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Since that one post about this by @viscari-a I have been paying extra attention to all the KSE and Choi convos in my reread. I'm in post-Mermaid Tomb era and so far...
KSE really doesn't say much in response to Choi.
But also, internal narration wise, holy-shit does Choi seem to make him experience every emotion under the sun and he constantly constantly has to remind himself not to get swept away and forget his ultimate goal is to go home.
Choi also truly seems to be the one who gets him to stop 'playing roles' and burst out with his real feelings quite often. There are always extenuating circumstances (he's stressed, he's a child) but most of the outbursts so far, where he's a bit surprised at having said that after, are with Choi.
Interested to see how this the Big Fumbles will go in detail.
(Also GYE's pov on KSE is soooo fucking funny. In front of her, KSE generally 'stops pretending' a lot, but his persona so strong that GYE is left staring at KSE saying wacko stuff about how he's more of a paperwork guy and ohhh he's so scared and ohhh that's just a coincidence and ohhh but we GOTTA save those people that's LOGICAL. Is he lying? Is he crazy? No, he's too competent, he has to be just blatantly lying and acting the fuck up, right?!)
(Also I think she definitely has a very mild hint of jealousy in her about KSE being the top recruit. GYE gives me the vibes of someone who is used to being top of the class until recently, so I feel she often has a mild hint of that in her always when dealing with KSE (in the beginning at least) IIRC she brought up being one of the top 3 recruits, and then usually KSE's top recruit status is something she often brings up when thinking of KSE.)
every single time Choi tried to get Soleum to open up (to no avail) in part 1 (Segment 1 / ?, covering up to ch 166). This is directly related to my analysis of Soleum’s fumble in part 2, but both can be read on their own! Just giving additional context.
I will explain it to the best of my ability but keep in my mind that “opening up” can mean a lot of things, and there are lots of ways to “make it easier for someone to talk to you”. I’ve thought about such things for a while so it gets hard to gauge how much explanation is needed; if anyone gets confused on any point, just lmk!
this ends up being a not very serious analysis but I think my point gets across
disclaimer that the k.lee interactions (29, 30) would also affect Choi’s judgement of Soleum and expectations of how Soleum would react. This wouldn’t show outwardly for obvious reasons: imo it’s important because he probably doesn’t think it’ll be easy to get Soleum to open up, so he would A. Put in more effort and/or B. Have more questionable intentions than just getting a hoobae to open up. B becomes relevant on how he interact with Soleum, and I’ll point it out as needed. Um, for fun. It’s not all that relevant to the focus of this post.
Chapter 143
Choi asks a question showing concern, offers food, removes the room of silence (it’s harder to speak up if it requires breaking silence) and gives a cheerful greeting, gives a compliment + includes Soleum into a group (“that’s exactly the kind of thinking we need”). Soleum doesn’t respond to any of this, so
Choi voluntarily gives up info first (his name). He then goes silent for a quite a while, lol, gauging Soleum’s reaction and letting Soleum respond instead of continuing to fill the silence. This is an example of B; he’s creating pressure instead of continuing to maintain an easy atmosphere. When someone gives you info (name, location, whatever), it makes it easier for you to give that same info, and names are in particular are an expected social nicety especially when someone else just gave theirs. Soleum does not give his name.
Choi switches back to being approachable. He closes the emotional distance (offers to let Soleum call him ‘sunbae’) and shows concern for Soleum’s arm. He then reassures Soleum, and creates a sense of reliability by saying it’ll be taken care of. Soleum doesn’t respond.
so, (maybe thinking that Choi is the issue, Choi) brings in another person. He could’ve brought Bronze in at any point, and there’s no way he forgot Bronze was waiting outside. This does, in fact, work. So Choi continues this route and uses Bronze’s presence to once again compliment Soleum before, um, technically strong-arming Soleum into a decision in the most casual way ever. He holds his hand out. Soleum doesn’t take it. He doesn’t respond to the compliment. Choi prompts Soleum and does the familiarity thing again (‘sunbae’). Soleum avoids eye contact and rejects the offer. [not really related but it’s fun reading Choi’s ‘you have to join!’ desperation with the knowledge of what Choi knows]
Choi has a sense that Soleum is acting. He could call Soleum out or say he’s lying, but both of those things could create distance and make Soleum defensive (defensiveness is the worst enemy to getting someone to open up). So he pretends to accept it. He does his ‘I’m saying this out of concern’ manipulation thing; it’s ruined by Jaekwan. Soleum responds to Jaekwan.
continues creating familiarity. This will be a running theme. Changes tactics by bringing up the people Soleum saved; probably sees a reaction, but Soleum doesn’t respond.
empathizes with Soleum (“Feels good, doesn’t it?”). Soleum doesn’t respond. Soleum does respond to Jaekwan, and Choi lets Jaekwan lead them out interrupting. After all, by this point, it’s quite obvious that Soleum responds more to Jaekwan than to Choi. It’s better to not force it, as that could make Soleum uncomfortable. This is probably why Choi doesn’t say a direct farewell; it could ruin the atmosphere and he probs wouldn’t get a response. Instead, he directs his words to Jaekwan to show how much he wants Soleum on the team.
146+. Choi leans towards intimidation in these chapters due to the circumstances, so part of this focuses more on ‘getting Soleum to talk’ than ‘getting Soleum to open up’
Cheerful voice + smiling eyes, which is more approachable and easier to talk to than something intimidating. Physical contact (also intimidation + prevents running away). Gives information. Asks Soleum an easy, unimportant question (that’s kinda probing) to prompt a response. Soleum doesn’t respond. He switches tactics.
Since first approach doesn’t work, he goes more intimidating. Even in this intimidation he’s pretty friendly; he offers up information when he doesn’t need to, and explains how he figured out who Soleum is. Wouldn’t it be more intimidating if he didn’t explain? Of course, this also ensures that Soleum won’t pretend to be someone else, so it’s multipurpose. To make this clear, giving up info about yourself usually makes the other person more comfortable (and willing to talk). This is pretty case dependent (names, age, pronouns, etc are safe bets), and if you go too far then it goes back to making the person uncomfortable, btw. Still, he goes really heavy on the intimidation. Instead of responding meaningfully, Soleum pretends to not know him
Subtly goes against Soleum’s manipulation, which Soleum realizes and responds to. Intimidation via probing and silence, which Soleum responds to. Haha, Soleum responds pretty well to traps. At a certain point they’d just go in circles, so Choi moves the convo on. Lessens the intimidation. Makes physical contact. Reasonably points out his reasoning without being patronizing or judgmental. Soleum goes quiet. He doesn’t address anything Choi said in his own response, and brushes everything Choi said off very neatly with a “Even so,”.
stuff happens. Soleum does meaningfully affect Choi by handing over the note. Choi spends time showing Soleum around and giving meaningful advice. It’s implied that Soleum is silent during most of this. The next response we’re shown is in relation to the note that Soleum gave. So, Soleum doesn’t respond to any of Choi’s efforts of being helpful and creating familiarity, but does respond when it comes to his own manipulation
152 - Choi talks a bunch and Soleum doesn’t respond to any of it. It’s more Choi being Choi than anything manipulative, but there are like 5 lines of dialogue from Choi and 3 lines of “……” from Soleum. I think this is why fandom perceives Choi as overtly talkative but imo anyone else would have reasonably resounded to at least 4 of those lines. Even Jaekwan probs would have at least said “Shut up.” So, this is more indicative of Soleum and how little he verbally responds to Choi
154 - on one of the rare times that Soleum responds directly to Choi without Choi’s prompting, Choi gives him positive reinforcement, lol
Throughout ocean palace arc, Soleum is more likely to give a direct verbal response, like since it’s a mission. This does show (to us and Choi) that Soleum can be more responsive when needed, and that he… just doesn’t want to normally, when it comes to Choi. 153/early 154 also shows how he’s far more likely to give verbal responses to Jaekwan than to Choi
164- physical contact. Gives praise. Acknowledges a suspicious thing in a light hearted manner without pressing or overtly questioning the issue. In combination with the praise, he creates an opportunity for Soleum to elaborate on how he knew or to be proud of himself. Soleum gives a noncommittal response
165 - introduces Soleum to an important person and heals him quickly, when he didn’t have to. This shows Choi’s care for Soleum. More importantly, introducing Soleum to the Elder is a show of preemptive trust, and would help make Soleum ‘part of the team’. Showing trust is a good way of forming closer bonds, which then leads to comfort and opening up. This is, in particular, is also Choi being vulnerable, since the Elder is important to him and is in a vulnerable position. Well, there a multiple of ways this could be manipulative (forcing Soleum into the team, having the Elder check if Soleum is a good person), but Soleum seems to be under the impression that it isn’t. So it could entirely be a show of genuine faith. Not intentional manipulation so it doesn’t really fit on this list, but it is an example of Choi showing faith that doesn’t respond to
166 - Choi once again lets Soleum know of his accomplishments and the people he’s saved, probably because he can tell how much it means to Soleum. He checks on Soleum is feeling,,, Soleum doesn’t respond LOL. He probs kept talking after Soleum was quiet for long enough, with the assumption that Soleum wouldn’t reply. Accurate assumption, btw. Including a screen shot because it’s funny to remember than Soleum is just awkwardly being silent during this whole monologue, despite being asked a direct question. Isn’t this basically that Death Note meme?
im about halfway thru my Choi appearances list and this post is already long, so ill cut it here and do a second part,,, three parts depending on how much analysis 193-195 ends up being.
to be honest, it might be more effective to make a compilation of screenshots of Soleum responding to Choi with “…” like
come on kiddo. If I somehow calculated the amount of words said to each other, i feel like it’d be a 100:1 ratio, with Choi saying 100 words for 1 of Soleum’s. Not counting their arguments, but you know….
Choi is stronger than me ㅠㅠ no way I could keep up a monologue to someone who’s not responding
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Boys who are sex-repulsed/don’t enjoy sex/are too uncomfortable to have sex - you’re doing an amazing job at coping in a society that associates your maleness with having strong sexual desires. You are valid, you are loveable, you are not ‘weird’ for not fitting into the stereotype of men wanting sex all time.
If I tell you this is a horror dance number it still won't prepare you. That last move was so terrifying even the judge was like "Let go! Let go!" If you told me they're actually possessed I'd believe you.
The music is a remix of the song Mere Dholna from the Bollywood movie Bhool Bhulaiyya, a remake of the classic Malayalam horror-comedy Manichitrathazhu. It's about a young bride that seemingly becomes possessed of Manjulika, a dancer of the ancient royal court whose tragic death has turned her into a vengeful spirit, one who evokes the wrath of the goddess Durga Kali. In the iconic scene that is repeated across remakes, the groom and his family discover his bride dancing in the dead of night in a manic, disassociative fugue, wearing a moth-eaten dancer's costume and a face smeared in kohl, ash and vermilion. She's hallucinating that she's Manjulika dancing carefree for the court with her lover. The upbeat music is deliberately incongruous with the pathos and creepiness of the scene in reality, especially as it crescendos in the bride's head to the moment when the king decapitates Manjulika's beloved in a fit of jealous rage.
This specific number is by the all-male troupe B Unique, performed for the Indian reality talent contest Hunabaarz. It's a modern fusion based on Bharatnatyam that turns up the creep factor by 200% and is basically a showcase of contortionism and synchronicity. One of the most perfectly choreographed and executed dances I have ever seen. Truly incredible!
The group is still taking their work across the world's talent shows. And yes, that guy is hypermobile enough to do that with his neck. XD
1. Lots of people have one but you don't really think about it until they start talking about making waffles and you're like "oh shit they have a waffle maker"
2. Messy as fuck and you know what as far as I see it why even bother when you have pancakes, you don't need to bother with all those fluids and crevices with pancakes
3. WHY DOES EVERYONE AT THE WEDDING THINK YOU NEED ONE
4. Theoretically implied fun with whipped cream until it melts and starts soaking into shit
5. If you don't prep ur surfaces ur gonna have a bad time
6. It's fun in the kitchen but only on like special occasions cause again it's a pain in the ass to clean
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