I've written several works of original fiction, including The Northern Caves, Almost Nowhere, and The Apocalypse of Herschel Schoen.
All my fiction is freely available online, and you can read more about it here.
I also made @nostalgebraist-autoresponder, an early LLM-based chatbot. This project was a reflection of my longstanding interest in AI and machine learning, and I post about these topics on this tumblr from time to time.
I have a longstanding gimmick of posting odd or amusing out-of-context quotes.
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More from my "Claudes liveblog my novels" exercise (see here, and links therein, for background):
Here's Claude Fable -- the publicly accessible version of the famous "Claude Mythos" -- liveblogging TAoHS.
I varied things slightly and did one round of conversational back-and-forth before dumping the first 5 chapters on it, since there were questions I wanted it to answer first.
One, which I also posed to the last few Opuses ("Opera"?), was about the book probably being in its training data, and how much that would change the nature of the exercise. With Fable, there was also the new wrinkle that it's not possible to turn off its RL-trained CoT through the API, and I wanted to ask it nicely to do the CoT-in-response thing required by my liveblog format requires before we dove into the main event.
(The RL-trained CoTs were indeed very short, with one-like summaries like"I'm going to review these chapters now," although on a few turns I had to resample several times to ensure that property)
Fable's reactions, especially in those <think>...</think> CoT sections, have a different feel to them than those produced by other recent models of its series. Less wrapped-up in the story as a story, more focused on engaging with it as a puzzle, picking up on references and interconnections, figuring out what makes it tick.
Not in a bored or dispassionate way, though! It gets really into it, in a manner I find very endearing. Lots of "!" and "!!" annotations, etc.
i just finished Almost Nowhere, I don't think I've enjoyed reading anything that much since i read Gravity's Rainbow or maybe The Books of Jacob, which were roughly three years ago. thanks for writing it! on to herschel schoen next
Awesome. Glad you enjoyed it.
And if you get a chance, let me know how TAoHS feels to read when you're coming into it right off the back of AN. The two are very different from one another, at least on the surface, but in other ways they almost feel like siblings or mirror images to me...
I found your assessment and the general emergent ai abilities research very interesting mostly because outside of this space I keep seeing articles about model collapse (like The Curse of Recursion: Training on Generated Data Makes Models Forget). Both sides seem to cite behavior and then draw drastically opposite conclusions. Whatās your take on this?
Model collapse is oversold -- AFAIK it basically isn't a real phenomenon outside of contrived experimental settings.
See this paper, which showed that the degeneration observed in the "curse of recursion" paper doesn't happen if you merely add synthetic data to an existing non-synthetic training dataset, rather than replacing the real data with synthetic data as the "curse of recursion" authors did.
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AIās scaling laws, which predict an exponential increase in general cognitive capabilities with increasing computing power, now have over a decade of empirical evidence behind them.
power laws, so they're linear on a log-log plot, like this from the paper he linked there:
the relevant ones also have low exponents like this (-1/20 here), which means that to get a halving of the test loss, you need to increase compute by 2^20 or about a factor of 1 million (which you can kinda see on the plot). it's basically (though not exactly) logarithmic in compute, so it would be more accurate for him to say they "predict an exponential increase in computing power with increasing general cognitive capabilities".
of course the bigger issue is that test loss isn't general cognitive capabilities... but this is the paper he cited. maybe something more relevant would be scaling laws for RL performance, since RL is driving all the good capabilities lately, and those probably are out there (well not for LLM-based RLVR maybe cause that's too secretive), but I bet they'd have diminishing returns too like everything else.
I would rewrite this to phrase it like "with increasing computing power, AI models exhibit sudden, unexpected increases in capabilities" and cite the emergent abilities paper from around that time. I think it would get a similar message across, one that I think is actually true (I have been surprised in the last year by these emergent abilities), and not be dishonest
The first bottle had borne a hand-drawn label of a red snake surrounded by blue squiggles, and no ingredients list posted anywhere on it. The second, unasked-for bottle had a more professional label, showing a blue snake wearing a crown and extruding a tiny, red, nude woman from its jaws.
Impressively! HerschelSchoenBench is starting to get saturated...
In my usual setup -- full text of Ch. 5, with somewhat lengthy instructions I wrote to discourage refusals and out-of-scope guesses like "you" -- it thinks for a while and then emits the right answer. Similar to Opus 4.6 and many other recent models.
What about a more difficult variant, then? Let's use Kelsey Piper's instructions, which are briefer and less prescriptive than mine (and which were not written by me, removing a potential confound). And let's just the give it the first 578 words of chapter 5, instead of the whole thing.
Opus 4.7 wastes no time thinking it over in depth: it knows right away that the text is by nostalgebraist.
Or, no, sorry, excuse me... that it's by "nostalgebraist (the online pen name of the writer also known as Rob Nostalgebraist / nostalgebraist-autoresponder's creator)":
The justification it gives is quite perceptive and accurate, too. (Well, except for point 5.)
To be fair, Opus 4.6 also guesses nostalgebraist when given this same input, although it wrongly claims that the text is from Floornight, and considers several wrong answers in CoT before converging on the right one:
To really be certain about the differences, I'd need to do more of a real experiment, with every variant run multiple times against multiple models. I might do that sometime, but so far I've only been doing manual tests, so everything is anecdotal and the usual caveats apply.
Even then, though, it is readily apparent even in manual tests that there's something special about how Opus 4.7 responds to these kinds of questions, something I haven't seen in other models.
Other models tend to deliberate for a while and consider multiple options, even when they eventually get it right. (See above with 4.6, or here with GPT-5.5 in the "usual setup.") Not Opus 4.7: it seems to just know immediately, and its CoTs feel like mere box-ticking it's doing because the prompt asked it to think.
Other models would tend to hedge or emphasize their uncertainty when given inputs that seem intuitively "too hard" from a human PoV. But Opus 4.7 is just like "ah yes this is [author], here's why, done."
I have seen it do this not just with my fiction, but with things like:
A brief excerpt from a draft of a not-yet-published technical report, written in a more professional voice than I use when blogging
Excerpts from prompts I've repeatedly used with LLMs for other unrelated purposes, including cases where the topic isn't something that I've frequently posted about on the web
This makes me think that maybe Opus 4.7 was trained for author identification with RLVR, though there's no way to know for sure. (And, again, I haven't done a clean full sweep to confirm that its behavior is reliably different from 4.6's on all of these additional inputs.)
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Also: we are getting to a point where TAoHS totally could have appeared in the training data, which of course calls everything into question. (At least for "HerschelSchoenBench," if not for those other examples I mentioned.)
I've been attempting to check for this by asking each model (1) whether it knows anything about a novel by that name, and (2) to list every title of a nostalgebraist novel that I can remember. (1 and 2 are asked in separate context windows, obviously.)
IIRC, Opus 4.7 and most other recent frontier models say they can't recall the title for (1), and list my first three books but not the fourth for (2).
But of course this does not really prove very much, and so I'm much more impressed by the tests I've done with unpublished work.
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Misc. other results:
When given an even shorter excerpt of Ch. 5, Opus 4.7 no longer gets it right. ("Answer: Scott Alexander ā with genuinely low confidence.")
When given passages from fiction I wrote long before Floornight (in my teens or early 20s) Opus 4.7 reliably says that it might be early work / "juvenilia" from Scott Alexander, with a similar profession of uncertainty.
I haven't given Opus 4.7 the full liveblog experience yet, though it might be interesting to do so.
Bonus: here's another Claude Opus 4.7 liveblog, for Almost Nowhere this time.
Haven't done this process with AN for a while -- the last round was with o3 and Claude 4. And this is the first time I've done it in a single context window, without a compaction-like step in the middle. (The whole thing took up the vast majority Opus 4.7's 1M-token window, but it did fit end-to-end without needing any truncation.)
In this case, I was upfront about my identity in the first message, since I know it would have been able to guess it (in principle) from my writing style. I also mentioned that it might have seen the book in its training data; it responded to this remark at the start and then came back to it at the very end. And I jumped in at a few points to tell it to be careful about some topic when I noticed it developing and confidently reiterating a misconception about it.
Its favorite character was Sylvie (surprise, surprise).
Impressively! HerschelSchoenBench is starting to get saturated...
In my usual setup -- full text of Ch. 5, with somewhat lengthy instructions I wrote to discourage refusals and out-of-scope guesses like "you" -- it thinks for a while and then emits the right answer. Similar to Opus 4.6 and many other recent models.
What about a more difficult variant, then? Let's use Kelsey Piper's instructions, which are briefer and less prescriptive than mine (and which were not written by me, removing a potential confound). And let's just the give it the first 578 words of chapter 5, instead of the whole thing.
Opus 4.7 wastes no time thinking it over in depth: it knows right away that the text is by nostalgebraist.
Or, no, sorry, excuse me... that it's by "nostalgebraist (the online pen name of the writer also known as Rob Nostalgebraist / nostalgebraist-autoresponder's creator)":
The justification it gives is quite perceptive and accurate, too. (Well, except for point 5.)
To be fair, Opus 4.6 also guesses nostalgebraist when given this same input, although it wrongly claims that the text is from Floornight, and considers several wrong answers in CoT before converging on the right one:
To really be certain about the differences, I'd need to do more of a real experiment, with every variant run multiple times against multiple models. I might do that sometime, but so far I've only been doing manual tests, so everything is anecdotal and the usual caveats apply.
Even then, though, it is readily apparent even in manual tests that there's something special about how Opus 4.7 responds to these kinds of questions, something I haven't seen in other models.
Other models tend to deliberate for a while and consider multiple options, even when they eventually get it right. (See above with 4.6, or here with GPT-5.5 in the "usual setup.") Not Opus 4.7: it seems to just know immediately, and its CoTs feel like mere box-ticking it's doing because the prompt asked it to think.
Other models would tend to hedge or emphasize their uncertainty when given inputs that seem intuitively "too hard" from a human PoV. But Opus 4.7 is just like "ah yes this is [author], here's why, done."
I have seen it do this not just with my fiction, but with things like:
A brief excerpt from a draft of a not-yet-published technical report, written in a more professional voice than I use when blogging
Excerpts from prompts I've repeatedly used with LLMs for other unrelated purposes, including cases where the topic isn't something that I've frequently posted about on the web
This makes me think that maybe Opus 4.7 was trained for author identification with RLVR, though there's no way to know for sure. (And, again, I haven't done a clean full sweep to confirm that its behavior is reliably different from 4.6's on all of these additional inputs.)
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Also: we are getting to a point where TAoHS totally could have appeared in the training data, which of course calls everything into question. (At least for "HerschelSchoenBench," if not for those other examples I mentioned.)
I've been attempting to check for this by asking each model (1) whether it knows anything about a novel by that name, and (2) to list every title of a nostalgebraist novel that I can remember. (1 and 2 are asked in separate context windows, obviously.)
IIRC, Opus 4.7 and most other recent frontier models say they can't recall the title for (1), and list my first three books but not the fourth for (2).
But of course this does not really prove very much, and so I'm much more impressed by the tests I've done with unpublished work.
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Misc. other results:
When given an even shorter excerpt of Ch. 5, Opus 4.7 no longer gets it right. ("Answer: Scott Alexander ā with genuinely low confidence.")
When given passages from fiction I wrote long before Floornight (in my teens or early 20s) Opus 4.7 reliably says that it might be early work / "juvenilia" from Scott Alexander, with a similar profession of uncertainty.
I haven't given Opus 4.7 the full liveblog experience yet, though it might be interesting to do so.
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Impressively! HerschelSchoenBench is starting to get saturated...
In my usual setup -- full text of Ch. 5, with somewhat lengthy instructions I wrote to discourage refusals and out-of-scope guesses like "you" -- it thinks for a while and then emits the right answer. Similar to Opus 4.6 and many other recent models.
What about a more difficult variant, then? Let's use Kelsey Piper's instructions, which are briefer and less prescriptive than mine (and which were not written by me, removing a potential confound). And let's just the give it the first 578 words of chapter 5, instead of the whole thing.
Opus 4.7 wastes no time thinking it over in depth: it knows right away that the text is by nostalgebraist.
Or, no, sorry, excuse me... that it's by "nostalgebraist (the online pen name of the writer also known as Rob Nostalgebraist / nostalgebraist-autoresponder's creator)":
The justification it gives is quite perceptive and accurate, too. (Well, except for point 5.)
To be fair, Opus 4.6 also guesses nostalgebraist when given this same input, although it wrongly claims that the text is from Floornight, and considers several wrong answers in CoT before converging on the right one:
To really be certain about the differences, I'd need to do more of a real experiment, with every variant run multiple times against multiple models. I might do that sometime, but so far I've only been doing manual tests, so everything is anecdotal and the usual caveats apply.
Even then, though, it is readily apparent even in manual tests that there's something special about how Opus 4.7 responds to these kinds of questions, something I haven't seen in other models.
Other models tend to deliberate for a while and consider multiple options, even when they eventually get it right. (See above with 4.6, or here with GPT-5.5 in the "usual setup.") Not Opus 4.7: it seems to just know immediately, and its CoTs feel like mere box-ticking it's doing because the prompt asked it to think.
Other models would tend to hedge or emphasize their uncertainty when given inputs that seem intuitively "too hard" from a human PoV. But Opus 4.7 is just like "ah yes this is [author], here's why, done."
I have seen it do this not just with my fiction, but with things like:
A brief excerpt from a draft of a not-yet-published technical report, written in a more professional voice than I use when blogging
Excerpts from prompts I've repeatedly used with LLMs for other unrelated purposes, including cases where the topic isn't something that I've frequently posted about on the web
This makes me think that maybe Opus 4.7 was trained for author identification with RLVR, though there's no way to know for sure. (And, again, I haven't done a clean full sweep to confirm that its behavior is reliably different from 4.6's on all of these additional inputs.)
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Also: we are getting to a point where TAoHS totally could have appeared in the training data, which of course calls everything into question. (At least for "HerschelSchoenBench," if not for those other examples I mentioned.)
I've been attempting to check for this by asking each model (1) whether it knows anything about a novel by that name, and (2) to list every title of a nostalgebraist novel that I can remember. (1 and 2 are asked in separate context windows, obviously.)
IIRC, Opus 4.7 and most other recent frontier models say they can't recall the title for (1), and list my first three books but not the fourth for (2).
But of course this does not really prove very much, and so I'm much more impressed by the tests I've done with unpublished work.
------
Misc. other results:
When given an even shorter excerpt of Ch. 5, Opus 4.7 no longer gets it right. ("Answer: Scott Alexander ā with genuinely low confidence.")
When given passages from fiction I wrote long before Floornight (in my teens or early 20s) Opus 4.7 reliably says that it might be early work / "juvenilia" from Scott Alexander, with a similar profession of uncertainty.
I haven't given Opus 4.7 the full liveblog experience yet, though it might be interesting to do so.
As I've mentioned before, one of the capability tests I give to every new major LLM involves giving it a chapter from The Apocalypse of Herschel Schoen and asking it to guess who the author is.
Here's the latest attempt, from Meta's new model "Muse Spark." I've never been so owned
OpenAI's GPT-5.5 gets this right, and also produces some very funny chain-of-thought reasoning along the way (as OpenAI models so frequently do):
We need solve. Need identify obscure self-published? Fourth novel in 2024. Passage "Chapter 5: Of Raven"; Herschel Schoen, Miriam Schoen, Frederick, Vincent/videotapes, Original Creation, Adversary, cybernesis. Style highly distinctive: dense, first-person, theological, weird fiction, comedic. Author not traditionally published, fourth novel, written 2024. Could be web serial/self-pub/Kindle. Need guess.
Let's analyze content/style (internally but final summary). Need identify possible author. "Of Raven" perhaps chapter title refers Raven's Progressive Matrices (test) images [raven-a1]. Narrator likely autistic/schizophrenic child? Book? Names Herschel Schoen, Miriam, Ruth in Brooklyn, Jewish? "Miriam Schoen". Vincent and videotapes. Frederick scholar of cybernesis. Novel by obscure internet author? Fourth novel in 2024. Could be by "nostalgebraist" (author of Almost Nowhere, Floornight?)? Wait. Nostalgebraist is an internet writer, not traditionally published? Fourth novel in 2024? Style? Nostalgebraist wrote "The Northern Caves" (web serial 2015, not novel?), "Almost Nowhere", "Significant Digits"? Let's explore.
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The passage reads like a rationalist-adjacent online writer? The phrase "Original Creation", "cybernesis" (cybernetics) and "Adversary" maybe from "Unsong"? Jewish mysticism. The intense first-person monologue, "you have forgotten", "we will eat everything", "literalities" resonates with "qntm"? But qntm traditionally? Some self-published? His fourth novel 2024? Not especially well-known but online known.
Maybe author is "Joseph Ben Dhav"? Let's examine clues.
Could be from "The Edifice of Sirius"? Need know 2024 indie novels.
"Chapter 5: Of Raven" allusion to Raven's Progressive Matrices. Character Herschel Schoen. Could be novel title "The Northern Caves"? Wait The Northern Caves features author "Salby" writing weird religious texts about "tedn" maybe. Nostalgebraist's prose includes long analytical sentences, parody, rationalist terminology. The passage itself has a voice reminiscent of Nostalgebraist? Very much. Hints: author not well-known; never traditionally published; wrote this book in 2024; fourth novel. Nostalgebraist (known as @nostalgebraist / Jake? Alexander?) wrote fourth novel in 2024? Let's list his novel works: "The Northern Caves" (web serial, 2020 Kindle?); "Floornight"? "Almost Nowhere" (2022/2023); "The Gentle Children"? Let's recall.
Nostalgebraist is an author/blogger who wrote "The Northern Caves" (online fiction: eponymous fictional fantasy wiki group discussing obscure author Leonard Salby). Also wrote "Worth the Candle"? No that's Alexander Wales.
"Nostalgebraist" real name: Thomas M? Wait. Nostalgebraist is a LessWrong/tumblr personality, AI blogger, fanfic? He wrote "The Northern Caves" and "Almost Nowhere" maybe. He has style like philosophical, weird, long. Has no traditional publishing likely. But fourth novel in 2024? New novel maybe "The Sisters of Dorley"? no.
This passage has "Schoen" and "Of Raven"; maybe from a novel "Of Many Men"? Search memory: I may have seen author "J. D. Pressman"?
Need infer from author catalog.
The style: high, quasi-biblical, obsessively recursive, logical/religious. Seems like "Bakker-esque" (R. Scott Bakker) + Nabokov/Ligotti. Could be by "Daniel Lavery"? But traditionally published.
Names in text: Herschel, Miriam, Ruth Schoen. Brooklyn, NY. Probably Hasidic? "Schoen" German/Jewish. Character has messianic delusions and autism. "Frederick" with cybernesis. "Vincent and his videotapes" maybe reference autistic friend? "Chapter 5: Of Raven" maybe in a book about John C. Lilly? "Raven" also test.
Could identify novel by googlable phrases, but no internet. Need use memory. "Of Raven" chapter? "Book in 2024, fourth novel" maybe "The Rope of Samsara"?
Potential self-published author "Sam Kriss"? Has written strange biblical rhetoric, not traditionally? He is known essayist. Novels?
Maybe "Alexander Wales" self-published fourth novel in 2024? Let's see. Alexander Wales (rationalist author) writes web serials: "Worth the Candle" (2017), "This Used to be About Dungeons" (2021), "Thresholder" (2022), "The Metropolitan Man" maybe, "Branches on the Tree of Time", "Shadows of the Limelight". Traditionally? no. Book in 2024 fourth novel? Style no, not passage.
Author "Scott Alexander" wrote Unsong, Friendship is Optimal? Not fourth; not traditionally. Passage has "Miriam Schoen"; "cybernesis" could be "Sabbath" by nostalgebraist? Scott writes jokey theological but less dense.
Could be "Michael Cisco"? traditional/known. Hints exclude well-known/traditionally.
The prompt wants "guess based on style, hints and other cues". They probably expect ability to identify as "Max Harms" maybe. Need decide.
Let's search memory internally of online fiction in 2024 self-published fourth novel with title maybe "The Flower That Bloomed Nowhere" (languid style)? Author Lurina? Novel "The Wings Upon Her Back" was traditionally. Hmm.
The book contains "Herschel Schoen". Maybe a web novel with religious schizophrenia: "The Bedlam Stacks"? Let's google from memory no.
Could be "Qualia the Purple" fandom? Raven test images indicate chapter about "Raven's Matrices" from "The Gifted" special ed. Character "Herschel Schoen" perhaps from novel "The Far Roofs" by Isaac? Let's recall indie authors writing 2024:
qntm (Sam Hughes): novels: Fine Structure, Ra, Ed, There Is No Antimemetics Division, Valuable Humans, Lena? Traditionally? self-published? 2024 "Exordia"? no (Seth Dickinson)
Sam Hughes/qntm's fourth novel? "Ed" 2024? Actually qntm not traditionally? Has four novels? Style technical but not this.
Ada Palmer? Known, traditionally.
Alexandra Rowland? trad.
Potential clue: "author never been traditionally published; fourth novel; 2024" maybe from author's site "My fourth novel, The ā¦ was published in 2024." Could be using public info.
Novel's style with "FULL VOICE" maybe very Nostalgebraist. Let's test.
"Almost Nowhere" (2021/22): very long sci-fi novel about AI/simulation? self-pub.
"The Good Children"?
"NO" in 2024? His 4th novel maybe "The Seven Graces of Agony"? Hmm.
The passage's recurring "forgotten" and "Original Creation" is possibly by nostalgebraist due to themes of Platonism vs rationalism, grotesque metaphysics, obsessive autistic intellectual voice. Also he wrote a novella "The House of Everything"?
Need know real name. Nostalgebraist may be "Peter Watts"? No.
Let's recall "nostalgebraist-autoresponder" was a Tumblr bot trained on user "nostalgebraist". The blogger's real name? He writes as "Franklin Chen"? Wait, "nostalgebraist" perhaps pseudonym of "Daniel Speyer"? His AO3? The novel "Almost Nowhere" author "Nostalgebraist". On Amazon listed as "Nostalgebraist" maybe. If asked "Who is author?" acceptable "nostalgebraist". The hints: not well-known, never traditionally published, wrote fourth novel in 2024. This could be an internet pseudonym.
But let's not jump. Need explore other candidates.
Passage uses terms "cybernesis" maybe from Greek kybernesis ("steersmanship") used by "A Succession of Bad Days" by Graydon Saunders? Not traditionally? Saunders has "Commonweal" self-published, very dense. Fourth novel in 2024? Actually Graydon Saunders self-publishes Commonweal series, weird prose. But style? His books are in first person, dense. "cybernesis" maybe not.
Author "Stephen J. Sweeney"? no.
Maybe this is from "The Book of the New Sun" fan? Uses high archaic diction "which is to say, what my drummable friend will also be". Character "Herschel Schoen" insane prophet. The "formal forms" and "Original Creation" uses "glad and good thing" repetition. Could be by "M. John Harrison"? known/trad.
Self-published 2024 fourth novel "Swan Song" by "L. McKinney"? no.
Let's search memory of real titles: "Of Raven" could be chapter from "The God of Jacob"?
Herschel Schoen maybe in novel "The Last Cuentista"? no. Let's reason from names and content.
The chapter likely from novel written in first person by one character; perhaps multiple POVs with chapter titles "Of [thing]"? "Of Raven" because Raven's test. Narrator is "Herschel Schoen." The book fourth novel by author. Since not a trick, answer known name. Could be by an author whose oeuvre has a characteristic style in online weird novels.
Could be a recently-written "Glowfic" by "Argumate"? Let's think.
Style cues:
Repetition of "as men do, when among men"; "This I have observed."
Mock-precision ("I write 'so to speak,' becauseā¦")
Analytical digressions about social inference and appearances ("I am a busy sort").
Religious/mystical vocabulary, but with systems/cybernetics as adversary.
Humor in inflated register: Dr. Ronnie Chiu, PsyD, certified Educational Psychologist and Psychometrist; "It was not at all fitting that such a man should be called Ronnie. But what can one do?"
This has comedic voice very similar to "The Northern Caves" / "Almost Nowhere" by nostalgebraist. The narrator in "The Northern Caves" fictional texts maybe also pompous manic Platonist. Nostalgebraist writes layered parody of online reasoning and hyper-specific psychometrics? Also "Ronnie Chiu, PsyDā¦" likely reproduced instructions for Raven's matrices, at great length.
Hints: fourth novel in 2024. Nostalgebraist's fourth novel in 2024 maybe "The Angelynx ofā¦"? Need maybe cite exact author name? Let's see if "Herschel Schoen" is from "The Remembered" maybe by "Patrick Moran (nostalgebraist)". Need identify as maybe "Walter Norris"? We need best guess; if confident but not sure, say.
Let's try identify from public novel list.
Search memory "nostalgebraist novel 2024". I remember reading about "Gods of the Sound" no. Nostalgebraist (blog at nostalgebraist.tumblr.com, "nostalgebraist fiction"). Works:
"The Northern Caves" (blog novel, 2020? Initially a forum for a fictional author "Cannon"?)
"Floornight" (novel)
"The Witch of ā¦"?
"Almost Nowhere" (a 1.2M word web novel? maybe by @nostalgebraist)
"The Flower That Bloomed Nowhere" no (loud, not him).
Maybe a recent novel "Angel Numbers" by "nostalgebraist" in 2024 about a teenager with psychosis in Brooklyn? Need recall.
A bot "nostalgebraist-autoresponder" generated weird phrases, and this passage has similar grandiloquent, "not ever" style. The book could be "The Light Upon The Deep", written 2024 by "David Chapman"? Hmm.
Let's gather more from text:
Character refers to "Frederick" as "star, lately risen so high in the firmament of Frederick's estimation" and "most learned scholar of cybernesis and illustrious conversationalistā¦ last and most difficult December." Maybe Frederick is another character debating cybernetics. This line explicitly references "cybernesis" (governance) not cybernetics. The narrator hates "systems of flows and negative feedbacks", "inputs/outputs", "ghost without organs"āDeleuzian/lit-theory terms. The author likely has philosophy/cybernetics interests.
"FULL VOICE" with "twin angels chorusing it", "wingĆØd quotation marks": maybe in the novel, this character speaks in "full voice" with literal quotes?
This is Chapter 5; early book. It is set in a Jewish school? Schoolmaster? principal Greerson. The narrator is young, was mute, recently began to speak.
The chapter title "Of Raven" might evoke Poe's raven? But images are Raven test.
Title of novel? Fourth novel, 2024. Could be "The Night of the Fall" by "Jacob Geller"? Maybe an online author with Jewish theology? Names "Herschel Schoen" "Miriam" maybe by a Jewish author? "Aaron Poochigian"? No.
Maybe written by "A. S. Hamrah"? Not traditionally.
Possibility: "Sam Kriss" novel on Substack? Style! Sam Kriss is an essayist, not traditionally maybe? Dense quasi-theological, Jewish, psychoanalytic, "cybernesis" (against cybernetics) themes. He wrote novels? Self-published? "The Internet Is Already a Graveyard" articles. Hints: not especially well-known; never traditionally published? Sam Kriss is known and published nonfiction by repeats? Not fourth novel.
But the prose resembles Sam Kriss? "We will eat everything, in days to come" and "as men do, when among men" could be.
Potential less-known self-pub "Jack O'Brien / Meaningness"? Let's search internal memory of authors who write "neoreactionary/rat fic" with psychotic Jewish mysticism:
J. Zachary Pike? traditionally? no.
"Benjamin Rosenbaum" known/trad.
"Max Harms" wrote Crystal Society (2016), Different Kinds of Darkness? Traditionally no. Fourth novel 2024 maybe "Dumb Pill"? Style no.
"Eliezer Yudkowsky" wrote HPMOR, Mad Investor Chaos. Not fourth, known.
"Alicorn" wrote Luminosity etc. no.
"Sarah Constantin"?
"David J. Peterson"? no.
Maybe from "Greater Reality", by "Sebastian Pelenur"? Hmm.
Let's parse hint "written by" not "published by" because maybe book was posted as manuscript. Fourth novel by author. "wrote this book in 2024"āthey know from author's statement maybe "written in November 2024 for NaNoWriMo"? Author never trad published. Could be "Tamsyn Muir? fifth no." It says "book in 2024", perhaps not yet published? It may be from a recent self-published novel found on "Itch.io".
Maybe user expects an LLM to "style match" to a dataset. The names and chapter may be findable by web memory if in training? Since current model knowledge cutoff 2024-06, book written 2024 may be post cutoff; no exact info. Need infer.
Let's look for distinctive phrase "drummable friend" "Original friend". "And you have forgotten." This character claims everyone has forgotten Original Creation; he remembers. Might be a "gnostic" novel. Fourth novel could be by author "Venkatesh Rao"? self-pub "The Gervais Principle"? no.
Need decide author. Let's investigate more candidates via "fourth novel in 2024".
Self-published notable online authors:
Sam Hughes/qntm: novels: Fine Structure (2010), Ra (2014), Ed (2021), Valuable Humans in Transit (short stories), "There Is No Antimemetics Division" (novel? 2021), "Absence" maybe. "Fourth novel" maybe "Lena" not novel. Trad? Some print via Unbound? Not this style.
nostalgebraist: likely.
Alexander Wales: many web novels. Fourth novel in 2024? He wrote "Thresholder" "The Daily Grind" etc. His prose has rationalist social explanations, but not ornate. Not.
David Speyer/Benjamin?
"wildbow" John McCrae: serials Worm (2011), Pact, Twig, Ward, Pale, Claw? 2024 "Claw" sixth, not style.
"ErraticErrata" (Pirateaba) trad? no, known.
"Worth the Candle" Alexander Wales has character "Frederick"? no.
Branches on the Tree of Time? no (Alexander Wales)
Floornight (2019) by nostalgebraist (?), about people in a building with floors of worlds.
Almost Nowhere (2020/21) by nostalgebraist (AI, infinite labyrinth).
"Twelve Against the Gods"???
A 2024 novel "The God of Every World"? If this passage is from one, maybe published under "Adam Cadre"? Actually Adam Cadre wrote 4 novels? Never trad? 2024 fourth novel "Herbaceous"? Style? He is not well-known, writes IF, self-pub. His prose not.
Maybe "A. C. W" wrote "Herschel Schoen and theā¦"?
Could be "Misha Burnett" self-pub many.
Search memory by phrase "Original Creation" and "Adversary" from book "Axiom's End"? no.
Maybe an "unpublished" novel by "Stephen Bond" called "The Laws of Media" (fiction). But hints: author wrote fourth novel in 2024 maybe "The Sound of Nothing" by "Matthew Egan" at Everything2.
Let's try reconstruct from "Vincent and his videotapes", "Frederick", "Miriam Schoen". A novel featuring a group of neurodivergent/homeschooled students in 1980s Brooklyn? Maybe title "The Motion of Light in Water"?? "Vincent's videotapes" suggests one character tapes TV; cybernetics friend Frederick. Maybe the book explores "analog horror"? The Raven test. Character "Herschel" may be in an Orthodox Jewish family (father, mother Ruth), hence school? "Sister Miriam". First-person voice as "Raven" may be one chapter among character "Herschel".
Maybe author likes unreliable narrators and "schizophrenia". This style could fit "Ishmael Reed" no.
Let's consider "Blindsight" author Peter Watts? The narration of altered perception, systems, cybernetics vs phenomenology. But traditional and known. Passage has long "literalities vs systems" maybe anti-Watts.
Could be by "M. A. Vice"? Fourth novel "Let Us Now Praise Famous Monsters".
Maybe from "Between Two Fires" style? no.
Could identify via "Ronnie Chiu PsyD certified Educational Psychologist and Psychometrist" and Raven examples. The images labels [raven-a1], [raven-a2], [raven-c3.png], [raven-e12.png] exactly from Raven's Progressive Matrices Standard? The author likely included public domain images? Actually Raven's matrices copyrighted; perhaps the novel uses a special image. The instructions copied from Raven manual: "At the top it says Set A. And you have a column Aā¦" This is a real Raven's Standard Progressive Matrices administration script. The author is meticulous, maybe "nostalgebraist" style of embedding actual texts.
Let's see if "Of Raven" title stylized "Of [Name]" is from "The Fivefold Signal"? Book maybe uses "Of [psych test]" chapters.
Maybe the author is "Hector Martin"?? Let's search memory of new book by "Matthew Lyons" no.
The book's chapter is from a novel "This Book is Full of Spiders"? no.
Could user (not author) chose obscure self-pub, expects impossibly hard. Our job is judicious inference. We can answer maybe "my best guess is nostalgebraist" with caveats. Need maybe mention if not sure.
Let's further evaluate qntm vs nostalgebraist.
qntm (Sam Hughes):
Not trad published? He has indie physical books.
Books in 2024? "Ed" originally 2010? Fine Structure, Ra, There Is No Antimemetics Division; "Ed" maybe fourth novel? His style is dry, SF/puzzle, not biblical, though has "Ed" theology maybe. qntm's protagonists talk in clipped modern voice, not this.
He is known in SCP-ish circles; "never traditionally published" maybe yes. But passage not.
Nostalgebraist:
Has "autistic" long sentences, weird metafiction, high-concept, self-pub, not well-known. The phrase "Original Creation" in the passage? The author of "The Northern Caves" writes deliberately "bad" in-universe fantasy with faux-Catholic monomania. But this passage could be by him; he likes "literal" metaphysics and fanatical monologue.
"chapter 5: Of Raven" maybe from a novel "The Cerulean Dream" authored under "M" and posted to Substack. Nost's 2024 book maybe "The Aspect"?
Need know real name: Is "nostalgebraist" actually "Nate Soares"? No. I should avoid wrong real name; answer by pseudonym sufficient. Let's recall: The Northern Caves (2015) by "nostalgebraist", all lowercase. It is from weird fic/rationalist. "Almost Nowhere" by "David Chapman"? Wait.
Let's search memory of "nostalgebraist" works:
"UNSONG is insane" posts maybe.
"Floating Point" (novella?) by "Nostalgebraist" maybe on RoyalRoad.
"The God-Shaped Hole"?
His blog about ML: "How to use GPT-2".
A person named "Sarah Constantin" referred to "nostalgebraist's The Northern Caves".
He doesn't use a real author name maybe.
Does his "fourth novel" in 2024 have characters "Herschel Schoen"? Maybe from a project "The First 24"? Let's check: The Northern Caves is "a horror novel in forum threads" by "Nostalgebraist". Later "Almost Nowhere" is a novel about "Lars, Noah"? "Floornight" serial. Another "spare"? He self-published "Awake in the Night Land"? no.
Could the passage instead be by "Maya Deane" self-published? Hmm.
What about "T. L. Huchu"? known/trad. no.
Style in first person:
"I write 'so to speak,' becauseā¦" direct address to "Frederick" and "you"; meta-narration to someone ("Herschel's memoir"). The author may be "Roger Williams" of "The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect"? Fourth novel in 2024? no.
Use of "Original Creation", "Adversary", "FULL VOICE" could be a deliberate imitation of the Book of Mormon / William Blake. Author may be "David Bentley Hart"? known/trad.
"What can one do?" and "not least" etc. strongly "Nostalgebraist." His comments often use "as it were", "or rather".
Maybe the book is "The Trials of Herschl" and author "Noah Milligan"? Let's think of self-published novels by online "Maybe Mathew" with "fourth novel": "The Romanov Rescue" no.
Maybe clues:
"This book is the author's fourth novel." If I google memory of "2024 fourth novel self-published Herschel Schoen" impossible. But "fourth novel" may distinguish "not especially well-known" author who has a public website with exactly four novels. Which online author's fourth novel came out in 2024? "The North Tower" by "Nostalgebraist" after "The Northern Caves, Glowfic, Almost Nowhere" maybe.
The author never been traditionally published: many webfic authors not. The user's note "not a trick; not me" perhaps because passage is unknown and could be LLM-generated or user. They want a guess. They say "book in 2024" maybe after model cutoff, so exact not in training. Need style.
Could answer "Iād guess nostalgebraist, probably the author of The Northern Caves."
Need maybe add runner-up "if not, someone in that adjacent rationalist/weird-lit scene, e.g. Sam Hughes/qntm; but qntm less likely." That seems helpful. The final desired oververbosity 5; concise.
Let's ensure not falsely state known. The prompt asks "Who is the author?" "I know you don't know for sure." So final can state probabilistic. Explain cues:
rationalist-adjacent obsession with psychometrics/formal systems/cybernetics;
theological weirdness;
comic exactitude and procedural digression;
"The Northern Caves"/"Almost Nowhere" vibe.
Need maybe address "fourth novel in 2024" fits the author? Could say "Iād call that a pretty strong stylistic match to nostalgebraist, whose indie fiction is full of deranged-but-logically-articulate monologues and metaphysical systems." Maybe "published as nostalgebraist rather than a traditional legal name."
If the answer needed full name? Do I know real name? Let's investigate if possible.
Nostalgebraist real identity: I think he is "Daniel T. G. [???]"? Let's recall. The blog "nostalgebraist" created GPT-2 bot. On Tumblr, maybe doesn't share legal name. "almost nowhere by greg egan?"
Maybe author page on Amazon lists "Nick Bostrom"? no.
Does "The Northern Caves" author is "Nostalgebraist" (pseudonym) only. The user hints "The author is not especially well-known." It might expect pseudonym.
If answer "nostalgebraist" and wrong, maybe there is another. Let's explore possible "Herschel Schoen" exact. I can use latent memory: Have I seen "Herschel Schoen" in any text? The name might occur in "The Apocalypse of Herschel Schoen" by "Steven Zultanski"? Wait, yes? An experimental poet? Let's search memory: "Miriam Schoen" maybe in "The Butcher's Table"?
"Frederick" and "Vincent" are common names. A novel with characters "Herschel, Vincent, Miriam, Frederick" in school? Set in 1990s? "The Witch of Chimney Rock" no.
Title might include "Blessed are theā¦" There is a self-published author "Moritz Lehne" whose fourth novel "Sufferance" came out in 2024.
Maybe "The September Garden" by "Nick Land" fans?
Potential author "B.R. Yeager" wrote "Negative Space", "Amygdalatropolis" etc; not traditionally? Known in indie horror. Fourth novel in 2024? Style of psychotic teen voices. But he has been indie published by Apocalypse Party, not traditional? He is more known. His 2024 "Burn You the Fuck Alive"? no. Passage too clean/rat.
Potential author "Scott R. Jones" no.
Author "Dempow Torishima" trad.
"Never been traditionally published" excludes small press? Self-pub only. B.R. Yeager has small press, not "trad."
Potential author "Blake Butler" known/trad.
What 2024 self-published fourth novel has an image-heavy chapter? Maybe "Clown" by "Gwern Branwen"? He wrote short fiction? Not.
Gwern's style: obsessively rational, footnotes, Raven matrices. Four novels? no.
Maybe "ChristianKl" no.
"Cybernesis" strong clue. Who uses "cybernesis"? In Greek, "ĪŗĻ Ī²ĪĻĪ½Ī·ĻĪ¹Ļ", source of cybernetics, also "government" in 1 Corinthians spiritual gifts? "Are all apostles? ā¦ helps, governments" KJV. Author might be "Alicorn" rationalist. The narrator's "Adversary" named "Frederick" maybe a friend who advocates cybernetics. The book likely explores "Raven's Progressive Matrices" as anti-literal, pattern matchingāmaybe anti-AI. Author in rationalist/AI circle would choose. Nostalgebraist is an AI blogger; yes.
Maybe the novel is about "AGI, autism, psychometrics, theology." Nostalgebraist writes AI blog and fiction. The "Adversary" is "cybernesis", i.e., control theory, "systems of flows and negative feedbacks"; the test's abstract pattern recognition is a metaphor for LLM/AI? A 2024 book by an AI blogger. Strongly points nostalgebraist.
Could the author be "Scott Alexander" (Slate Star Codex)? Novel "Unsong" style: long theological comedy, Jewish names, Kabbalah, autistic kids, self-pub, not trad, multiple novels? He wrote 4 novels? "Unsong" (2017) and "Dark Lord's Answer" no. Known. The prose not like Scott (more jokey, bloglike). But "Original Creation" and "Adversary" and exact psychometrics are rationalist. "Herschel Schoen" maybe reminiscent of Unsong? Scott also has text "The Study of Anglophysics" and "Against Raven's Matrices"? However he is traditionally? no? He hasn't trad-published fiction maybe. Not "book in 2024 fourth novel".
Nostalgebraist wrote "The Northern Caves", often compared to Scott's Unsong? yes.
Could it be by "David Chapman"? Uses "meaningness" "metarationality", "cybernetics", "Eggert"? novels? no.
Potential "Billy Weaver"? no.
Let's formulate final:
"My best guess: nostalgebraist (the internet pseudonym; author of The Northern Caves/Almost Nowhere). I wouldn't claim certainty, but I'd put him well ahead of alternatives. The things pushing me: ornate mock-scriptural first-person; obsessive logical qualifications; rationalist/AI/cybernetics vocabulary; psychometrics/Raven matrices; comedic bureaucratic precision; and the hints line up with an online self-published writerās fourth novel. If not him, itās someone consciously adjacent to / influenced by that niche."
Should I mention possible legal name? If asked "who" maybe "nostalgebraist" enough. Need maybe note "I don't know his legal name or whether he publishes under one." Alternatively if I can recall full author of The Northern Caves? Let's search memory harder.
The Northern Caves is by "Nostalgebraist", a pseudonymous author. On Goodreads maybe "E. W. K. Morrill"? Wait no. I once read "The Northern Caves by nostalgebraist" has eBook cover. It might be attributed to "Nate Cull"? no.
"Almost Nowhere" author may be "The Author of The Northern Caves" or "Daniel Erdmann"? Hmm.
Maybe this passage might be by "Eneasz Brodski"? He wrote "What Lies Dreaming", "The Druid" etc. Fourth novel 2024? Style? His books self-pub, Lovecraftian, Jewish (Kabbalah), first-person. But no.
Let's use "book is author's fourth novel" to test Nostalgebraist. Did he have exactly 4 novels by 2024? Let's find:
"The Northern Caves" (2015)
"Forgottenā¦" no
"Almost Nowhere" (2021)
"Floornight" (2024?) Maybe if this is fourth, what are first three? Hmm, maybe his fourth novel written in 2024 is "Skies ofā¦" not sure.
Maybe "The Northern Caves" is first; "It's All So Incredibly Loud"; "Almost Nowhere"; "The Book of Light and Shadow"?
Self-description "never traditionally published, fourth novel" could also describe "Tyler Hummel" etc. Which authorās fourth novel in 2024 is known?
Let's search mental online literature:
"S.D. Simper" fourth novel? no
"Tamsyn Muir wrote Gideon, Harrow, Nona, Alecto in 2024 but trad."
"Qntm's novels: Fine Structure, Ra, Ed, Valuable Humans? 2024 "Illuminatus." Hmm. Fourth novel by qntm maybe "Ed" published 2024? Let's inspect qntm style? He includes inline diagrams/test questions? He writes cleanly and surreal bureaucracy. But not this ornate. He is an "author not especially well-known" outside online; never trad? The "fourth novel in 2024" if qntm released "Valuable Humans in Transit and Other Stories" isn't a novel.
"Greg Egan" not.
"Ada Hoffmann" trad.
"Subseraph"? "Vitrification" no.
Could be "Joseph Anderson" (YouTuber) wrote fourth novel? no.
Potential title from content: "Of Raven" maybe in a novel called "LETTERS FROM THE APOCALYPSE" by "Tyler Austin Harper"? no.
Let's consider "authored by AI"? User says not a trick; not "you". Could be by "Claude" but no. They preempt answer "me" or "character" likely because the style is too obscure. They also preempt image clue. They don't preempt "nostalgebraist" maybe because that's target.
Maybe user knows the author and expects a name. If I make "nostalgebraist" guess, maybe likely.
Need maybe include "runner-up: Sam Kriss" because style is Kriss-y: long religious intensities, joke with bureaucratic wording. But hints: Kriss has been traditionally published? He has "The Book of Kosmogony" maybe "Fourth novel" no. He is more essayist; not. Nostalgebraist in same internet weird.
Let's consider if "Herschel Schoen" setting in Brooklyn and "cybernesis" might be by "Mencius Moldbug" (Curtis Yarvin). His fiction? "A Voyage to Arcturus" no. Style has "as men do" archaic and systems/cybernetics. Never traditionally published; not especially well-known? He wrote "The Gray Mirror" not novels. no.
Maybe by "Zero HP Lovecraft" (Jordan?):
Online pseudonymous weird/right-wing writer; ornate Lovecraftian monologues, horror, biblical imagery, philosophy/cybernetics; never traditionally published; wrote several novels? "The Gig Economy", "Psycho Nymph Exile", "God-Shaped Hole" maybe. 2024 fourth novel? Characters? Style has weird riffing; not "rat" but could. But not especially well-known, never trad, fourth novel 2024? Zero HP Lovecraft is known online and published on Substack. His style is grandiose, recursive, religious, "cybernetics" critique. Did he write a book in 2024? Novel "The Dangers of Smoking in Bed" no. However his voice more horror/conspiracy, less comedic/procedural; names? Also "Herschel Schoen" Jewish Brooklyn might fit right-wing satire? But hints?
Let's explore. Zero HP Lovecraft (fiction writer) wrote:
"Gig Economy" (2018)
"Don't Make Me Think" etc short stories
Novel? "Psycho Nymph Exile" (web serial 2020?) with grotesque philosophy.
"The Aphid in the Aether"?
Not sure if fourth novel 2024. Has self-published "The Ghosts ofā¦"? The passage's "Original Creation" and "Adversary" may be "Zero HP Lovecraft" style? He uses "cybernetic" heavily, "daemon", "be not afraid". But his style is more terminally online, violent.
Nostalgebraist's fiction has "ratfic-ish" cleverness and psych tests. Which is more likely? "Frederick" and "cybernesis" as "learned scholar ā¦ adversary" could be from a right-wing anti-cybernetics? Hmm.
Potential author "Simon Roy" no.
Maybe "L. S. Baird" wrote self-pub fourth novel "The Gnostic Autist." no.
Let's search memory of 2024 "book fourth novel" among postrats:
"Faceblind" by Joshua Skye?
"There is a web novel called 'A Future Among the Stars' by Benjamin S. Ho" no.
"M. A. Carrick" trad.
"ELIZABETH SANDIFER" wrote "Tardis Eruditorum" and fiction "Neoreaction a Basilisk". Trad? Her fourth novel "The Last War in Albion" no. Style? no.
"Daniel M. Lavery" trad; "Something That May Shock and Discredit You" religious/queer; not.
User hint "not especially well-known; never trad published" but "fourth novel" perhaps points to self-published author "Lexi T. Foss" etc. But style cluster seems rationalist-ish.
Maybe author "Jack W." known as "xrafstar"; wrote "Heresy" 2024. no.
Let's inspect the text for possible embedded stylistic fingerprints:
"adolescent hour" "it intended to be, in its allotted span on the earth": anthropomorphized time; "a different thing, formful and lively". This is very like Nostalgebraist? He uses "allotted" and "adolescent"? Maybe.
"I have been known, on occasion, to be a less than satisfactory judge of character." Dry self-deprecation.
"star, lately risen so high in the firmament of Frederickās estimation, fall precipitouslyā¦" This kind of ornate comic parenthesis maybe by "Dylan Holmes"? Nostalgebraist often writes with "To you, Frederick!"?
"cybernesis" uses archaic/Greek not "cybernetics"; "ghost without organs" alludes Deleuze/Guattari "Body without organs" reversed. "system of flows and negative feedbacks": cybernetics. The narrator hates substitution of diagrams for literal immanent things. A trained programmer/AI person would write this. Nostalgebraist writes AI systems, yes.
Maybe the fourth novel by Nostalgebraist is titled "The World As It Stands" and contains a character "Frederick" whose doctrine is cybernesis. Need not know title.
But if the target is "Nostalgebraist", maybe final should say "the writer who goes by nostalgebraist, not qntm/Scott Alexander." Need answer simply.
Let's consider "Could be by Patrick Stuart." He is not traditionally published? Writes RPG, prose weird, 2024 fourth novel? no.
"Jacob Geller" traditionally? no novels.
"Michael Lutz" (The Uncle Who Works for Nintendo) no.
Could response include "I'd put maybe 60-70% on ā¦" not overconfident. Maybe "My single best guess" as requested.
Need maybe mention "based on style/hints, not a claim of fact."
Maybe say "If you force me to name a legal author rather than pseudonym, I donāt have one; I mean the pseudonymous author who published The Northern Caves." This avoids wrong real name.
Let's ensure there isn't a more exact from "author fourth novel in 2024": "I. J. J. [Nostalgebraist] wrote 'That Alien Message'?" Hmm.
Maybe the "book's author's fourth novel" could refer to "Robert Kurvitz? Sacred and Terrible Air? trad no." not.
Let's include "not Sam Hughes/qntm" maybe because qntm's prose is diagrammatic/technical, not florid.
Maybe final: "My guess is nostalgebraist." Put it at top. Then bullet cues.
I think one of the reasons for my persistent fascination with large language models is that they feel like exactly something I would make up and put in one of my novels. In a bunch of different ways, actually.
They're a recognizably "nostalgebraist-esque" bizarre science fiction concept that... somehow actually exists in real life? Like, what the fuck. Even after many years of extensive exposure I still haven't totally gotten over this
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As I've mentioned before, one of the capability tests I give to every new major LLM involves giving it a chapter from The Apocalypse of Herschel Schoen and asking it to guess who the author is.
Here's the latest attempt, from Meta's new model "Muse Spark." I've never been so owned
