Welcome to #ShigeGouWeek2026, a week dedicated to celebrating the relationship between our favourite rival researchers. Whether platonic, romantic, or otherwise, any and all works surrounding the dynamic between these two is welcome for this event, including but not limited to: fanfiction, fanart, gifs, video edits, playlists, headcanons, meta, etc.!
Each day is associated with a specific theme and is open to any interpretation youâd like. Playing fast and loose with them is completely fine. Theyâre there as guides, not rules!
When posting your work, make sure to use the tag #ShigeGouWeek2026 so that everyone can find and share your creations more easily!
You can also add works to the AO3 collection here!
More info, and a text version of the prompts, below the cut!
The only restrictions regarding the type of content you create are:
No AI-generated content, please. If you choose to go that route, I can't stop you from posting, but your work won't be permitted in the collection or shared on my blog.
Gary and Goh must be the primary focus of your work. Having other relationships on the side or in the background is totally fine, but the main one should be the relationship between Gary and Goh.
Otherwise, the only rule is to have fun!!
FAQ:
Q: Is x kind of content allowed?
A: Create any kind of content you like (please note that AI-generated content does not count as creating, in the scope of this event). The only rule is that it must be primarily focussed on the relationship between Gary and Goh. Just make sure to tag your work appropriately so people who may not want to see certain types of content can avoid it.
Q: If I canât post on a specific day, can I post it on a different day even if it doesnât fit that dayâs theme?
A: Of course! Posting late (i.e. after the event has ended) is also fine! Just please donât post anything for the event before it has begun!
Q: How will my work be shared?
A: The mod (thatâs me, kohakhearts) will reblog any and all appropriately tagged works to their blog, but there is not a dedicated blog for the event. However, any works posted to AO3 can be added to the collection I made for the event here. As a reminder, you can post more than just fanfiction on the Archive, so donât be shy about using the collection to share your work! Any and all works posted to the collection will be unrevealed until May 28th (00:00UCT). After that point, the collection will be open and unmoderated. It will not close, ever. So feel free to post any late entries!
Q: Do I need to complete every day to participate?
A: Absolutely not!! Posting for just one day is more than fine.
Q: Do works need to be completed upon posting to be conisdered part of the event?
A: Nope! Post the first chapter of that fic you've been thinking about, those first few panels of a comic, whatever you like! If you finish creating the rest during the remainder of the week, that's great, but also not required. Even if you aren't sure you'll ever finish it, don't let that from stopping you!
Q: Can I post multiple creations for a single day?
A: Go for it! Whether you post one thing during the entire week or 28 different things, it well be well-loved! Do what makes your heart happy!
If you have a question that's not answered here, donât hesitate to shoot me an ask!
thatâs a wrap for this year! thank you to everyone who posted something for ShigeGouWeek2026! check out the collection of tumblr posts here and the AO3 collection here!
as a reminder, late submissions are more than welcome. at this point, however, i wonât personally be checking the ship week tag anymore. so if you have a late entry and are worried i wonât see it, donât be shy about sending me an ask or a DM with your submission so i can reblog it!
i hope that anyone who participated, even if just as a reader/viewer, had fun! hopefully weâll see you next year too! :)
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22: what would their friends and family think of their relationship?
LOL. this really is the golden question isn't it. okay so going down the list here:
drew: hates hayate. number one hayate hater (sorry lemon). the in-law hayate has to work the hardest at earning the forgiveness of for sure. it would be so awkward, every time hayate comes around. he's desperately trying to woo drew. but to drew this is going to be the annoying kid who always followed his daughter around and was Annoying and also did something frankly unforgivable to his son. because like, kipper might forgive hayate for not stopping the battle when he (kipper) is having a whole mental breakdown on live tv, but drew was in the audience and he isn't forgetting anytime soon lmao. he prays for the day hayate and kipper break up but of course he's never going to tell kip that. he might tell hayate tho.
may: gets along well with hayate! is more sympathetic, still sees him as her dear friend's sickly child in many ways, but also sees how deeply kipper loves him and is 100% willing to try to understand why and see things from kip's perspective. she is the only person in the family who actively likes hayate for at least the first few years after the nigelslater going canon event lol
lime: similar to drew, but maybe not quite as intense. she's wary of hayate for sure. making kipper cry is her and felicity's job. boys who make her brother cry deserve her wrath instead. but she also does respect that for better or for worse this is the boy her brother loves so like, if he's going to try to be better then she won't interfere anymore, but she's watching him, dammit
felicity: overall fairly hayate-neutral, but in the same camp as lime with being like, wary of him. they have the power to ruin his reputation in an instant through The Internet so like. i'm sure that's something they've casually mentioned to him here and there
lemon: hates hayate for non-kipper reasons but eventually pivots to tacking on a "and i can't believe how he treated kipper, ugh, what an asshole!" to every hayate-hating sentiment. this drives lime crazy, like STOP using my brother as an excuse to hate on hayate. i know the real reason you hate him is just because he was obsessed with me when we were kids and you felt threatened. LMAO. she'll get over it tho. they will never be friends but she will grudgingly accept their hayden in-law alliance
dawn: probably the most wary of kipper in hayate's family, but overall, like, this is her good friend's son, and she is aware that her son did something pretty cruel to him, again, on live television, lol. i think initially dawn is very much like, no kipper's too emotionally volatile, etc. for hayate and this is going to cause problems etc. but she would come around really quickly. i just cannot imagine dawn not welcoming anyone her son loves into the family with open arms lol. also if anyone in this family is going to understand the pressures of having a famous coordinator parent that you need to "live up to," it'd be dawn. so.
zoey: i think of all of hayate's parents, zoey is the most similar to kipper in terms of attitude, so i do think they'd get along. they might enjoy bonding over the more technical aspects of coordinating - but i can also see how. pokemon contests might be a very awkward topic to bring up around kipper and hayate (mostly kipper, to be fair), lol. so it might take some time for them to get to a point of being able to talk about things like that...so before that point, they might just. not have much to talk about. and kipper is very awkward and probably finds zoey intimidating (and dawn too. and chloe. i think he could be intimidated by a particularly stony rock though so. this doesn't say much about any of them lol)
chloe: definitely the one of hayate's moms who is like, making the most active overtures towards kip. this is probably terrifying to him though, poor kid. i think chloe honestly just feels bad for kipper. like, he's got that whole "feeling small and useless because his parents are so famous and well-established in their field" thing that i think she also recognizes. whereas i don't think dawn would pity kipper for this, chloe might. which ironically might make it harder for them to bond and have a relationship. but since she knows hayate side of the story she would be very loving and accepting and would want kipper to feel welcomed in their family
gwen and morgan (hayate's travel companions): kipper hates them on principle but they don't really have opinions on him other than that he's that pathetic gay boy hayate loves so much đ a real "thumbs up, guys" situation
there are other people here who would have opinions, like you know. uncles and aunts and grandparents. but if i got into that i'd be here all day. especially since because of the chloe and lemon connection this family tree gets really ??? really fast. like chloe is hayate's step-mom -> professor cerise is hayate's step-grandfather -> goh is hayate's pseudo-adopted step-uncle -> lemon is hayate's cousin (and his sister-in-law's wife). but for what it's worth. despite somehow being his uncle like 5 times removed gary has probably never even met hayate and hates him deeply anyway. because he will hate anyone his daughter hates. and this is just the interconnectedness these characters have before we even introduce the ash factor. LMAO. the nigelslater wedding might be even more chaotic than the sprite wedding. at least when lemon and lime get married the only issue is that their dads are duking it out with each other in the parking lot.
i love the like...way that their whole dynamic is founded on this basis of improvement. like, gary kinda just singles goh out and decides he's gonna fix this guy, lmao. it's different from the ash-gary rivalry because there's literally zero precedent for it aside from, i guess, "ash thinks this guy is worth his time and i trust ash's opinion." also, the ash-gary dynamic is like, yeah gary's goading motivates ash, but i don't think that was necessarily gary's goal - if it were i think we would have gotten to see an ash and gary battle much earlier than we did lol. gary doesn't really see ash on anywhere near the same level as him until the viridian gym. he's just a little hater for the love of the game. with goh, his insults are very calculated and motivated. specifically because he sees something in goh that he recognizes about himself - and knows as a result that that's not doing goh any favours.
but the other side of that is, like, simultaneously gary has to prove that he's Better than goh, in order to justify being the kind of person goh should be striving towards. so while he's pushing goh towards self-improvement, he is also forced to improve himself and Prove that he has a leg to stand on here.
i also like that their issues seem really similar on the surface but are actually kind of diametrically opposed. i've said this before, but i think it kind of boils down to, like, gary's a lone wolf because he doesn't think anyone is on his level. goh acts like that's how he is too, but in reality he's scared of not being good enough. so gary's worried others won't be good enough for him, and goh's worried he won't be good enough for others. but again, because goh would rather eat his own arm than acknowledge that, it looks very similar on the surface!
oooh for the ship development ask meme, could I ask for 7,8, & 25 for Asbel and Hubert tbh (if you're not in the mood for it then any ship you vibing with a lot rn)
thank you!!
7: which character confessed their feelings first?
generally i say hubert because asbel is casually confessing his love to everyone all the time lol. hubert finds this deplorable. also this is deeply complicated by the fact that you know. a declaration of undying love to your brother doesn't necessarily mean anything, right?? asbel thinks they're dating and hubert's still like "he's just doing this because he's my brother and he loves me, feeling that his kisses have romantic intent is evidence of the sickness within me. for feeling this way about my brother." lmao.
8: what was their first date like?
god. messy. hubert wouldn't take asbel out romantically unless asbel was disguised as a woman i think. he's almost got more problems with the gay part than the related part. makes me think of the catfishing date nina and i wrote last year lol
25: try and think of either 3 silly or angsty headcanons for them as a couple?
ohh this one is. hard. they are not on my mind much these days lol. i guess borrowing from the last one, a silly headcanon is that if they ever go out on dates, it's with asbel dressed up as someone else lol. and hubert thinks their relationship is a secret but literally everyone knows. and asbel is a bad liar anyway so he's spilled the beans to everyone. another even stupider headcanon is that kerri is actually supportive of them dating because if hubert marries asbel, then he will be a lhant again and legally her son once more <3 marrying (back) into the family
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4: in what areas would they help one another grow?
to be honest hayate's Character Development is the thesis of kipgate, but to be more specific, that development is like, he has to realize that not taking life serious actually hurts other people and so in order to not hurt people, he kinda. has to take this shit serious. maladaptive fantasies are just that, you know. maladaptive. i think even after like, causing kipper to have a literal mental breakdown and realizing that he treated him like shit and needs to make up for it, kipper would still be a very grounding force for hayate in this respect. he's the more emotionally sensitive one at the end of the day and this isn't necessarily healthy at the beginning, for obvious reasons, but eventually it's like, well, hayate's gotta figure out to like. navigate that. like not just ascribing whatever emotion he thinks kipper should be feeling. actually recognizing, oh he's happy, what led to that, does he want to share that feeling with me. or oh no he's upset, can i help, what does he need from me. and everything in between. and in the end like, learning how to de-centre himself in that process, too. sometimes kipper's feelings are his fault (often, to be fair), but at the end of the day they are still kipper's feelings and not hayate's, if that makes sense.
on the other side of this, hayate teaches kip to take life less serious, lol. kipper loves him because he's true to himself and he's free-spirited and he does everything with so much Love. he's so Earnest. this is not something kipper, the most self-hating anxiety-ridden person in the World, can possibly understand. but when hayate is not unintentionally playing mind games with him, hayate helps him forget about the rest of the world and just like...enjoy being in the moment. so i think like, initially they are both on opposite extremes of this spectrum, right, like we have hayate completely rejecting the idea of Consequences because he just wants to be carefree and have fun Now, while kipper is always trying to prove himself to everyone and all he ever thinks about are the Consequences. everything he does Now is for Later. both mindsets are unhealthy, so they kind of teach each other how to meet halfway i think!
Ahhh, I know, these have been done 10 million times, but i noticed i was struggling to find ones specifically designed to help develop a ship. Which is what I use these for. So here's an ask game specifically designed to help you develop a new ship or get back in touch with an old ship.
Whilst this is an ask game, you dont have to treat it perfectly like one. Feel free to copy and paste these and fill them in on your notes app or take turns filling these in in dms with your friends. :)
What appeals you to the ship? Is it based off of canon interaction, personal headcanons, or are you not sure?
What are the character's usual types? Is it one another or are they taking a chance on smth new?
What do they like about one another? Include both physical and personality traits, anything they like.
In what areas would they help one another grow?
What type of dynamic do you see them having? Are they fluffy or steamy? Are they soulmates or doomed to fail?
Which character developed feelings first? And is there a specific moment or way this could've happened?
Which character confessed their feelings first? And how was it? What did they do? How were they feeling?
What was their first date like?
What are their love languages?
Do they have anything they dont like about one another? Any annoying habits or bad incidents in the past?
How would they deal with those things? Do they have open communication or do they just bottle it up?
What interests/hobbies would they have in common?
What interests/hobbies would they try and get the other into? Would they succeed or not?
What are their core values?
Would they adopt pets together? How many? What animal(s)? Did they disagree on the animal(s)?
What would they do to surprise one another?
Is there a couple from another piece of media you could use as a reference?
How fast do they each tend to move in relationships? Does one rush into things whilst the other takes their time? How would they find a compromise?
Do they have any fears or set backs in terms of relationships?
Leave the ship behind for a moment, what are some headcanons you have for them as individuals in relationships? Silly quirks, or any tendencies they need to quit? Are they selfish or a people-pleaser?
Would they get into fights? What over, and how do they move forward?
What would their friends and family think of their relationship? Are they supportive or not too keen?
Is marriage something thats in their future? Do they want to get married? Do they not want to get married? Do they break up before it happens?
Would they want to have kids at some point? Or do they already have them?
Try and think of either 3 silly or angsty headcanons for them as a couple? Depending on the dynamic of the ship, could be anything at all. If you cant think of 3, thats fine.
How would they celebrate things like birthdays, valentines day, anniversaries, etc..? Do they even celebrate them at all?
BONUS OPTIONAL QUESTIONS!
For steamy pairs, how compatible are they in the bed room?
For toxic pairs, would they ever break up? Why or why not?
For immortal pairs, have they known one another throughout history? Were they always able to be together?
For cross-species pairs, what are some ways their different species traits impact their relationship? What silly inconveniences or mishaps happen when a vampire & a werewolf date? Or a fairy and a mermaid? Etc..
For fictional celebrity pairs, what was the public's response to them dating? Were their fans happy?
Ahhh, I know, these have been done 10 million times, but i noticed i was struggling to find ones specifically designed to help develop a ship. Which is what I use these for. So here's an ask game specifically designed to help you develop a new ship or get back in touch with an old ship.
Whilst this is an ask game, you dont have to treat it perfectly like one. Feel free to copy and paste these and fill them in on your notes app or take turns filling these in in dms with your friends. :)
What appeals you to the ship? Is it based off of canon interaction, personal headcanons, or are you not sure?
What are the character's usual types? Is it one another or are they taking a chance on smth new?
What do they like about one another? Include both physical and personality traits, anything they like.
In what areas would they help one another grow?
What type of dynamic do you see them having? Are they fluffy or steamy? Are they soulmates or doomed to fail?
Which character developed feelings first? And is there a specific moment or way this could've happened?
Which character confessed their feelings first? And how was it? What did they do? How were they feeling?
What was their first date like?
What are their love languages?
Do they have anything they dont like about one another? Any annoying habits or bad incidents in the past?
How would they deal with those things? Do they have open communication or do they just bottle it up?
What interests/hobbies would they have in common?
What interests/hobbies would they try and get the other into? Would they succeed or not?
What are their core values?
Would they adopt pets together? How many? What animal(s)? Did they disagree on the animal(s)?
What would they do to surprise one another?
Is there a couple from another piece of media you could use as a reference?
How fast do they each tend to move in relationships? Does one rush into things whilst the other takes their time? How would they find a compromise?
Do they have any fears or set backs in terms of relationships?
Leave the ship behind for a moment, what are some headcanons you have for them as individuals in relationships? Silly quirks, or any tendencies they need to quit? Are they selfish or a people-pleaser?
Would they get into fights? What over, and how do they move forward?
What would their friends and family think of their relationship? Are they supportive or not too keen?
Is marriage something thats in their future? Do they want to get married? Do they not want to get married? Do they break up before it happens?
Would they want to have kids at some point? Or do they already have them?
Try and think of either 3 silly or angsty headcanons for them as a couple? Depending on the dynamic of the ship, could be anything at all. If you cant think of 3, thats fine.
How would they celebrate things like birthdays, valentines day, anniversaries, etc..? Do they even celebrate them at all?
BONUS OPTIONAL QUESTIONS!
For steamy pairs, how compatible are they in the bed room?
For toxic pairs, would they ever break up? Why or why not?
For immortal pairs, have they known one another throughout history? Were they always able to be together?
For cross-species pairs, what are some ways their different species traits impact their relationship? What silly inconveniences or mishaps happen when a vampire & a werewolf date? Or a fairy and a mermaid? Etc..
For fictional celebrity pairs, what was the public's response to them dating? Were their fans happy?
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Several wildfires are forcing members of a number of First Nations to flee their homes in northern Ontario.
âI had time to run home and pack a bag and get to the beach where the boats were waiting,â said a member of Namaygoosisagagun First Nation (Collins). âWe literally had minutes to get on the boats and flee before it took our town.
âOnce we left my house finally after packing what I could in a pack sack, the fire was right behind our place. We had to run to the beach and once we got there, it was only moments before the fire had jumped over the (train) track and was coming for us.â
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Dear diary this list came to me in my dream! Looks like AU-gust 2026 is here...
What is AU-gust? It stands for Alternate Universe August, and it is a creative challenge for everyone. Writers, artists, fans; anyone can join! Be sure to check out our FAQ for more answers! Join us on BlueSky, AO3, Discord and under the tags #au gust and #au gust 2026.
Special thanks to @yaoyorozoops for creating our wonderful graphics!
!! You can now add your works to the AO3 collection for this year !!
[ID] 31 days challenge prompt list as follows: 1 Steampunk, 2 Roommates, 3 Boogyman, 4 Hero, 5 Farmers and Markets, 6 Magic Realism, 7 Long Lost Relative, 8 Alternate Timeline, 9 Seamstress, 10 Arthurian Mythos, 11 Small Business, 12 Reality TV, 13 Cults, 14 Isekai/Reincarnation, 15 Fourth Wall Broken, 16 Only One Bed, 17 Time Travel Fix-It, 18 Sirens, 19 Animal Trainer, 20 Graveyard Keeper, 21 Glitch in the Matrix, 22 Technopunk, 23 Midlife Crisis, 24 Post, 25 Monster Hunter, 26 Soul-bound, 27 Virtual Reality, 28 Bad End, 29 Survival, 30 Earth Two/New Planet, 31 Two of the Above. You have four Jokers: Not Related, Daemons, Furry, TTRPG Players.
Welcome all OC enthusiasts! This entire August 2026 will be all about your OCs, or more specifically, the dynamics between them. Post your writing, art, or whichever medium you choose on Tumblr with the hashtag #ocdynamicsmonth26 and make sure to show some love to other participants as well! Your posts will be reblogged to this blog.
My asks are open for any questions & comments you might have! Please read the rules and prompt guide first!âĄ
Rules:
Original characters only! Fandom OCs are fine, but the characters within the dynamic must be OCs.
Make something (writing, visual art, some other creation) with a given prompt, then post it on Tumblr during OC Dynamics Month and use the hashtag #ocdynamicsmonth26. Interpret the prompts freely and include as many OCs within the dynamic as you wish!
You can post your work late, for example you can post your creation for Day 1 on Day 15 if you want! All I ask is that you don't post them early.
There are no strict rules for what content is allowed. However, I may choose not to reblog something if I feel that it goes against the spirit of the event (AI generated content, hateful content etc). Including content warnings for heavy topics is encouraged!
Event is over but you still want to do the prompts? No worries, keep working on the daily prompts or fill the bonus prompts if you wish! I'll keep reblogging posts for a while after the event is over.
Bonus rule: interact with at least one other creation for each piece you make yourself! Like, reblog, leave a reply, or even send the creator a message if you want - letâs spread the love! âĄ
Prompt guide
Each main prompt contains a type of relationship and an adjective. You can fill a day's prompt in one of 3 ways (using the first prompt as an example): 1. use only the type of relationship â make a piece about ex-friends, 2. use only the adjective â make a piece about ocs with a powerful dynamic OR 3. use both â make a piece about ex-friends who have a powerful dynamic.Â
This year, the bonus prompts are dialogue prompts. You can combine or swap them with main prompts or just do them in addition to the main prompts! You can use the exact wording, tweak it to fit your piece, or simply use the dialogue to inspire your work without using it directly.
Ahhh, I know, these have been done 10 million times, but i noticed i was struggling to find ones specifically designed to help develop a ship. Which is what I use these for. So here's an ask game specifically designed to help you develop a new ship or get back in touch with an old ship.
Whilst this is an ask game, you dont have to treat it perfectly like one. Feel free to copy and paste these and fill them in on your notes app or take turns filling these in in dms with your friends. :)
What appeals you to the ship? Is it based off of canon interaction, personal headcanons, or are you not sure?
What are the character's usual types? Is it one another or are they taking a chance on smth new?
What do they like about one another? Include both physical and personality traits, anything they like.
In what areas would they help one another grow?
What type of dynamic do you see them having? Are they fluffy or steamy? Are they soulmates or doomed to fail?
Which character developed feelings first? And is there a specific moment or way this could've happened?
Which character confessed their feelings first? And how was it? What did they do? How were they feeling?
What was their first date like?
What are their love languages?
Do they have anything they dont like about one another? Any annoying habits or bad incidents in the past?
How would they deal with those things? Do they have open communication or do they just bottle it up?
What interests/hobbies would they have in common?
What interests/hobbies would they try and get the other into? Would they succeed or not?
What are their core values?
Would they adopt pets together? How many? What animal(s)? Did they disagree on the animal(s)?
What would they do to surprise one another?
Is there a couple from another piece of media you could use as a reference?
How fast do they each tend to move in relationships? Does one rush into things whilst the other takes their time? How would they find a compromise?
Do they have any fears or set backs in terms of relationships?
Leave the ship behind for a moment, what are some headcanons you have for them as individuals in relationships? Silly quirks, or any tendencies they need to quit? Are they selfish or a people-pleaser?
Would they get into fights? What over, and how do they move forward?
What would their friends and family think of their relationship? Are they supportive or not too keen?
Is marriage something thats in their future? Do they want to get married? Do they not want to get married? Do they break up before it happens?
Would they want to have kids at some point? Or do they already have them?
Try and think of either 3 silly or angsty headcanons for them as a couple? Depending on the dynamic of the ship, could be anything at all. If you cant think of 3, thats fine.
How would they celebrate things like birthdays, valentines day, anniversaries, etc..? Do they even celebrate them at all?
BONUS OPTIONAL QUESTIONS!
For steamy pairs, how compatible are they in the bed room?
For toxic pairs, would they ever break up? Why or why not?
For immortal pairs, have they known one another throughout history? Were they always able to be together?
For cross-species pairs, what are some ways their different species traits impact their relationship? What silly inconveniences or mishaps happen when a vampire & a werewolf date? Or a fairy and a mermaid? Etc..
For fictional celebrity pairs, what was the public's response to them dating? Were their fans happy?
Anya is live and ready to show you everything. Watch her strip, dance, and perform exclusive shows just for you. Interact in real-time and make your fantasies come true.
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getting obsessed with your own ocs sucks ass because you gotta be the one that makes all the content for them like damn whats a guy gotta do around here to see their made up scrimblos drawn by someone else