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Just spinning some ideas here but thinking about that last ask and Shane and loneliness...
Thinking about how Shane loves a secret. I think Shane loves feeling Special. I think that plays into how he feels about his race, about his sexuality, about his relationship.
I think it's exciting to Shane, even while being painful, to have all these secrets bubbling underneath his persona. He gets something out of being withholding. Not really in his relationship with Ilya once it's a real relationship, but in his relationship with the world. I imagine Shane walking through the world with this experience of dual consciousness / self-objectification / self-cinemization.
John Berger talked a little about this in Ways of Seeing but there was a feminist essay I read once that I have never been able to find again (if you think you know it PLEASE tell me) that was about the idea of cinemization, and the idea that in the 21st century we're all soaked in narrative image and this changes how we imagine ourselves in the world. We (esp women) have a movie camera in our brains---the example here is the "riding the bus and imagining you're in a music video" experience. We all relate to that, that feeling of self-narrativization, of imagining your own life as narrative art in real time. And then that changes your behavior. Oh a girl in a music video wouldn't pull out a granola bar and eat it, right? She'd look sad and pensive the whole time. So you wait to eat the granola bar until you get off the bus
Anyway Shane has lived his entire life in the narrative. This is how he pitches the plan to Ilya: what if we changed the narrative. He's not living his own life most of the time. His mind is split between his own sensory experience and the viewpoint of the camera hovering above him (this also appears in his sex life imo. The constant focus on mirrors and windows)
Anyway I'll wrap it up but to get back to the point this isn't an angst thing, or at least not exclusively. I think Shane finds it very exciting to think about the gap between what that camera is catching and what he really is. He's sitting there listening to rookies talk about sex and thinking ("if only they knew what *I* got up to.....").
Iām still intrigued by the idea that shane has a harder time adjusting to ilyaās captaincy style in ottawa than he expects. I feel like the metros vs. raiders locker rooms were probably soooo different. I imagine shane as the kind of captain who runs an extremely tight ship with very high standards for professionalism but maybe, uh, not as much room for fun or goofing off or all the casual bonding stuff that makes guys feel like Brothers In Arms. itās a good place to work in that you can expect everyone to work hard and excel but it also feels very much like a workplace where you are sort of tacitly expected to leave your personal life at the door. like shane is going to treat you well as a colleague but unless youāre hayden heās probably not going to remember your wifeās name or your kidsā ages and favorite sports at school. and if youāve got personal life stuff going on outside of work itās like⦠ok but youāre at work now? heās got personal life stuff going on too (see: messy secret gay situationship with a disaster bisexual) and heās not letting it affect his game.
whereas I think ilya as a captain is one of those people who seem to be running an extremely loose ship (itās noisy itās chaotic guys are roughhousing during practice people prank guys other all the time everyoneās out a little later than they should be at the bar together etc etc) but actually the second something starts souring in the atmosphere it becomes obvious that ilya has his finger on the pulse of the room and absolutely nothing escapes his notice. and he has a knack for fixing things or smoothing things over without it actually seeming like heās intervening at all, just by saying the right thing to the right guy at the right moment or giving someone a little nudge or taking some of the guys out drinking and by the end of the night itās somehow all resolved even though no one can remember what happened or how he did it.
ANYWAY I think when shane comes into that cens locker room it would be fun for him to be initially silently appalled by how cavalier ilya seems be about his leadership position. like shane has no problem not wearing the C on his new team but is ANYONE wearing the C here??? and I think it would be funnnn for them to have some friction about it at first where shaneās being silently judgy about it but refusing to come out and say anything and ilyaās getting annoyed but also like a little wounded by it because itās the same attitude his dad always had about his leadership style. and ALSO in his secret heart of hearts he sort of feels like⦠his raiders, to a man, would have died for him and still loved him even after he left boston in the lurch with zero explanation, whereas shaneās metros threw him under the bus the second he came out⦠and then when they finally have a big blowout fight about this & that last part surfaces itās very hurtful to shane because of course everyone loves ilya thatās because people are so EASY for ilya!!!! ilya doesnāt even have to work for it he just shows up and winks at people and cracks a few jokes and everyone is falling all over themselves to make him happy!!!! and maybe shane isnāt good at people but heās good at being a fucking professional and thatās why he has three cups to ilyaās one!!!! anyway it gets messy and everyone storms off to lick their wounds and then they make up later and eventually ilya admits that OKAY maybe he could stand to be a little more of an hardass when guys are slacking off in practice or whatever and then shane admits that OKAY maybe remembering stuff about your teammatesā families or knowing when a guyās in the throes of an ugly divorce and needs a little bit of grace is important to helping guys click with each other and feel emotionally invested in what youāre building together, and also itās kind of hot when ilya makes crazy scoring bets with the guys and then comes back to collect. and then of course having resolved all of this they fuck about it
In the book, the 2014 Vegas scene is allll about Shane taking control of the moment. Ilya is being bossy and pushy and telling Shane what to do but Shane almost immediately realises that he can push right back. By having Shane act out his fantasy, Ilya is making himself vulnerable to having that fantasy enacted upon him; he's too into it, he's too affected by the image of Shane Hollander naked in his bed, "putting on a show" for him to keep up the arrogant, icy demeanour.
And Shane is so fucking into it. He was uncomfortable at first because Ilya set him up to be vulnerable and exposed but as soon as he realises that he can provoke Rozanov into breaking character, he leans all the way in. Shane wants but when he says "get it for me :)" he's confronting Ilya with his own want and Ilya breaks basically immediately! He wants so badly that he can't stop his wanting being known!
The whole thing is a back-and-forth, forcing each other to admit to their desires. Shane is initially humiliated to hear himself beg (because he still hates how much he wants gay sex in general and Ilya specifically) but then he also understands, maybe for the first time, that begging is not just an act of submission. By begging, he is exerting power over Ilya, who, after all, wants to give exactly what Shane wants. By pushing at the limits of Ilya's self-control, Shane is claiming control for himself because he has the power to affect Ilya so strongly. This is an empowering scene for Shane!
It's also notable that afterwards they kind of collapse onto the bed together and share a moment of "Jesus, dude, that was hot" until Ilya kicks Shane out (right after Shane asked about Russia, mind you! stuck his finger right in that festering wound!). Shane doesn't leave that scene feeling weird or uncomfortable or humiliated by what they did, but he does leave suddenly aware that he craves a tenderness (kissing) that he isn't entitled to under the usual rules of their relationship, and that's what makes him uncomfortable:
YES YES YES. This is what Iām always saying!!! This scene is not a simple Dom Ilya / sub Shane sex scene. Shane is very engaged in wrestling for the power here, and specifically in making Ilya give it up, in a way that mirrors their on ice competitions. I argue that Shane fully has control by the time heās demanding the lube and Ilyaāwho in his POV is too overcome with both lust and unwanted affection for Shaneāis rendered almost powerless (to such a degree heās pleading with god for salvation). Which is why it hurts so much when Shane sticks in the knife about Russia, too, even though itās unintentional.
And the kiss thingāitās not subdrop, at least not in how itās usually understood. Itās not Shane being overcome or overwhelmed by the rush of everything that happened, itās him wishing the sex had played out differently. And in my opinion I think heās judging his own actions here as much as Ilyaāsāhe also doesnāt go for a kiss, heās too wrapped up in how hot their power struggle is to reach for any tenderness. And thatās what freaks him out.
To me this is the turning point for their dynamic because itās when they permanently close the door on the āIlya corrupting the good boyā dynamic and instead move into a constant negotiation over the balance between power struggle versus emotional intimacy during their sex
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I feel itās maybe time we talk about the Ibiza honeymoon? And like, the fact that Shane specifically wants to go there because he thinks Ilya would be magnificent in that kind of hedonistic party environment. I feel like Shane likely hasnāt travelled a ton outside of hockey - heās probably been to Mexico a few times, to Europe to work and maybe once or twice on vacation? But all his parentsā money would have gone to hockey, hockey-related travel, and their cottage⦠and Shane is the type of guy to do all his brand management stuff in the off-season, and spend his time training instead of travelling when he doesnāt have any big hockey obligations. Plus the Foundation camps.
But he knows Ilya used to traipse around Europe in the summers, and he knows he was a club rat, so despite the fact that it makes Shane feel like heās gonna puke, heās incredibly excited to, like, not only see this side of Ilya but to experience it with him.
But before we talk partying we gotta talk about transport.
They get picked up from the airport with a very highly rated private service and rent an obnoxious villa on a fucking cliff over-looking the water because they can. It has a gym, infinity pool, private beach access and various other amenities, including a huge wine cellar with included sommelier, and a garage of sports cars and motorbikes/scooters. They take the cars a few times, and the Montrealer in Shane fucking relishes in the chaotic pace of Spanish traffic (which Ilya has not yet had the opportunity to see and is a little shocked by, but finds incredibly hot).
It takes more for convincing for the motorbike.
āI donāt want to end up in the hospital on our honeymoonāā
āWho said anything about hospital? Hollander, I am an expert. I would drive all aroundāā
āYeah, and you shouldnāt have been doing that, anyway! Theyāre death traps!ā
āOne ride. Just quickly around.ā
āIlya.ā
āShane.ā He comes closer, sliding his hands over Shaneās hips. āYou, with your secret fucked up driving? You will love it, I promise.ā He squeezes his hands and shrugs innocently. āAnd if youāre too scared you can follow me in a car.ā
āFuckingāā Shane cuts himself off. Glares. āIf we get hurt youāre gonna break the news to Weibe. And my parents.ā
Ilya gleefully hands him a helmet.
āThis is peer pressure,ā Shane grouses as Ilya helps him put it on.
āMm,ā Ilya hums, straddling the bike. He puts on his own helmet. Heās not hot. At all. āNow, behind me. Feet on the little things on the sideāyes, perfect.ā He revs the engine like an asshole, and Shane firmly tells himself that isnāt hot, either. Neither is the way Shane wraps his arms around him, or how he has to hook his chin over Ilyaās shoulder to hear him over the noise, or when Ilya smirks and says hold on, Hollander before they take off like a fucking shot. Shane swears in surprise, arms squeezing Ilyaās middle. He can he feel him laughing and canāt help but grin back.
Itās⦠okay, itās fun.
Ilya eases off the speed a little so it isnāt quite as terrifying, takes the turns more slowly, and is careful with the cracks and potholes. Eventually, the fact that heās holding back becomes more annoying than sweet, and Shane takes advantage of an empty road at their more sedate pace to cuddle up against Ilyaās back more thoroughly. āThis how you normally drive?ā Shane yells against the wind.
He can feel Ilya shrug. āPrecious cargo!ā He yells back.
āDonāt worry about me!ā
Ilya glances back at him, raising a brow. At the squeeze of Shaneās arms around him, he smirks and fucking guns it. They weave through traffic, around potholes, and take turns that have Shaneās heart in his throat and his adrenaline pumping. āIf itās too much, you say!ā He hears Ilya yell through the wind.
Itās not too much. It is so embarrassingly not too much that he gets hard and horny enough to rub up against Ilya and feels him laugh delightedly. When Shane sees a good spot up ahead he grins. āHey! Pull over up there!ā
Ilya glances back, confused, but does as heās told. āAre youāā
Shane has his helmet off almost before theyāve stopped, sliding off the back of the bike and walking backwards towards the trees. His hands are already undoing the button and zip of his shorts.
Ilya does that thing he does sometimes; the wide-eyed blush as he mouths wow, like all the air has been stolen from his lungs. He scrambles to follow.
I think Troy/Harris are much much more likely to do petplay than Shane/Ilya bc like. 1. I donāt think thatās the type of submission Shane is into. 2. Ilya is not disciplining a dog. Heās exclusively talking to dogs in baby voices and the idea of yelling at even an imaginary one troubles him. 3. Harris has spent years around a rowdy pack of farm dogs and the commanding intonation to get a dog to listen comes instinctively. 4. Troy knows heās a bad dog.
Ok so you know the 100 pots vs 1 pot pottery parable? Well I really latched onto that story and leaned really far in the 100 pots direction. I would never work on an art piece beyond one sitting. It was great because I was getting my experience in, finishing stuff, posting stuff, not getting attached to them because I wasnāt invested, moving on. Not worrying about the limited time I had for my hobby. But then recently I was talking to another artist about my art frustrations. I didnāt think I was getting anywhere anymore. I was giving up on sketches that felt ābeyond savingā so I could start the next one. And she was telling me next time to try working through something difficult instead of giving up. Now Iām like, Oh My God, she was totally right. Iād been depriving myself of that specific experience this whole time. Which has been years!
Fic Rec: birdwatcherĀ byĀ ausgezeichnet / @oldguardians
birdwatcher (noun): slang used by British Intelligence for a spyĀ
Shane and Ilya are secret agents on opposite sides of the Cold War, occasionally tasked with working together on high-stakes, strictly off-the-books missions. It doesnāt stop them from falling in love.
it's here! the 1960s hollanov spy AU that's been eating my brain since february!
title: birdwatcher
description:
birdwatcher (noun): slang used by British Intelligence for a spy
Shane and Ilya are secret agents on opposite sides of the Cold War, occasionally tasked with working together on high-stakes, strictly off-the-books missions. It doesnāt stop them from falling in love.
rating: M
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āEverything should be pretty straightforward,ā Shane said. āI go in, make the sale, assess the situation. Then you can take him.ā āYes, very straightforward,ā Rozanov replied. āWhat could go wrong?ā āDonāt say that.ā āNo, no, you have it all figured out. Should be very simple first mission.ā āDonāt say that, either.ā Rozanov smirked at him, his eyes sparkling with mirth. Shane glared. The end of this mission couldnāt come soon enough.

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With this sudden amount of conversation of AI-assisted fics and such, is there a specific fic or fics that people are talking about as being "super popular" but obviously AI written? I feel so out of the loop
(Feel free to send me this on anon if you don't want to comment something publicly. I won't publish anything that names an author / fic)
I believe the uptick in conversation is in reaction to this. The Reddit post links to a conversation/document that explains a specific html markers which proves that a piece of text has been copied + pasted directly from Claude AI, and then includes a rundown of how many of these markers were found in a subset of very popular fics in the Heated Rivalry tag on AO3, some of which are extremely popular and successful (as in, very high stats, are talked about and recommended a lot, authors have name recognition).
This marker only exists if text was copied directly from Claude AI into the AO3 text box. It wasn't originally identified in a fandom context and doesn't occur if the text was copied from Claude into ie a Word doc or if a different LLM was used. It also doesn't differentiate between text that was completely generated by Claude and text that was only edited by Claude for formatting or spelling.
The main takeaway from this experiment is, in my opinion, that AI use in fanfiction is widespread and ubiquitous and not detectable to most people. There is no reliable way to tell if a text was written using AI because of how LLMs work and what they were trained on, but a lot of people ARE using AI to write fanfiction and the results are good enough to make AI use rewarding.
The other thing is that it complicates the way fandom as a community talks about AI use in fic. Most people don't want to read fic that uses AI, which disincentivises writers from disclosing their AI usage. People have been using AI accusations to bully and harass authors, which is bad because bullying is bad, but also apparently a lot of authors are using AI and vehemently denying it when asked. Reconciling all of this in a way that satisfies all the different interests and ideals about fandom conversations is going to be really, really difficult and probably get really, really ugly.
It also doesn't differentiate between text that was completely generated by Claude and text that was only edited by Claude for formatting or spelling.
Just to note that this can't be differentiated because LLM models (unless paired with additional methods, which Claude may or may be) don't track input in this way. All output is identical: it's statistically generated text, based on the input. There's no mathematical distinction between "editing" and "generating" for the model, though people try to draw a distinction when they talk about LLM use by humans.
Otherwise, yes, agreed. Presumably there's plenty of authors copying into word processors and *then* publishing to AO3, which would hide these artifacts.
I'll just say this: my mathematical research is adjacent to LLMs. I understand very well how they work. I do not think the mathematics of it is somehow evil. And I refuse to sit around and draw lines about "acceptable" use: is it ok to use LLMs to copy edit? What about to translate? Or to generate a list of names for background characters? To format?
You could spend a lot of time building an ethical framework to try and answer these questions in a coherent way. But for me it comes back to the fact that I fucking hate "AI" and the companies that peddle it. I do think they're evil. And I don't want to read anything touched by "AI" because I don't want to engage with their products.
But there's never going to be a way to know for sure, short of artifacts (that will very quickly disappear, now, due to the new knowledge of how they're generated). It's easy to just feel hopeless.
But maybe OpenAI is going bankrupt, so let's hope for better days. Or I don't know. Going back to just reading fic by friends, via mailing lists, maybe.
Friendship breakups are hard but do you know what else kinda sucks? Fandom breakups
CLEAN SWEEP | rated E, 28k, shilya
Shaneās brain cycled rapidly through a half-dozen celebrities, porn actors, Grindr profiles, every attractive bartender whoād ever served him a beer, trying to find a comparison for this level of outrageously concentrated beauty in one person, but he was drawing a blank. The manāIlya Rozanov, Facilities Attendant, his badge readāgestured around the supply closet. āI help you find something?ā -- Canon-divergent AU set during the 2017-18 MLH season. Shane Hollander doesnāt have a single Cup to his name when he meets a very hot and very annoying janitor who works at the Metros stadium.
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my dad came to the US in the mid-80s, and when he did, one of my aunts (who had come to the US a few years prior) gave him a list of tv shows to watch. the popular ones, the ones she knew everyone was talking about. she wanted to make sure he was up to date on his american pop culture knowledge, because that meant his american colleagues wouldn't be able to isolate him for the simple fact that they couldn't relate to him. he could participate in conversations, he wouldn't be the weird indian man no one really ever got to know that they could then throw under the bus later. he could become "one of them". she asked him to get into american football and basketball, even though he was already a far bigger cricket fan and didn't really care about other sports.
when yuna is talking to montreal's gm, she assures him "[she's] the world's biggest metros fan" and it's how she came to feel canadian, her dad sitting them down on saturday nights to watch hockey and her becoming a fan of the metros. it's not lost on me that this comes right after the gm is talking about how they're thrilled shane is asian and saying that stuff about breaking barriers. and i think this is a very specific facet to the way asian people are treated in the west. there's a lot of pressure to "prove" you're really canadian, or american, or australian, or whatever, because asian people are seen as perpetual foreigners and outsiders. this is what underpins a lot of the effort to assimilate.
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Jock Shane/Bad boy Ilya sharing jackets inspired by these posts by @mybloodstream-caffeine and @shillanov!