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I am simultaneously deliriously in love with the ending of Loki season 2 and absolutely loathe it
On one hand…Shakespearean tragedy at its finest, essentially circling back to Loki’s original Thor 2011 character arc by reversing it, and Loki has literally ascended to godhood. In the end, Loki’s ultimate selfless sacrifice was to sit upon the highest throne in the multiverse, and that to me is tragically ironically beautiful
On the other hand…Loki being alone makes me want to burn Marvel studios to the ground and do other unspeakable things
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I’m almost certain the new Villain is going to be Ingrid from OUAT. Here’s why -
Disney loves reusing its own IP… the Mouse has likely adapted from a previous version of Frozen before - the musical. In the musical, Elsa’s magic comes from the hidden people, as her mom was one of them. This is eerily similar to Iduna being from a hidden tribe of magic connected people in the movies. Because of her parents’ role in forging peace between their two peoples, Elsa’s magic again comes from her heritage. In fact, heritage and legacy has become a core theme of the Frozen franchise.
Next, there have been allusions to a dangerous person with Elsa’s powers since the beginning of the first movie. I also find it odd that the fifth spirit either didn’t exist or was an empty role before Elsa. Keep in mind that Iduna has an existing association with the spirits . She suspiciously knows a lot more about the spirit situation than the average person in the story. She’s also who Elsa finds in Atohallen.
Here’s where Ingrid comes in. I recall the team hinting that a new family member was joining the story. In once upon a time, Ingrid is a powerful ice sorceress, the original snow queen, and their maternal aunt. Her story also revolves around her sisters.
I think Ingrid was the previous fifth spirit and Iduna was in Anna’s role as the bridge between the magical and mortal worlds. Considering the end of the second movie, we know Disney loves a circular ending… Elsa and Anna weren’t the first. But last time, the bridge was broken…
The Politics of Loki: The Revolutionary vs The Reformist and the Corrupt System
In this post, I will breakdown the politics of the ‘Loki’ show, touching on the systemic issues of the TVA, the political ideologies and a general analysis of the narrative and its characters. Please note that this is my own personal interpretation and analysis.
“The TVA is the problem. It's broken, it's rotten.” - Sylvie
“Burn it down, easy. Annihilating is easy. Razing things to the ground is easy. Trying to fix what's broken is hard. Hope is hard.” - Loki
‘The system is violence’ is a common phrase when it comes to the sociological concept of structural violence. In our world, it’s most commonly used in reference to racism, classism and sexism, but also in war and policing (and many other forms of violence). Within the world of the MCU and the ‘Loki’ show… It is used to explore the morals and ethics of the TVA, He Who Remains and Sylvie & Loki.
The TVA are portrayed as a fascist organisation, and its agents are operating under a lie from their dictator — He Who Remains. The people who live and breathe the TVA and its mission are victims. They were stolen from their lives, had their memories wiped blank and were put in a system that engaged in violence under the guise of ‘for the greater good’… Arguably, they were groomed. Anyone who discovered the truth or had doubts were punished — asking questions was heavily discouraged and viewed as a form of blasphemy against the Time Keepers. Hunter C-20 was an example of this corruption. The workers are fed propaganda, and are lead to believe that they are ‘the good guys’.
Even when we take a look at the material the agents saw daily within the TVA, we see rules that are there to discourage them from ‘chit chatting’ and ‘less meetings, more productivity’ (because talking creates discussion and discussion can create questions), and limiting their breaks/pie to ‘1 slice per week’ and how ‘bartering for extra tokens is forbidden’. It’s small forms of control, to keep them in line.
The ‘verify through deletion’ and ‘always watching’ tells us the most about how the TVA operates.
The TVA uses surveillance as a form of control, monitoring its agents, the timelines and variants to maintain power. It encourages the agents to ‘stay in line’ and self-police themselves, also creating an environment in which people are less likely to question the system/the Time Keepers. There are many forms of surveillance, from literal CCTV and data to the concepts of religion.
The TVA uses both.
The Time Keepers are seen as these ‘all-seeing’ Gods, saviours of the multiverse and looked up to by the agents — Ravonna Renslayer is an example of this belief, and even when the truth of the Time Keepers is revealed, she still remains staunch in the mission the represented. Renslayer reminds Mobius that the Time Keepers are ‘always watching’. Knowing you are being watched is not an inherently comfortable feeling for most people, so when Renslayer says this, it isn’t a comfort, it’s a warning — a reminder to Mobius of his place in the system. The agents even believe that the Time Keepers created them! The Time Keepers are their ‘God’/‘Creator’. Even calling the main timeline ‘The Sacred Timeline’ is a religious allegory. The story told to the agents (and variants) about why the TVA was created is there to instil fear and cooperation. But also, the TVA/Time Keepers make the agents feel special, like they are saving and protecting the Sacred Timeline — they give the agents a God Complex.
The TVA treats variants as criminals. It mirrors how the real world treats prisoners/criminals (innocent or guilty). When Loki is arrested for his “crimes against the Sacred Timeline”, B-15 even says something that is reminiscent of what a police officer would say to a detainee: “On behalf of the Time Variance Authority, I hereby arrest you for crimes against the Sacred Timeline. Hands up. You’re coming with us.” When Loki questions them, B-15 tells him: “Last chance variant.” As soon as the Minutemen step through the time door, they have their weapons raised, and when Loki tries to evade, he is immediately met with violence and collared like an animal.
In Season 2, we are introduced to the fact that the TVA has literal torture devices… We learn in Season 1 about the Void and how it’s essentially just a giant, free-roaming, (mostly) inescapable prison that banks on a giant cloud monster called ‘Alioth’, that is described as a ‘guard-dog’, to eat them… (Or that the variants will likely kill each other.)
Variants are just living their lives, unaware of the system and its influence, yet they are treated like criminals/problems that need to be dealt with — by erasure from existence.
Loki is then brought in, no one answers his questions, offers him any personable explanation… They simply log him, strip him (removing any visual evidence of his identity and to give him a lack of autonomy) and process him. Once he is processed, he is given a trial. He has a chance to ‘plead his case’, despite no one telling him what exactly his crime was. Judge Renslayer ‘hears him out’ and rules to reset him. It had nothing to do with the fact Loki’s defence was weak or unprepared, it has everything to do with the fact that this is how they operate at the TVA. Everyone is ‘verified through deletion’, the trial is set up so every variant that comes through those halls is ruled ‘guilty’. The trial is a farce, smoke and mirrors, to give the illusion to the agents that what they are doing is just and ‘protecting society’ — a mock court. The justice system within the TVA is set up to fail the variants. It’s similar to how the automat is filled with only keylime pie. It gives the illusion of choice to the agents.
Mobius ‘saves’ Loki from being reset, wanting to ‘recruit’ him to track down one of his variants (which we later find out is Sylvie). Mobius interrogates Loki, his goal is to break him down and get him to a point where he agrees to help the TVA — it’s a similar fashion to police interrogations that last hours to try and get a confession out of suspects, except Mobius here is using Loki’s file and role on the Sacred Timeline (according to the Time Keepers) to strip him down and make him more agreeable. (Since I began writing this, another blog has made a post that goes into more detail about this scene, so I’ll save my breath and encourage you to read @khapikat222’s own analysis of this scene!)
Mobius holds Loki’s life in his hands, he can have him reset at any moment… Of course Loki is going to agree to help them — and, of course, use the situation to his advantage by trying to gain the upper hand against his captors… But that’s another topic that I’ve discussed here and here!
“The first and most oppressive lie ever uttered was the song of freedom. For nearly every living thing, choice breeds shame and uncertainty and regret.” - Loki
Then we have Sylvie. Sylvie is a character who is rooted in anti-establishment politics and believes everyone should have free will. Sylvie is another victim of the system. After being captured and taken by the TVA as a child, she decided then she would make it her mission to destroy the organisation that stole her life.
Sylvie isn’t a hero, she isn’t a villain, she’s a revolutionary.
Sylvie grew up in apocalypses, having to raise, protect and teach herself. She grew up surrounded by death, only ever able to see the destruction of things and that shaped her own belief system. Sylvie believes that the only way to fight violence is with violence, because that’s what she’s had to live through and do to survive.
The TVA committed an act of violence on Sylvie’s life when they stole her from her timeline as a child. It wasn’t personal. It wasn’t targeted. It was systemic. And Sylvie, from her own experience, quickly understood that the only way to defeat violence is with violence.
Loki stated himself that he ‘doesn’t enjoy hurting people’ and does it ‘because he has to’, to maintain the ‘illusion’. This quote can be used as a heavy bit of foreshadowing for the plot and characters of the show. Mobius doesn’t enjoy hurting people, but he does it because he has to because that’s what the Time Keepers (He Who Remains) has demanded of him. Sylvie doesn’t enjoy hurting people but does it because she has to, to survive and fight back against a system that was designed to oppress her. We know Sylvie doesn’t enjoy hurting people as during Season 2 Episode 3, whilst attempting to kill Victor Timely, Sylvie says: “Do you think I want to do this? Any of this?” And then later says that she “can’t let him live”. In the end, Sylvie spares Victor. It’s clearly a difficult decision for her, going against everything that she believes, but she does it. She holds back.
Loki has used violence in the past as a way to assert control (both over his own life and others around him). For example, trying to destroy Jotunheim, bringing an army to Earth and trying to subjugate its people. Loki is certainly not a ‘peaceful protest’ kind of guy. However, Loki has learnt from his past that violence only seems to breed more violence, continuing the cycle. He has heard the (sanitised/biased) stories of Asgard and the wars across the Nine Realms and how the war may have been over, but the effects of it still remain. He has witnessed his own actions and the destruction it caused for a city, himself and his family. Loki was also stuck in a system on the Sacred Timeline, he understands it.
By the time Loki and Sylvie reach He Who Remains, Loki starts having doubts. Loki is willing to believe He Who Remains and factor in his reasoning for the TVA’s creation because Loki has always had to factor in everyone else’s moves on the chessboard. Sylvie, whilst she did spend years on her plan, is more impulsive when it comes to situations. Now, that isn’t to say Loki doesn’t have impulses — for example, his attempt to destroy Jotunheim felt more impulsive than planned due to the fact his emotions were erratic after finding out the truth of his heritage. However, Sylvie has such a strong belief that the system must be completely destroyed, and the dictator must be removed, that she is not willing to factor in the consequences. She is headstrong, independent and doesn’t trust anyone else but herself. I’d argue that Loki, whilst claiming to be independent, is very dependant on others, especially when it comes to his sense of self and his identity.
Plus, Loki has tried to be in the role of the dictator, he had ruled Asgard for a short time in ‘Thor’, and his attempt to subjugate Earth under the guise of liberation during ‘The Avengers’, whereas Sylvie has never had the chance to have the power to be in that position. Loki benefitted from hierarchical rule as a Prince of Asgard with his upbringing being in a palace and the title of ‘God of Mischief’, and he has been in a position that let him believe he was ‘above’ other beings — like mortals. Unlike Sylvie, Loki has experienced both sides of the coin with privilege and oppression. He benefited from the system, whilst also becoming a victim to it. This contributes as to why Loki can see how the system could be changed rather than simply torn down.
He Who Remains even tells Sylvie and Loki: “You may hate the dictator, but something... far worse is gonna fill that void if you depose of him.” He frames himself and the TVA as the ‘lesser of two evils’, which is typically something you’ll hear a lot when it comes to politics/governments and their leaders. This sort of rhetoric is essentially telling people not to hope or want for more, for something better. It is phrased as an ultimatum, yet, doesn’t leave the decider with much choice. Once again, it’s control via fear: fear of the unknown, of something worse, of something new. He Who Remains even tries to tempt the pair into taking over the system, using power as a means of persuasion.
Upon seeing the vastness of the multiverse and the potential consequences that could arise if he or Sylvie make the ‘wrong’ choice, Loki is hesitant to finish the mission. He entered the TVA as a prisoner, but also an opportunist as he planned to attempt to ‘overthrow the Time Keepers’, and by the end of S1, Loki evolves and takes in the scale of it all — “it isn’t about you”, as Sylvie told him in their first meeting. Sylvie, on the other hand, remained the same and held fast to her own mission. It was about her, yes, but it was also about the billions of people whose lives had been stolen or dictated by the TVA.
Loki is a reformist and Sylvie is a revolutionary. Both share the same goal of change, but want to reach said goal by different means.
Loki would prefer to transform the existing system, and in Season 2 opts for dismantling and rebuilding the TVA, because that’s what he’s witnessed from Asgard and Odin (or at least, that’s how it was framed to Asgard’s people in their history). Loki knows how it feels to have been lied to, to have your whole life be a lie, so he can sympathise with the TVA agents in a way that Sylvie struggles with. Sylvie knows the agents were variants, and whilst she can understand that they are victims themselves, she struggles to get past the mental barrier of how she views them being the enemy.
Sylvie told Loki: “it would be easier to burn this place down and start from scratch.” That’s revolutionary thinking. This is Sylvie stating her stance on what she thinks should happen to the structure that He Who Remains built. Again later on, she also told Loki “that sometimes it's okay to destroy something.” Sylvie didn’t want to simply ‘replace one nightmare with another’, she wanted to do a complete overhaul rather than just swap leaders — she rejects the existing system.
However, Loki tells Sylvie: “Sure. Burn it down. Easy. Annihilating is easy. Razing things to the ground is easy. Trying to fix what's broken is hard. Hope is hard.” This falls more in line with reformist ideology. Loki wants to change what already exists, something slower and more gradual with, ideally, little to no violence. Loki has tried using force and violence in the past to achieve his goal and it hasn’t worked for him. He even makes a dry comment to Sylvie about her machete, the weapon that killed He Who Remains: “Well, your machete hasn't solved any problems thus far.”
Loki doesn’t think violence is the answer. Sylvie does. However, both characters are eventually willing to try and understand each other and form a middle ground. Sylvie is willing to let Loki try and fix the Loom with the help of Victor Timely, and she is willing to put aside her own views for the sake of others. It isn’t easy nor is it smooth or without its clashes, but she tries. However, ultimately, she still believes that the TVA is “rotten” and “broken”, and that it needs to be dismantled.
To Sylvie, Loki is compromising with the system. She met Loki when he was dressed in TVA uniform, and then after the Citadel when he finds her on her branch, he is still wearing the uniform — just no longer with the ‘variant’ label on his jacket. Sylvie sees Loki as part of the problem, she sees him as a sympathiser/enabler. Loki is still playing He Who Remains’ game, existing within the rules of the system he set up, even after Sylvie freed the timelines. Sylvie sees trying to reform the TVA as repackaging the same product and selling it as something brand new and better.
However, by the end of Season 2, Loki’s stance and approach has shifted. At the start of the series, Loki states he believes that ‘freedom is a lie’, and that ‘choice breeds uncertainty’, but his actions in the shows finale represents his change in perspective. It can be debated whether Loki originally even truly believed that sentiment or not, but either way, his actions regarding freedom have changed. Loki realises that trying to fix a system that was always set up to fail its victims, a system that exists under He Who Remains’ rules and logic… It’s never going to work. There’s no room for anything other than ‘right or wrong’ in the system, and that isn’t true free will. So… Loki does what Sylvie had been telling him from the start… He dismantled the system by destroying the Loom.
The TVA was created to keep the ‘Sacred Timeline’ in check, to prune branches, to prevent true choice and free will. The Loom was the last part of He Who Remains’ structure/system that could lead to the TVA, as an entire organisation, reverting back to their old ways. Loki removed that possibility from the equation. Rogue agents who believed in the original mission may still remain (as shown in Deadpool & Wolverine), but the organisation as a whole cannot revert back so easily to their old practices because the whole reason they were pruning branches to begin with (keeping the Sacred Timeline/Temporal Loom stable) has been taken away.
Whilst the new TVA has changed their mission and now keep the branches safe, allowing people free will and choice, it is still a system that can be weaponised — like any system. However, now it has a better chance at being something better, with the dictator and his rules gone, it can now function as something closer to a true democratic society, not like the illusion He Who Remains created. The people of the TVA are the protectors of the multiverse, taking on the role that they believed the Time Keepers had, focusing on finding actually dangerous variants who threaten it all and appropriately dealing with them — instead of any old variant who created an innocent, tiny deviation unknowingly and treating them like a criminal.
Loki and Sylvie are both complex, nuanced characters that are capable of making wrong and right decisions. They are both capable of doing better and taking time to understand the other, to see both the small and big picture. Their dynamic was never going to be smooth sailing, they are both intrinsically different when it comes to power and control. Loki originally wanted to overthrow the Time Keepers and take their place, whereas Sylvie wanted to kill them and burn down their system. Loki wears his God status with pride, whilst Sylvie denounces her own. Loki accepts the hierarchy and has used it to his advantage in the past, whilst Sylvie challenges it and defies it…
Sylvie: “Sounds like, whatever we do, we’re playing God.”
Loki: “We are Gods.”
In the end, the show isn’t asking the audience to pick a side, to choose between reformism or revolutionism, it’s asking the audience to understand the arguments and explore the tension between the two characters — ‘why’ and ‘how’ these two characters got to where they are in their respective beliefs. It’s about change and how no-one is ‘truly good’ or ‘truly bad’, but it makes us question the morality and ethics of people and the systems they are a part of. It gives the hope that we can wish for better, and not settle for a system that ultimately harms us.
Anyone who dislikes their dynamic simply misunderstands it, in my opinion. The ridiculous level of nuance is either missed because of media illiteracy or ignored for the sake of a much less interesting or complex character (Mobius) or a much less compelling ship (Lokius.)
It is a doomed love story between a monarchist turned socialist, and a revolutionary anarchist. They break up in season one for many reasons, such as Loki being untrustworthy and Sylvie having trust issues, but a main one is that ideological difference. However, their conflict is dissolved in the most heartbreaking way in season two. Loki proves Sylvie can trust him by going from compromising with the TVA to compromising with her - sacrificing himself to dismantle and rebuild the TVA from the ground up, which would mean more to her than anyone or anything else - while showing true selflessness by carrying everything for everyone, literally. She wanted it destroyed, he wanted it reformed, they got both.
Mobius is barely relevant there, which I wish people understood. He’s just another manifestation of the system, who originally benefitted from it. When Loki said “for you, for all of us,” the “you” could not have been directed at anyone BUT Sylvie. If we’re talking about some “love triangle” , because Loki sided with Sylvie and sacrificed himself because of her… he chose her, btw.
I deeply destain how Sylvie’s character was butchered. She would totally work a customer service job, but getting turned into an advertisement was disgraceful.
I love that they slowly are shifting her from a Loki variant to a Sylvie Lushton variant, moving to Oklahoma, changing her appearance, and being an enchantress first and foremost, but I want to point out that a core aspect of her character is that she is both and neither variants because the TVA takes people who don’t fit into their little boxes… wanting her to be one or the other is reductive.
If I wrote a third season of Loki, it would involve Möbius rejoining his family, at the pain of losing Loki, while Sylvie becomes a rogue agent (outside the TVA!) based on Ratatoskr, traveling between Loki’s branches and timelines to deliver messages and help people. She and Loki would still then have the tragic star crossed relationship that defined them.
Queue, the Crane Wives “a ship can never truly love an anchor” 
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Avatar: The Last Airbender and Tolkien’s legendarium are very different works, but I think they both ask the same questions: what does it mean to inherit the failures of your ancestors? And what role can love play in healing a divided people?
That's why I keep coming back to the parallels between Zuko and Aragorn - and, through them, to the thematic similarities between Katara and Arwen.
The Crownless Heirs
Zuko begins Avatar in exile, convinced that capturing the Avatar will restore his honour, title and father’s love. His transformation begins when he's forced to live amongst people harmed by the Fire Nation. He sees refugees, war-torn villages and families suffering beneath the empire he was raised to glorify.
Even then, he doesn't change easily. He betrays Iroh and Katara, returns home and receives everything he thought he wanted, yet he remains miserable. Zuko finally understands that Ozai cannot restore his honour because Ozai’s idea of honour is corrupt:
"No one can give you your honor. It’s something you earn for yourself, by choosing to do what’s right.”
When he confronts Ozai, he also states his abuse head-on: “It was cruel! And it was wrong!” By rejecting his father's (and forefather's) worldview, Zuko becomes capable of recognising the Fire Nation’s violence for what it is.
Aragorn’s exile is different. Numenor has fallen, Gondor has remained kingless, and Isildur’s heirs survive as wandering rangers. Raised secretly in Rivendell under the name Estel, Aragorn grows up as heir to kingdoms he's never possessed. Before becoming king, he learns to wander, protect, heal and serve.
Their paths move in opposite directions. Aragorn begins outside his kingdom and must return to it. Zuko begins inside his and must leave before he can understand it.
I think both inherit damaged royal legacies, but the difference here is crucial:
Aragorn must restore a kingdom that has been broken; Zuko must transform a kingdom that has - in some ways - broken the world.
Arwen and Katara
Let me be clear: Arwen isn't just some immortal princess given to Aragorn after his quest is complete. She's Elrond’s daughter - whilst Aragorn descends from Elrond’s (once elvish) mortal brother, Elros. Their marriage reunites family lines divided since the First Age - rekindling the blessing of the Eldar.
Her choice is weighted:
“Mine is the choice of Lúthien…both the sweet and the bitter.”
Arwen chooses Aragorn, but also mortality and separation from her family. Her love is freely chosen, yet never stripped of consequence.
Most importantly guys, Arwen isn't Aragorn’s prize.
Aragorn must fulfil the responsibility attached to his inheritance before their marriage can take place. He must create a kingdom worthy of what her choice represents.
This is where the strongest Zutara parallel shows up.
Zuko couldn't become worthy of Katara merely by loving her or taking the throne. He had to make the throne worthy of her by transforming the nation it represented.
Now Katara isn't Arwen’s direct equivalent, but she also carries the continuity of a wounded people. She begins the series as the last Southern waterbender. Her mother was murdered by a Fire Nation officer and her childhood was shaped by the war Zuko’s family began.
Katara heals, but she also remembers.
A marriage between Katara and Zuko would therefore not allow Zuko to escape the past. It would bring that past right into the royal household.
The Imperial Question
Some critics see Zutara as kind of 'messed up' as Katara would be marrying into the royal family of the nation that destroyed her people. To them, it could feel less like healing and more like the Fire Nation just...absorbing her.
I think the strongest defence of Zutara is not that Katara forgives the Fire Nation by marrying its ruler, nor that romance removes imperial violence.
It's that their relationship could be the ultimate proof that Zuko had turned his back on the imperialist system he inherited.
Katara wouldn't enter the Fire Nation as a conquered woman; she'd enter as a master waterbender, a survivor of Fire Nation violence and one of the heroes who helped end the war.
Her authority would exist before Zuko and independently of him.
The question isn't simply whether Katara could become Fire Lady; it's whether Zuko could create a Fire Nation worthy of having Katara as its Fire Lady.
A wedding couldn't reconcile nations by itself.
It could only embody reconciliation made real through reform: ending occupation, supporting reparations and dismantling Fire Nation supremacy. Katara’s love could never substitute for justice.
The palace would need to make room for her culture, political obligations and the right to challenge Zuko openly.
The marriage should change the Fire Nation at least as much as it changes Katara’s life.
Estel
Now, what does Estel mean? Well, we know it's elvish for hope - but Tolkien's hope isn't blind, dumb faith. It exists after the world has already been wounded. It doesn't erase grief, nor erase history - it simply supports the idea that history doesn't have the final say.
Most crucially, in neither story is the woman merely a reward for the king.
She's the measure of what his restored kingdom has become, and the throne is worthy of her only when she can stand beside it as an equal.
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i hope the running joke and whole concept of avengers doomsday is someone going “i know a guy” over and over until everyone in the mcu ever is involved
