Flowey In The DDLC

(credit to monikanon!)

Thanks for being so patient!

We have been working behind the scenes on various things and are currently just waiting for a certain point on the main blog to smoothly put in what we've been working on before we continue the crossover blog.

(I’m not going to post the link for the sake of keeping the final product a surprise to the viewers, but I’m still going to jot down my thoughts.

(For example, while it is funny, we don’t need to put down all of Buttercup’s internal struggle with distinguishing the poems. There’s more, but I’ll now that you have an account, I can just dm you the rest of my thoughts complete with revised images.

(Getting all the scenes on the list in one panel doesn't make sense, but maybe there'd be multiple segments or posts, or maybe two images work, or maybe the idea was for those scenes to show up here too for people that came for more after getting brought in from the news segment.)

(Maybe I'll make and then send you one of the highlight clips as a baseline example. It's not the final product, if you think of ways to improve off of the formula, I'll see if I can incorporate them. Things will get more complete over time, up until we get a draft of the whole sequence, with one final bit of seeing what could be improved from that. Since this might be THE thing that gets people over here, I'll try to make this as good at doing that as it can be. -Monikanon)

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(Oof. It is really tough to make a recap like this that helps fully understand what’s happened while also being brief. Also with the poem part I think it would be important for the last panel to include some bit of dialogue about guessing the meaning of Sayori’s poem before branching into the comforting Sayori scene. We’ll have to make sure each scene connects fluidly with one another. Also including the actual images of the poems would be good so the viewers can read it for themselves if they haven’t already!

(Actually yeah I think it’d be better if we can put each scene in seperate posts, just like how we did with the backstory for your ddlc timeline. That way you won’t have as much of a restriction on how many panels you can put per scene. Besides the fact we do need this to be a summary.

(I’d like to see a sample of possible, absolutely! That way we’ll both be on the same page and if I think I should make some art for the scene I can do it in advance.)

(The submission I gave (which you saw Nat respond to, the final in-character one for a while) was written BEFORE we worked out things aren't going that well and there's a chance this arc won't even be concluded properly. They were written not long after Nat's previous in-character post. And as it should have been apparent, there were never really any commitments on exactly WHAT would happen post-arc on this blog. That's something to be determined later. And Nat's right, the odds of something like what I described are smaller than they were when I said what I did then. And even back then, that was a small possibility out of a pretty big pool of possibilities, I didn't really have a clear vision in mind, just several possibilties of what it MIGHT look like, which is why I had said "more on that when we approach the arc's end".)

(Oh, and guys, full-scale AUs (On the scale of Inverted Fate/Underswap) were never on the table. If the blog's momentum had kept up, and it turned out that we decided that what I described DID happen (as opposed to some of the other possibilities I had in mind, or would have came up with later on, nothing about the future of the blog was EVER set in stone, the idea is we'd work that out when it's time to work that out), it probably would have been short scenarios. Think less "AU" and more simple "What If?", maybe on the scale of ONE of the Undertale Yellow "What If" animations by Robr0. (Except not animated, and I doubt it'd get even close to that level of detail) Also, it wouldn't be too surprising if that REALLY just turned into just broadly saying what might have happened in the same "here's an overview of what might happened". As I said before, nothing was ever confirmed, very good chance it'd never go in that direction at all, we didn't have a direction, we would have worked out where to go with this blog's future when we approached that point)

(And for why Monika hasn't returned, it's probably a combination of a lot of the factors we went over. My current (really rough, and nowhere near set in stone) outline is that the BEGINNING of bringing Ivan back is at the end of Flowey's trip, but of course he's not there for the whole process, the process itself takes up some of the time gap. Then there's catching up with the other girls, but there's also getting MC/Ivan to join the club again, and whether or not HE should know the game-related stuff, and how to catch HIM up into it. That's also going to take some time, and as the characters worked out, Flowey probably can't be there for that process, which means it's part of the time gap. That, and catching up with the others, is what I have right now, as I work out whether or not that's enough for that long of a gap. This is probably something we'll work out more over time here.)

(Oh, and I'll tweak probability a bit so Monika buys Flowey's explanation, or at least doesn't dig enough into it to work out what's really going on. I don't want that to happen either, and there are timelines where this would work. You won't see the results for a while though, for reasons I outlined in my previous submission. -Monikanon)

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(For some reason tumblr doesn’t want me editing submissions anymore before posting them because they say it will mess up the formatting? But I found a loophole around that and just copied and pasted what you wrote into a new post. I’ll also tag you at the end of the posts since there wouldn’t be any more notifications of “justanechoflower posted your submission.”

(Tumblr seems to be making quite a few changes with submissions including the new account requirement plus the fact I can’t edit them now. Oh well. They can’t stop us!!!!

(I have actually made animations before, but quick ones, and they mostly just include Flowey as the main focus in his flower form, which is really simple to draw in comparison to animating people. So yeah, if this fleshed out blog cuts short, we most likely would keep it a brief summary with a few still art pieces from me to sum up how this “what if” timeline would end. Probably in a similar format to the recaps we are going to be making for what’s happened so far.

(Your explanation for why Monika wouldn’t be present for the time between the end of the blog and now makes sense! And so far everything seems like it can line up with the main blog so it’s good that you have that prepared. Most likely when Monika returns to the ask blog, Flowey will be complaining about something alone the lines of “What took you so long? I’ve been having to deal with all these idiots single-handedly for forever!” Opening a chance for you to put in that explanation through Monika.

(With that being said, by convincing Monika to join the club (as the first scene), are you referring to what happened in the void where Sayori and Flowey are both trying to get her to stick around near the end of Monika's time at the main blog, or did you have something else in mind when you said that? (I'll probably be doing one of the other scenes in the list in the meantime while I'm waiting for the response here. And saving the file so if it turns out something needed changing, I can do that)

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(Yeah, I can edit in some Flowey parts! You can just make the news reels as normal (but with images) and then I can add in my Flowey sprite to your photo or just make a whole new image. You can always give advice in the post to [Add _____ scene with Flowey here] and then I’ll add replace the suggestion with the image during the editing process.

(If it does happen, think directly after the end of the game, but Sayori decides to make a blog as another attempt to reach out to the player, or really anyone real, so that changes the events and the backstory doesn't happen in that blog (Though good chance that Sayori still convinces Monika to bring the club back, hence the name of the blog. I made the name vague though so it still works if that doesn't happen, where the blog itself is the new beginning, or life without the club. (Very good chance the blog won't even start, and it definitely won't start SOON, there's this stuff first, but... at least I can submit again, so Monikanon is finally back! (Well, I guess I'm not "Monikanon" anymore since I'm not an anon. Does mean I may send asks to the main blog sometime though, and that'll probably be what I do instead of submitting on the main blog whenever the ask is short enough, once I work out how to do that.))

(Well, good that we have a file solution for my images I'll start the scenes you listed I imagine asks probably have the same problem as submissions with multiple images though. The news anchor thing might just be me sending you a link to one big image where I insert text into the imagine to simulate the anchor report or something. Or maybe I'll do the first half, and you can be the one to "show the footage", like we did with that Flowey fashion show. (It'd also mean I could make the scene, and you could pick out the parts OF the scene that looks most likely for the "news" to use as a hook)

(And... I said a lot, and that's only my response to the first post! I'll get to my response of the others soon enough, but based on what we described, I won't be progressing this blog (that is, working out Monika's response to the newest post) while we're working this out. Until we start getting asks, or I finish these scenes, I plan on focusing on these boosts. Which should also give you a bit of a break. As for the future of submissions after this, I'll see if I can try using images for those as well. Who knows, I might end up making a side blog specifically for the purpose of reblogs to use for this lol)

(Now I'll make my response to the other new posts, though not in-character ones, for the reasons outlined here. THEN I'll actually start on adapting the scenes. After THAT is when I'll try progressing things again and see if we can make that work. If it does, great, if not, we'll wrap things up we described, then I'll work on what Monika did during the time afterwards during the main blog so things are consistent when she returns to the main blog (while I continue the backstory stuff and give updates on that here.) -Monikanon (know what, since I can anon in the main blog, I'm still calling myself Monikanon)

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(Wahoo!!! Welcome back!

(I think your new blog trope does sound cool, if you end up starting it. Sayori would definitely meet some players, but maybe not Ivan… hopefully over time she gets over him, although I know she’s quite the stubborn one.

(The news reel is a fun format for the recap! Good idea. I’ll try to make art for it when it’s ready. Also a warning- long images come out blurry in tumblr, but putting in individual images one by one won’t fit into the tumblr limit, which we already knew. So the best thing to do is to split panels into 4-5 text boxes at a time. Whatever works best so the image is not super long yet also not making too many images.

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Monika:Strange thing is, the game doesn’t actually have anyone that dangerous, but we still have to live like it’s a possibility. Scripted worlds are weird like that. The level of detail the game has can get pretty inconsistent… It all comes down to how much the programmers put into specific parts of the game. It had to look normal to the four of us, well, except for whoever the club president is for some reason… It’s within the world that these bad kinds of people exist, but the closest actual entity to such a thing would have to be the original version of Natsuki’s dad. Yet, we can’t just completely drop this carefulness, or else we just look off to everyone.

Monika:…We at least know for a fact Chara was an actual character. They have distinct traits that weren’t designed to be whatever was convenient. MC is more like.. Frisk but without.. I’m not really sure how to explain it. But the sheer fact MC never even had a character file speaks volumes. Chara at least had the files starting with “truechara”, Frisk’s starts with “mainchara” by the way, though you might have worked that out during your time with six souls… Also, Chara came back because the one running your world apparently made that happen. They probably had enough info from Chara’s appearances there to reconstruct Chara. …It really is a shame it came to that. How that ended up sometimes reminds me of how I messed up with the player… the only difference being I was the one to disappear instead of them, but the end result is the same, and I’m back, while the player is probably playing a different game at the moment. …Although I suppose we’re different in this case, I figure me and the player were probably best to have gone our separate ways, despite how much I really love them…

Monika:I really get why you want Chara back, though considering how things went at the end, I imagine they’d.. probably just try to kill you again. You weren’t able to explain yourself before, because they didn’t listen despite you have already improved at that moment. Why would they suddenly listen this time? …But it definitely would be nice to have back if you COULD get Chara past that… Though I don’t think a race would be that interesting. Either you can’t move because no legs, or you burrow, in which case.. uh, why not just burrow straight from the start to the finish?

Monika:Wait, explaining why you’re alive? But you already are, you’ve been known as Flowey for- Wait, are you actually- Are you talking about being Asriel again?!

Monika:…Maybe I shouldn’t be so surprised at that. As much as you probably don’t want to be seen as Asriel right now. You WERE pretty eager to show off your true form in the original version of the game. Well, not you, you, but like, the version of you that didn’t make a blog and find things out early. 

Monika:But, back to the player character… if somehow, someway, Sayori could reconstruct an actual character from that, I guess I wouldn’t object. I just don’t see it being possible to get anything more than a zombie only saying what’s most generic and convenient for the situation. Basically, I just don’t want her setting herself up for disappointment.

Sayori:The game gave me enough about him to get me to not notice anything weird, at least until after I became president, so I can just make use of that information to fill in the blanks! There’s surely enough to construct a working character file out of! He’ll be just as real as he felt back then. I get that a lot of what happened in the first timeline wasn’t really him! But it’s kind of like what Flowey said, I remember a bunch of stuff from before the game started!

Monika:Which was probably created retroactively when the game started!

Sayori:…Does that even change anything about right now? The game still had to run enough about the events to generate that backstory. Besides, your epiphany didn’t tell you that your actions before then didn’t happen, even as it convinced you everything here was fake and that we were all just sprites. And you said you remembered getting it before the game started? There’s clearly more going on here! I don’t know exactly WHAT, but… it probably has something to do with why we’re still here even though the game already ended! And why it still simulates the game turning on and off sometimes like those memories you had of similar things before the game started that inspired “Hole in Wall” and “Save Me”.

Monika:..Yeah, that is kind of strange. But I guess making use of… whatever this is.. to get more data from outside the normal game script to get a more complete picture of what the player character was “supposed” to be like might not be TOO out there..

Monika:Who knows, maybe there is actually something there. I suppose I’ll see what we can do then. But of course, not until your trip is over.

Sayori:Hmm.. since we’re GONNA have a talk when we’re in the void and Flowey is on his way out anyway, just in case you still haven’t decided to stick around, though I’m pretty sure you will be the time this is over.. Maybe that’s when we can start! You wanna make sure we’re doing something, but can’t stick around in the overworld because it’d make a conflict with you and Ivan in the same house? We can start with some of our and your ideas when you’re in the void for the last time! …Well, this trip, for all we know you could come back! Jot for a while, we’re probably gonna go all in on bringing Ivan back, and I’ll keep helping her run the club again, and we’ll pretty much do the same thing we’re doing with Natsuki and Yuri so he gets to be in the know of all this too without anything happening! So yeah, if you were expecting a return trip to be soon… nope! So you might as well make the most of your time here!

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(“Zombie” in the same sense that Susie called Kris the school zombie that one time. Monika might not be aware of Deltarune, but it’s not like Deltarune invented that figure of speech. Calling people with seemingly zero self-expression a zombie was a thing well before Deltarune. Going strictly off the games, well, yeah, there isn’t much to him, and Dan doesn’t even see him as much of a character. But yet, there are subtle hints towards some actual kind of a personality, if only we piece things together. Also, we’re past the bounds of the game anyway.)

(I could have decided to make entities like Natsuki’s dad or some of the school faculty into actual real characters, but I’m not doing that. For now, until some magic starts getting thrown around, the only characters are the four girls, Flowey, and maybe MC later. The player is still just backstory, if they go back to the game they’ll be met with the same ending screen with the poem and it won’t be relevant.)

(And in case it wasn’t obvious, I am NOT going to be making any use of the “firstrun” file and have the player delete that. No true resets here. If anyone wanted to see a Flowey confronting a Monika who was still doing her thing from the game and preventing the game’s events from even happening, you won’t find it here. That’d just ruin what’s going on right now. Not in a canon post anyway, who knows what we’ll do with this blog after Flowey’s trip is over. More on the blog’s future when we get closer to that point, I doubt me or Nat have really thought it through yet, for now, we’ll just be continuing through Flowey’s trip here until we reach the end. 

(This current arc takes place during the end of Human Flowey. That was close to a year ago. So Monika and Sayori canonically didn’t get back to Flowey for about a year after this trip is over. So I figured I’d take this opportunity to add more of a reason why. That time is going to be part of why she hasn’t shown up on the main blog! It’s probably not the whole reason though. That depends on what happens here.)

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(Flowey crossing his fingers behind his back because God forbid Monika and Sayori find out the real reason they're still here. Only one existential crisis at a time!)

(I'm so not sure about doing another alternate universe since were not even sure if this one arc will be finished.)

(I’m hoping my recap might help with some of the issue, replacing a whole bunch of text with just one bit. If only I could make images show on here without things bugging like they did when I tried to make a poem visually show up on the old blog. Then again, the amount of content would probably break the file size limit if it was all done in the program I use for visuals. (Though who knows, maybe it’s just the new blog format that Tumblr makes new blogs like this one use.))

(Hm, maybe I can work on adapting some of the key scenes into visual format, and then link to where those scenes are? It’d be from Flowey’s POV since I can’t show him, of course. We did get confirmation most of those are canon-compatible, maybe I can bring my reporter character back to the main blog report on this development, now we have real footage of some of that lost time, since it was alluded to before in a previous appearance of the reporter. While of course making it clear this doesn’t necessarily mean all FUTURE content on here is canon, just because everything that happened here so far is compatible doesn’t mean mistakes won’t happen in the future (or, in-universe, the person making the footage faking things) I’ll do my best to avoid contradicting anything, and you can review things later on like you mentioned a while back.)

(Hopefully that should boost things. If not, and we can’t keep this going, maybe we’ll just do what we already would have done if it was discovered something in here broke canon-Where we simply go over a broad overview of what happened in here, so that this arc is still “finished” in a way. If my reporter character ever reports on THAT, it’ll probably be interpreted as the whatever was being used to make the footage breaking, and the rest being this source giving a written account of what else happened)

(For those of you who wanted more of the backstory, well, I may return to it, but it’s now no longer a regular update anymore. There has been one since the post I gave before happened, though, on schedule like I said would happen. But now, I might just shift my attention to visually adapting scenes that happened on this blog.)

(If I ever adapt the old blog (probably the last thing I’d adapt), then during Monika’s time in Flowey’s world, I plan on using the Overworld tool made by the same person that made the Undertale Text Box Generator. This also means you’ll see Monika in Undertale’s style. But that’s far off in the future, this side blog is the one I’m trying to boost after all.)

(Any ideas on what moments would be best to adapt first? What should be highlighted in a potential report on the CONFIRMED footage of Flowey’s time in this other world? What might get enough people curious on what else happened in here to want to check out the blog? Or, alternatively, if the issue is people not being able to keep up.. what set of scenes would be enough to set the stage so everyone is on the same page..?

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(I think I can transfer your files into pictures that can be shown directly on tumblr. I just have to take screenshots of the frames, edit them so they are assembled into comic strips, take a picture of that, and then put it on tumblr!

(You can technically do that too, but I personally have bad experiences with submitting multiple photos at once onto blogs. The images typically get jumbled out of order.

(If the visual boosts don't work, I doubt I'm going to feel much more motivated to continue, so it'd probably be best to end the arc like you said. We'd still have Monika and Flowey interactions- just not on this blog. Even if we do end up returning to the main blog, I agree to either keep using visual representations or to cut down on text so that nothing gets clogged.

(Trust me, I love reading the effort you put into these posts, but many viewers lose interest quickly.

(The scenes I think we should highlight in visual format should include:

*Convincing Monika to go back to the club

*Flowey entering w/ Monika & Sayori for the first time

*Poems day 1

*Girls comforting Sayori about her sad poem

*Natsuki/Flowey challenge to baking competition

*In void planning how to reveal truth to girls

*Sayori wanting to code Ivan back & Flowey wanting to get Chara back

I, of course, can’t do anything with Flowey without Nat. But what I can do is make some of this Monika’s backstory, since I’m the one who has been playing Monika. So, I’ve made a few custom dialogues of what may have happened right after the game. This was originally planned on starting after this arc (more on future plans later), but they don’t really spoil anything, so I figured I might start that now instead, as a sort of intermission before we return to regular schedule. There’s probably more than enough backstory to cover the wait. I’ll be continuing to add to it over time, until regular activities resume (or until it actually finishes if that somehow happens first)

I also decided, thanks to the way the new blog system works, and how buried the original posts in the first blog are, to attempt to give a much more thorough recap than what I gave earlier. The original is enough to get the general gist, and what’s currently relevant right now, but what I made now, to my knowledge, goes over every notable event that happened. Most of you won’t be missing anything worthwhile if you read that instead of the actual posts. This doesn’t replace the original, the original is much more concise. This longer one is for those who wanted even more detail on everything that happened in the two blogs so far involving Monika, but can’t actually read all the original posts themselves.

Thanks to just how big they are though, I’m putting links to them rather than them themselves, though.

Backstory series: https://pastebin.com/4iMqD5V3

Potential contender for longest recap?: https://pastebin.com/ApTfuENs

I’d say at least every 2 weeks or so, you’ll probably see a new part to the Backstory series. That’s the main focus of what I’m doing now, since the current interactions with Flowey aren’t happening.

-Monikanon

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(This is beautiful! I personally have been losing motivation since the work we put together isn’t getting much recognition, yet you keep going strong. You always put a lot of effort into what you make and I admire that. Kudos to you!