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Indigo enclosure (an 8′ PVC) post-cleaning as I reassemble it. First empty, then substrate, then cage furniture, and then indigo (in the last image - don’t know if he’s visible though).
would a normal rock hide hold humidity well? or should i use plastic? If its better for my snake (65% humidity) then ill use plastic but i like my tank to be pretty and a plastic thing doesn't look pretty in there. Hahaha
I’m glad that your putting the snake’s husbandry needs over aesthetic desires. That’s a rarity lmao. You can generally use any kind of hide as long as you put something under it– I like putting cypress mulch or sphagnum moss under hides so that it says nice and humid inside of the hide.Â
On the topic of AP's T8... I just ordered my first last week. In reviews, I keep hearing about sealant and having it dry overnight? I've tried navigating their website for something that explains what it is but all I can find is that assembly takes 15-20 minutes. Could you please explain what it is?
Assembly is easy, but sealant is definitely a thing.
So basically, if you go by AP instructions, you assemble the whole cage, but don’t fasten the top too well. Top is one of the first ones to have to be fastened by screws, so you have to back up and remove it before you seal.
If you are geometrically talented, you can change the order of assembly it such that the top (not to brag, but after a cage or two, we figured out how to avoid the extra steps – we have five AP cages total, all bought new and assembled by us).
Then you get messy with the sealant. They provide an excellent sealant, and if you have thin silicone or nitrile gloves, use them. I used my bare hands, with lots of water to keep the sealant from sticking to my skin.
Should have taken how-to photos, in retrospect, but here’s how you do it.
1. Lay out a bead of sealant along the seam that you’d like to waterproof.2. Moisten your finger or thumb generously with water (I had a sprayer handy for that) and drag it along the seam, pushing the sealant in as much as you can, and leaving it as smooth as you can.3. If you want to add more, or to smooth out, just spray down with water and repeat.4. If you mess up and smear the sealant onto something it shouldn’t be on (like I did with Slinky’s acrylic door!), Goo-gone removes it while it’s still fresh.
The sealant cures in 24 hours if you’re lucky. It uses air moisture to cure, so we used fine mist sprayer to accelerate curing. We still waited 3 days to move the snakes in, because you could still smell it after 24 hours.
We sealed along the bottom, and about 2 inches up along the walls. We did not seal the top, since if the water is up to above 2 inches inside the cage, we have bigger problems.
I hear there are other manufacturers who offer seamless cages (boaphile?), but I would imagine shipping will be killer on a non-flat-packed six-footer cage. We like our APs and will be soon buying two more from them.
Success! First time playing with watercolors! Here’s a little infographic I put together about Top 10 reasons to own a reptile. www.wildchildreptiles.comÂ
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Birthday Enrichment with Renfield!
Enrichment is an important part of reptile husbandry, and it can be a real challenge for some species. For active snakes like colubrids, it can be done by adding new things into the environment, but sand boas spend most of their time underground. They’re not climbers, they’re burrowers. What can you do to make their lives more interesting? There are a number of things, including burying items in their substrate to tunnel around, introducing the shed skin of other reptiles for them to investigate, and making feeding time more of a puzzle. For my sand boa’s birthday, I made a simple feeding puzzle. I hid his pinkie under a little box and then stepped back with the camera, waiting to see what would happen.
He knew there was a pinkie somewhere. But where?
After several minutes of noodling around, he tried to investigate the box more thoroughly… by attempting to burrow under it. This was when I realized there was going to be a problem, because I’d put the pinkie on a piece of towel under the box so that it wouldn’t get covered in aspen. So as he noodled under the box, I removed the top.
It… still took him a while to realize that the pinkie was now visible.Â
But eventually he figured it out… and ate it in the most dramatic way possible!Â
Later on, he dropped the pinkie, somehow backed into a burrow, and then just stared at me, completely helpless. I had to give him an assist with the tongs.
How on earth did he back into a burrow? As far as I knew, he always tunneled in face first.
See what I mean? Completely helpless.
But eventually he figured it out. Sorta.
So, what did we learn from watching Renfield interact with this little puzzle? Simple. Snakes don’t understand the concept of boxes and also Renfield is very bad at biting rodents. Still, I think he got something out of it- perhaps next time we’ll try a puzzle where he has to go through something to find the food. If you try anything like this with one of your snakes, I’d love to hear about it!
And yet you fail to accept the scenario where he stands a chance of living. The scenario where he lives out his life with an experienced reptile keeper and goes to see a reptile vet to treat his parasites and lives out his life in a great enclosure.
I’m saying it’s likely he would die from what I described, not guaranteed.
Every suggestion you gave resulted in Anola Bar's death. That's where that came from. All anoles in pet stores are wild caught. They have the same parasites and the same stress level and people keep them as pets. But someone rescues one and OH NOOOO.
Because that’s what could have happened in all the scenarios, it still has a chance to happen? It just happens, rehabilitators put down animals, critters die from exposure or predators, and parasites wreck havoc.Â
So what I am pretty sure is a brown anole hitched a ride with a truck from florida allll the way to my mom’s work in Indiana. He lives with me now. I need a smaller tank (I only had a 33 available) but any ideas for names?
If you don’t know the species ID with complete confidence, you should not be planning to keep it. Please let the animal go outside, and let nature do it’s thing. Wild animals are not pets.
I am absolutely not letting ANY non native lizard outside in Indiana to die. What is wrong with you? Never mind that wild caught specimens are common as is. I’d rather keep him than doom him to death. Are you serious?
Yes, I am dead serious. Wild animals are not pets. You have no idea what it is other than a generalized “maybe its a brown anole”, therefore have no idea what it needs care wise.Â
You’re causing this animal to stress out, it’s probably loaded with parasites, and parasites get worse when stress increases. Perhaps leading to an even worse and faster death. Hell, it may even spread to your other animals in some way.
Outside is where it belongs, not in your hands. You may want to save this animal, but nature is nature and it’s not a pet.
So you apparently have no idea what you’re suggesting. It is illegal to release a non-native species into the wild. Even if it wasn’t, it would be cruel to put this anole outside in Indiana because it gets COLD here. Like she may as well put it in the freezer. Plus, the reptile keeping hobby literally could not exist and continue to thrive if not for wild caught specimens….m
Yeah, that’s illegal in Indiana. Directly from the INDNR website:
It is not allowed in Indiana to release any reptile or amphibian acquired outside of Indiana. In most cases, you really should leave the animal outside where you found it, but this is an exception. That animal doesn’t belong in Indiana and to release it would be guaranteeing it a painful death once winter hits… if it isn’t eaten before then. It’s a shame that the animal hitchhiked up, because either alternative is going to be stressful to the animal, but releasing it is not an acceptable thing to recommend because that is illegal.Â
That’s the thing though, had OP not seen the reptile at all it would’ve scuttled off the truck and been released into Indiana anyway to die. The only thing that changed is them putting it in a cardboard box and saying “going to keep this”.
So where does this lie? Honestly the only thing they could do is give it to some wildlife group to be euthanized. They’re not going to bother keeping it in most cases.
The difference is that the animal was caught and is now in human hands and you advised something illegal. If the animal did its own thing, then that’s nature. It sucks, but it’s nature and nothing’s interfered. But it didn’t. It was caught, it’s been identified, and to release it now would be the same result for the lizard but a different result for the human because now they have broken the law. Forget the lizard and its actions for now- what you said to do was illegal. Generally, advice blogs shouldn’t be handing out advice that says “break the law.” Would they get into a lot of trouble for releasing the anole? Probably not. But it’s still bad advice to suggest releasing a non-native animal in a state where that is punishable by law.Â
Now return to the animal. What is going to happen to it? If it goes into the wild, it dies. If it goes to a wildlife rescue? It also dies. If it’s in somebody’s home and they know how to care for it and they feed it… it might die because it does likely have parasites and it is going to experience stress like literally every other captive anole in the US because they are all wild caught. All of them. There are no commercial captive anole breeders because it is significantly easier and cheaper to just shake the hell out of trees and catch what falls out. This is not an ideal situation for the lizard, and it’s not an ideal situation for jake-n-eggs, but if the animal is quarantined properly and cared for properly, then maybe it has a chance. This isn’t like somebody pulling a cornsnake from the bushes behind their apartment or bringing in a turtle from the pond- this is a cruddy situation all around, but to condemn the animal without even trying to do something for it… I’m with everybody else on this one. I’m done talking about this, too. jake-n-eggs, if you’re reading this, just be sure to not handle the little guy, keep him well quarantined (in a separate room from the rest of your collection), and just try to leave him alone as much as possible.
Yes, and I apologize for that. The law is strange and not entirely my understanding, to explain, I assumed even if you had touched it, since the animal wasn’t imported knowingly and easily could have ran off if OP hadn’t been successful catching it- it wouldn’t have been illegal.Â
In my mind I hadn’t thought the law would go “NOPE”. Most of the time with releases we’re thinking along the lines of “Don’t toss your ball pythons into the everglades” because they came from a different part of the world and don’t have natural predators, leading to the problem the law tries to address.
So yes, that was my bad and I am sorry about that. It wasn’t my intention, I had just thought differently since the critter hitch-hiked it in.
So by your logic, we should euthanize most anoles for sale in the United States, since they're almost entirely wild caught?????? Can you seriously please tell me how you think the reptile hobby started and continued to introduce new species?
Slow your roll, the thing in question is wild and the ID is “maybe an anole but idk”. I’m saying wildlife rehab would probably euthanize it because they’re not going to bother keeping a healthy animal, nor bother shipping it down to Florida. It would be a waste of their resources that could go to another animal.
Second, I don’t really support wild caught pets this day and age. We’re breeding nearly everything now, CB is an option and anoles are everywhere in pet stores. Your euthanize all of the pets thing came from? Some mythical land I guess.

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There’s the releasing is illegal bit, which is right and I apologize for that- but the “an animal hitches a ride and runs off” scenario would’ve happened anyway if nobody saw the lizard.Â
The “keeping native wild animals” is illegal bit, calling wildlife rehab is an option but OP was/is vehemently against it’s death which is how it would end there most likely.
Mmm..
the scale broke a few months ago and I haven’t gotten a chance to get a new one (I’ve also had trouble even finding one). Does he look overweight to you?Â
Well the scale would certainly help, but image wise I don’t think he’s overweight. You can usually tell when they start to grow rolls on their sides that it’s too much.
So what I am pretty sure is a brown anole hitched a ride with a truck from florida allll the way to my mom’s work in Indiana. He lives with me now. I need a smaller tank (I only had a 33 available) but any ideas for names?
If you don’t know the species ID with complete confidence, you should not be planning to keep it. Please let the animal go outside, and let nature do it’s thing. Wild animals are not pets.
I am absolutely not letting ANY non native lizard outside in Indiana to die. What is wrong with you? Never mind that wild caught specimens are common as is. I’d rather keep him than doom him to death. Are you serious?
Yes, I am dead serious. Wild animals are not pets. You have no idea what it is other than a generalized “maybe its a brown anole”, therefore have no idea what it needs care wise.Â
You’re causing this animal to stress out, it’s probably loaded with parasites, and parasites get worse when stress increases. Perhaps leading to an even worse and faster death. Hell, it may even spread to your other animals in some way.
Outside is where it belongs, not in your hands. You may want to save this animal, but nature is nature and it’s not a pet.
So you apparently have no idea what you’re suggesting. It is illegal to release a non-native species into the wild. Even if it wasn’t, it would be cruel to put this anole outside in Indiana because it gets COLD here. Like she may as well put it in the freezer. Plus, the reptile keeping hobby literally could not exist and continue to thrive if not for wild caught specimens….m
Yeah, that’s illegal in Indiana. Directly from the INDNR website:
It is not allowed in Indiana to release any reptile or amphibian acquired outside of Indiana. In most cases, you really should leave the animal outside where you found it, but this is an exception. That animal doesn’t belong in Indiana and to release it would be guaranteeing it a painful death once winter hits… if it isn’t eaten before then. It’s a shame that the animal hitchhiked up, because either alternative is going to be stressful to the animal, but releasing it is not an acceptable thing to recommend because that is illegal.Â
That’s the thing though, had OP not seen the reptile at all it would’ve scuttled off the truck and been released into Indiana anyway to die. The only thing that changed is them putting it in a cardboard box and saying “going to keep this”.
So where does this lie? Honestly the only thing they could do is give it to some wildlife group to be euthanized. They’re not going to bother keeping it in most cases.
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She explained why she did it, that she didn’t know it was bad, and then said she wouldn’t smoke around him anymore I was just taken aback at how rude people were being to her when she admitted to being wrong and promised to change. And I apologise, your post sounded very harsh to me and when I went to her blog I saw people telling her to get rid of her dragon, that she was a terrible pet owner, that she didn’t deserve pets ect and like I honestly didn’t think she deserved all the harsh words that were being said to her over a common mistake.
As is with most pot smoking+animal posts, the swarm comes for the inbox, but the actions of a majority are not my own.
My family keeps saying my gargoyle gecko is fat. Can I send you a pic of him so you can give me your opinion?
I’d need a photo and his weight in grams, but yes I can give you my opinion.

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Jake said the lizard is from Florida and hitched a ride to Indiana. If you really don't want them to keep it, then they should take it to a wildlife care group of some kind. But Florida and Indiana have vastly different environments, and releasing this lizard in Indiana would mean certain death.
A wildlife care group would euthanize the animal and that would be it. Same ending as the other options.
well I put it in there to bury and help the soil later, but I guess they like eating it!
Well this is certainly a bad idea.Â
Apples are not okay for crested geckos to have, to start.Â
For another, housing two hatchlings in a single enclosure can cause them to fight. Resulting in wounds, broken limbs, lost tails and even illness.Â
Third, a dirt substrate for hatchlings that looks to be unsifted to boot, is dangerous. These babies will snap at anything that so much as twitches, leading to ingestion of the soil and those twigs/mulch that’s mixed in- it can easily kill them.Â
As an added thought, since they’re so young I’m pretty sure you recently purchased them, and they should both be quarantined away from each other for 30 days at the least, or 60 at the most, and on paper towels in a kritter keeper to monitor eating/pooping habits.
So please, toss the apple core. Separate your geckos, house them on paper towel, and keep them away from each other for 60 days. When they’re adults you can house them on the dirt. Though be aware, the same health risk applies and you can lose your pets to loose substrate like this.
Err, they’re a year old and they’re siblings. I know they’ve been together for at least 10 months; they’re fine.
I don’t know what you mean about the substrate, so clarification would help. Should I just put paper towels over the soil? I have a live plant in there so it does need soil.
They’re not going to be fine when one latches onto the other’s leg and breaks it, or they make each other sick, or does this, but I suppose you’ll continue blowing off that advice. Just so you know, the “I’ve ridden without a seat belt for years and haven’t smashed my head against the windshield yet” logic isn’t a very good one to have.
I also forgot to mention, at this size you have no idea if they’re male or female yet, so you may be housing a male/female pair that are not of breeding weight. A f/m pair would breed and breed and breed, stressing out the female so she retains eggs (eggbinding) or in this case- cannot pass them at all due to her size.Â
A m/m or f/f pair would fight over resources like food, water and hides. Sometimes resulting in death, as the second link provided explains.
Substrate is the stuff on the bottom of the tank, I’d recommend removing them from this enclosure and putting them into separate large size kritter keepers with paper towels, as they’ll go right under it if it’s just thrown atop the soil.Â
Here are some more “I housed my geckos together why is one’s (limb here) falling off”.  Click here, and here, I’ll find more experiences if needed.
Well, I looked up the apple thing, and it seems they are safe as long as they don’t get too much of it. Besides, they were only licking it, not even eating it.Â
On sexing them: “ The males develop a rather prominent hemipenile bulge just behind their vent. This bulge may begin developing at around 5 months, but often it may take longer to be visible.” My geckos are more than double that age. They haven’t developed any bulge, so I’m quite certain they’re female.Â
Which leads to my next thing: multiple females can in fact be housed together. They have been eating normally, and usually don’t even bother with each other.Â
I did however add paper towels on top of the soil temporarily, and ordered some coconut fiber substrate.Â
Your geckos are well under 15 grams. I can tell just by their size compared to that apple, again, you do not know if they are male and female as the hemipenile bulge does not always appear at a certain age, but at a particular weight. I have a near 2 year old crested gecko who I have sexed as male via pre-anal pores, that has not developed a bulge yet. Why? He’s growing slower than a snail moves.
 Unless you have a macro image of pre-anal pores, you don’t know.
I still wouldn’t give my cresties apple as it is one of the least nutritious fruits to give them, also you tossed a whole apple core in there. People usually mush up the fruit so it’s soft. Take it out before it molds.
Multiple females can be housed together, but it is not recommended. Hence the “why did I find my female dead with her eyes eaten” post among numerous others.Â
Coco fiber substrate is also not any good for young geckos, as they usually eat it and die. Someone here on tumblr had it happen just the other day.