightly different wording choices as Lestat (from his own pov) being upset and worried for both her and Louis and hurt by another "abandonment." I'd be shocked if the basics of their confrontation don't remain intact, maybe augmented by him bringing up things she simply didn't care very much about, like the fact that a massive war was about to break out and she was running right into it. IDK am I dumb? It seems like a really obvious opportunity for a POV shift where from Lestat's point of view he was desperately trying to protect her and by extension Louis from disaster despite the fact that she hates him and their home life is objectively miserable because he already tried letting her go and look how that turned out, and from hers he's a monster who doesn't care about her at all and is rubbing her face in the worst thing that ever happened to her because he can, while also implying that he could have saved her earlier and didn't. She can be objectively wrong about his feelings and motives without being a liar, and without her interpretation of the scene being unreasonable in light of what he did to Louis and the state of their relationship more generally. The farthest I could see it going is him believing he'd made an impassioned and reasonable argument for why she should come home and she'd eventually seen sense and agreed, while she felt coerced and threatened. I guess we'll find out.

I’m with you — I think the reality of the season 3 interpretation of this scene is something like this, if the writers are smart. Lestat having a different perspective on how the scene went wouldn’t change the fact that Claudia felt coerced and threatened, as you said, or like a prisoner in their home. A revisit to this scene shouldn’t make Claudia look like she’s lying about the abusive situations Lestar put her in (and the stifling/boundary-less ones Louis enabled).

You could make the argument she lied in her diary because she knew by this point Louis and Lestat could sneak in and read it—because they already had invaded her privacy in this way—but the telling doesn’t change her lived experience.

“She can be objectively wrong about his feelings and motives without being a liar” is right — it’s impossible to be objective when feelings are involved, of course. But as several folks have said, the assumption that Lestat’s POV is the one “right” one discredits his family’s experience and there’s really no way to exclude race from that equation. People in the fandom have a hard enough time with accepting Louis and Claudia as imperfect victims; the show doesn’t need to add fuel to the fire.

reticentvampyr

bringing this back bc i'm really hoping the above read is actually how we get the train scene revisit, since sam confirmed we are going back to it. i rly don't want my show leaning into abuse apologia. lestat has made it clear in s3 so far that he has a lot of anger around how that scene is written in daniel's book because again, emotional objectivity is a factor for both his and claudia's POVs. i just don't want claudia (and louis') victimhood denied in light of whatever reframing they choose to go for.

three episodes in, i don't think the show is asking us to accept lestat's truth as absolute; you can tell even he doesn't. there are entire chunks of stuff glossed over when it comes to his past and his relationships. my fear is more that the fandom would take a revisit to this scene and run with it - "this never happened to claudia and louis were lying about everything" which has ALWAYS been my fear.

just trying to keep an open mind!!! how is everyone else feeling lol

#iwtv #meta

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