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THE VAMPIRE LESTAT S01E04 - THE DEVIL'S ROAD

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without spoiling anything, i think i can say 4 episodes in that i see what the writers are trying to do with this season, but it’s really not coming through so far. there is plenty i like, but also a lot that feels half-baked.
what it comes down to is the die-hard audience is too smart and too sick of the provocative edgelord humor by now. intentionally cringe or not, intentionally offensive or not, it’s wearing thin. i’d like some story in my show again, please. show me something real. there are glimpses of it. bring it back!!!
semi-relatedly, i don’t think you’re supposed to think lestat is making good choices out of his anger and pettiness, so i’m not surprised with how shitty he’s moving. but we are over halfway through the season now. i am over this pattern and ready for something new, the reckoning for his character that would make a lot of what we saw in the first four episodes worth it.
I would be absolutely shocked if the show went in the direction of presenting Louis and Claudia as liars, or somehow deny their victimhood in another way. For over two seasons, they've not made any writing decision that would make me think this is an idea they believe in or want to explore! As for the audience, unfortunately there will always be people who would jump at the opportunity to discredit Louis and Claudia and defend Lestat, that's already the case even as he tells us to our faces that he's a liar and not to take his words as truth. But the thing I love about IWTV is that it's not written with its dumbest audience in mind. So I try my best not to worry about it, though I admit some of the voices in the fandom make that hard sometimes 🥲
i would be shocked as well, but this season has been a little wild, so I really have no idea what to expect at this point. my twitter feed is essentially full of doomposting and it's very difficult, to your point, not to spiral along with it. i really want to go into it without any preconceived notions of what to expect, but that's becoming increasingly impossible as the season goes on. people are also posting untagged spoilers from screeners, which doesn't help.
the larger opinion is either that (1) going back to the train scene at all is denying claudia's victimhood, or (2) going back to the train scene means of COURSE the WHOLE thing never happened and lestat has been maligned this whole time blah blah blah. no nuance, no in-between.
i fear the show will present a kind of nuance that the fandom won't be able to grasp, which is that there are elements of both their experiences of that night that are true, and what did happen is a some combination of both.
and as we've both said, the fandom takes this kind of thing and runs with it. sam says right out that lestat "wouldn't do that" (i.e., make a mockery of claudia's assault) but even if he doesn't remember it how claudia tells it, that doesn't negate the things he would and did do.
and besides all that, i think there's a marked lack of Black writers in the room this season, which rightfully amplifies the trepidation people have around redoing this scene. that is kind of a whole other conversation, but tl;dr i hope that's account for in season 4.

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I personally don't like the idea of entirely retconning the train scene anyway, but did Claudia ever actually tell Louis about Lestat bringing her home in any particular detail? I thought what we know about it comes mostly from her diary, which we know she intended to be private. I'm sure if they really wanted to the writers could come up with a reason to lie to her diary, but it seems like a stretch especially when so much of the dialogue from that scene could just be repurposed with different delivery and slightly different wording choices as Lestat (from his own pov) being upset and worried for both her and Louis and hurt by another "abandonment." I'd be shocked if the basics of their confrontation don't remain intact, maybe augmented by him bringing up things she simply didn't care very much about, like the fact that a massive war was about to break out and she was running right into it. IDK am I dumb? It seems like a really obvious opportunity for a POV shift where from Lestat's point of view he was desperately trying to protect her and by extension Louis from disaster despite the fact that she hates him and their home life is objectively miserable because he already tried letting her go and look how that turned out, and from hers he's a monster who doesn't care about her at all and is rubbing her face in the worst thing that ever happened to her because he can, while also implying that he could have saved her earlier and didn't. She can be objectively wrong about his feelings and motives without being a liar, and without her interpretation of the scene being unreasonable in light of what he did to Louis and the state of their relationship more generally. The farthest I could see it going is him believing he'd made an impassioned and reasonable argument for why she should come home and she'd eventually seen sense and agreed, while she felt coerced and threatened. I guess we'll find out.
I’m with you — I think the reality of the season 3 interpretation of this scene is something like this, if the writers are smart. Lestat having a different perspective on how the scene went wouldn’t change the fact that Claudia felt coerced and threatened, as you said, or like a prisoner in their home. A revisit to this scene shouldn’t make Claudia look like she’s lying about the abusive situations Lestar put her in (and the stifling/boundary-less ones Louis enabled).
You could make the argument she lied in her diary because she knew by this point Louis and Lestat could sneak in and read it—because they already had invaded her privacy in this way—but the telling doesn’t change her lived experience.
“She can be objectively wrong about his feelings and motives without being a liar” is right — it’s impossible to be objective when feelings are involved, of course. But as several folks have said, the assumption that Lestat’s POV is the one “right” one discredits his family’s experience and there’s really no way to exclude race from that equation. People in the fandom have a hard enough time with accepting Louis and Claudia as imperfect victims; the show doesn’t need to add fuel to the fire.
bringing this back bc i'm really hoping the above read is actually how we get the train scene revisit, since sam confirmed we are going back to it. i rly don't want my show leaning into abuse apologia. lestat has made it clear in s3 so far that he has a lot of anger around how that scene is written in daniel's book because again, emotional objectivity is a factor for both his and claudia's POVs. i just don't want claudia (and louis') victimhood denied in light of whatever reframing they choose to go for.
three episodes in, i don't think the show is asking us to accept lestat's truth as absolute; you can tell even he doesn't. there are entire chunks of stuff glossed over when it comes to his past and his relationships. my fear is more that the fandom would take a revisit to this scene and run with it - "this never happened to claudia and louis were lying about everything" which has ALWAYS been my fear.
just trying to keep an open mind!!! how is everyone else feeling lol
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the detail of Louis having the cloud gift now really got me good. it shows how he’s physically unencumbered in comparison to the trappings of Dubai, but still ensnared by his grief to a point where he can’t see anything else, to a fault and to the disservice of Claudia’s memory.
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