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Regina Mills (Once Upon a Time) vs. Toriel (Undertale / Deltarune)
Regina Mills
Toriel
Remaining time: 6 days 20 hours
Propaganda below the cut:
Regina Mills:
The literal embodiment of evil is a man and is forgiven as soon as he says “I’m good now” even though he could see the future and manipulated her mom to be able to manipulate her enough to cast a curse, but she’s an awful person/mother when she’s basically sacrificed her life for her kid and he let his fall into a portal. I could go on.
See above - the embodiment of evil had to manipulate two generations to hurt her enough to cast the curse. She has a massive heart and has been abused her entire life. She needs a hug, cocoa, and some good therapy.
Fans hate on Regina, a Latina woman of color, for things they give the white and male characters a pass for. Fans threw tantrums whenever the 'hero' characters forgave or befriended her and insisted she should apologize to them more (when she already did and saved their lives many times over) and be deferential to the (white) characters instead of being such a 'bitch' who dares to be angry and upset about the bad things that happen to her. Fans refuse to engage with her backstory as a victim of forced marriage and insist to this day that her killing her abusive husband was wrong and a murder "in cold blood." Fans downplay her role as the co-protagonist of the show and whine when she gets focus. Fans call her an abusive mother even though she was actually a very good mother who just made a few mistakes and downplay her connection to her adopted son as less 'real' than his biological family's connection to him. But fundamentally what fandom most hates about her is that she got the redemption arc and narrative focus reserved for the Spikes and Zukos and Anakins of the world while being a woman of color.
Regina starts off as the villain of the story and ends up as the hero. In almost any other show she would have been killed off but for all its flaws OUAT knew it struck gold with her and allowed her to shine. She is also incredibly funny.
Toriel:
GOD FORBID A MOTHER OF A TEENAGER ENJOY A GLASS OF WINE AND THE COMPANY OF ANOTHER ADULT ONE TIME INSTEAD OF ALWAYS BEING A MOTHER RATHER THAN A FULLY REALIZED PERSON.
Toriel is frequently flattened by fans into being The Perfect Mother character. When she strays away from that and showcases character flaws and flaws in her parenting, she is immediately criticized and treated like the worst person alive. People say she is a nuanced character but they dont actually want to see that in action. They also for some reason believe that "perfect mothers" exist and that when Toriel isn't one, she is abusive and neglectful. There's a lack of thought and concern put into her character by fans to the point where Toby Fox (writer/developer) on a stream had to say "your family in Deltarune loves you" because people were concerned that she was somehow a bad mom because she cannot read her child's mind. She is criticized whereas her ex husband who spends more time harassing her and believing he can "make everything right again" and get back together with her - despite her expressing clear disinterest - than he does spending time with their child. He didnt even know they have problems, whereas Toriel pays enough attention to them to know something is wrong and is happy to see them with a friend. Communication is a two way street but for some reason Toriel is expected to have all the answers. Oh yeah, and she's supposedly somehow the devil who was "taking their kid away from her ex husband" and then that was proven wrong by him not spending time with their child.
Rarely do we see mother characters given nuance or as more fleshed out characters. Toriel was created as a response to the way that mothers are so often demeaned and treated with zero importance in video games, and she is there to make you consider her feelings. She isn't perfect, but she is traumatized and bound to her motherhood and the loss of her children and it informs her actions in Undertale. In Deltarune, she is again a loving mother, but is criticized far too harshly for her mistakes. And yes, she makes mistakes. But everyone does, its only natural. There is no such thing as a perfect mother, and Toriel always exemplifies this. But she tries her best and cares so much, and remains a really compelling character across both iterations. She deserves better than to be hit with a weird madonna/where complex for mothers.
Skyler White (Breaking Bad) vs. Padme Amidala (Star Wars)
Skyler White
Padme Amidala
Remaining time: 6 days 20 hours
Propaganda below the cut:
Skyler White:
she ‘got in the way’ of Walt doing murders, cooking, meth, and didn’t respect he was doing all these crimes and emotionally and physically abusing her for the ‘good of the family’. Essentially called her an evil bitch for not wanting to be exposed to danger and thinking her husband is a bad person because he couldn’t swallow his pride and take the cushy job his successful friend offered in order to pay for his cancer treatment and instead decided to cook meth and kill people. Oh and she cheated with an old flame (again because of Walt’s crime and abuse) but that’s worse I guess.
She’s literally just a normal woman who reacts to things the way a normal woman would and people lost their fucking minds about it. Hell she even helped Walt launder the money with a car wash like she set that shit all up herself and he and the fans still hated her.
obvious choice but skyler is ROUTINELY called the worst character in breaking bad and has been since like 2008. any conflict in the show and there will be people insisting she has some fault just because she "is annoying". also an eternal victim of "i don't like her because she reminds me of my mom"
breaking bad is the most fun show ever if you learn to love skyler white. her immediate suspicion of walter and constant attempts to support her family both with and against him are vindicating. she's smart, much more business savvy than him and a better liar. constantly looked down upon in-universe but explicitly uses it to her advantage at every step. she is awesome
Walter white is the worst human being in the entire show and everyone was like “she’s awful for trying to get him to stop manufacturing drugs.” Let’s not even mention the fact that he almost rapes her in the first season while she’s like eight months pregnant and no one ever talks about it ever.
She’s actually pretty cool and has the best line that no one ever quotes: “someone has to protect this family from the man who protects this family.”
She's one of THE poster children for fandom misogyny victims. People reduced her to being Walt's bitch wife as if she wasn't a) 100% in the right in every argument against him b) better at doing crime than him to an extent that's straight up hysterically funny.
As I said, she's actually really really good at doing crime and there's something inherently very entertaining about watching this completely normal housewife/office worker turning out to be really good at money laundering and negotiating with criminals and coming up with cover stories. She has a failed writing career that she appears to be using coming up with cover stories for her husband's meth dealing as an outlet for, which is also really funny. She literally writes a script for him to use. There's also a really hilarious scene where the show cuts to Skyler on the wikipedia page for "money laundering" that made me laugh really hard. We love a wikipedia warrior.
The fandom blames her for all the problems that her husband Walter faces and calls her the worst character despite there being literal nazis and cartel members in the show. They also call her a slut, bitch, etc, even though the things she's done are not even comparable to the horrific actions that the male characters do.
She is smart as hell and strong asf for putting up with Walter's bullshit. Amazing at thinking on her feet. Isn't given enough credit for her intelligence and strength
Famously called a bitch by many brba fans for simply not being cool with her husband cooking meth and killing people
Where to even start… According to fandom, cheating on the husband who refuses to divorce you is magnitudes worse than murder and running a drug empire. Every criticism of Skyler I see boils down to the "nagging housewife" trope. She's not perfectly subservient so she must be evil and terrible. And yet Walt is cool and suave… okayyyyy…
Skyler is literally a human being who reacts perfectly rationally to the situation she finds herself unwillingly facing. That old man should have died in the car wash.
Maybe the most famous victim of fandom misogyny ever. Fandom acts like she was worse than Walt because she didn't want him to make meth.
Skyler wanted what was best for her family. Unlike Walt, she truly broke bad for her family. She made tough choices, not always good ones, but she was an abuse victim in a very unusual position. She is also great at lying and schemes.
Padme Amidala:
Her agency keeps getting taken away so that she is either a perfect angel who never did anything wrong ever and probably got mind-controlled into making bad choices, or she's an abusive racist groomer, and there's zero in-between. And that's if people acknowledge her in any real way or not, especially since canon likes to ignore her as much as possible.
Padme is such a compelling and relatable character, she wants so badly to help people and is GOOD at helping people, but she's basically a gifted kid who got caught up in the system and now has no idea how to ask for what she wants in a healthy way and is such a people pleaser that she has no idea how to say no when anyone asks her for anything. But she's also so desperate for something of her own that she starts an incredibly toxic secret relationship with a guy she knows is bad news and then is shocked when it goes badly. She covers for him more than once when he murders people because she wants to badly to believe in the fantasy that her love can fix him. She's not a GREAT person, but she's struggling through so many of the same things a lot of girls and women struggle with these days, and I wish she was allowed to actually have that nuance acknowledged even once.
It was a kiss between a man and his wife, and when it was over, the king closed his eyes and rested his forehead against the hollow of the queen’s shoulder, like a man seeking respite, like a man reaching home at the end of the day.
hi, i'm very cool and normal about these books, don't worry about me
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8. What is your favorite line/section from [insert fic]?
ok so i couldn't choose just one since it's so long but here are some faves, starting with my fave funny line:
You’ve always been lying to her, but this feels different, like crossing a line you can’t come back from. Like your own personal Rubik’s cube, you tell Alex. You mean Rubicon, she says. Okay, whatever, history was never your best subject.
my fave line of dialogue which contains jabs at both the whole premise of non nocere and also at certain baffling developments in s6:
"I was being foolish and arrogant. To think that I could wave my hand like a…a witch from a children’s book, and all the world’s problems would be magically resolved. Pure nonsense. The dream of a child who has yet to understand how the world works.”
my fave tiny description which i really like for the imagery:
You look at your feet, scuffing the ice with your sun-red boots.
and lastly my 2 fave ending lines:
And if sometimes you think you see a glimmer of fear or unease in her eyes when she looks at you, well – you’re probably just imagining it.
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Two women in a protest against the Israeli Occupation. One Palestinian, one Israeli, standing together with handmade signs calling for an end to the occupation and for shared liberation, 1980s.
it was almost certainly just a writing error but it is still SO funny that when asked for a description of buffy in "the girl in question" angel gives a description of darla instead. ok king i see you
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