what are you even trying to say? the age differences are vast enough to be morally and common-sense-ically (yes i know thatâs not a word, no that isnât gonna stop me) disgusting. its the same way that a 20-year-old dating a 500-year-old (coughcoughSJMcoughcough) is disgusting. legally? no. morally? eugh.
I quoted someone who said she was ânot fully mature adultâ and I took that as the person meaning that sheâs a bit naĂŻve and a bit immature.Â
I am 23 and while it would be weird to date someone who is 33, if we were the same maturity, I donât see anything wrong with it. However thereâs (obviously) a much larger gap in maturity between me and someone who is 13. At a certain point an adult is an adult. Someone who is a year younger than I could have so much more life experience than I and I wouldnât be mature enough to date them. Someone could be fifty years old and have very little life experience compared to me.
way to go, blame someone else for you parroting their (shitty) opinion. if she is ânaive and immatureâ, as you put it, then why is she with breeze, who is decidedly neither naive nor immature? allrianne does know very well how to play people and use her ânaiveteâ to get what she wants, but that in no way makes her half as mature as breeze, who has so much more life experience than she.
also, if that 33-year-old person has the same maturity as a 23-year-old, then iâm honestly worried about them. they... have not learned anything from their life experience, and thatâs just an even bigger pointer as to why the 23-year-old probably should not date them! also, it is literally not possible for a 50-year-old to be less mature or to have less life experience than someone less than half their age. âlife experienceâ means you have to have lived that long and... 50 is a bigger number than 25, last i checked.Â
Also, one of the biggest signs of feminity in Vorin culture is covering the safe hand. When does Shallan or Jasnah ever reveal their safe hands? When do any of the Vorin women reveal their safe hands at any point besides Navani when itâs sexy time with Dalinar? You can see on the cover of Oathbringer and Rhythm of War that they cover their safe hands. That is a (kind of) harmless gender role that they are not willing to break.
the safehand thing honestly cracks me up because... exactly as you said, itâs vorin culture, and vorinism is a religion! ergo, safehands are a religious gender norm that is so greatly integrated bc itâs a religious society. jasnah, despite being atheist, follows it because it is a social norm that when violated by someone of her station can cause great backlash against her house. she doesnât do it because âshe doesnât really care/is comfortable in safehandâ, she does it because expressing your opinions is one thing. publicly denouncing a centuries-old tradition would just be a threat to her family's power great threat to elhokarâs and the kholin houseâs power. taking an example from my own religion: as a woman, would you, a non-hindu (afaik) walk into a hindu temple wearing jeans (which is considered greatly inappropriate)? thatâs the equivalent of what you are saying. safehands arenât a gender norm, they are a religious practice!
Shan is backstabbing, true. Itâs not just the woman at the parties, everyone is out to get everyone in the court. The crew does start a house war so itâs not like itâs the most friendly of times. Allarinne pretends to be vapid but is actually intelligent and does not betray the heroes. Where is stated that the girls who Adolin courts are vapid and backstabbing? Besides Danlan. All of them donât like Adolin because he flirted with other girls while courting them.
thatâs exactly the problem. all the women except vin/shallan/jasnah/lift fall into the same stereotype, and the plot does not paint them well. these four characters, while fantastically written, emit a strong ânot like other girlsâ vibe. we donât have any focal characters who fit the side-character trope, and only a couple of âunfeminineâ side-characters (lyn, tyn, palona to an extent. and the latter two are because of cultural differences). yes, the women at court are very much a product of their society, and doing what they can to survive in a cutthroat world, but my problem lies with them not being seen that way. kliss is the only character of that archetype who is shown in even a semi-positive light. shan elariel is painted as a villain for wanting to solidify her standing in a society that would eat her up otherwise!
I donât like it when people claim that he has poorly written female characters when he doesnât.
no one claimed his female characters were poorly written. we made the entirely valid statement that he does not have enough well-written women. vin and... fine, allrianne and melaan are 3 female characters who have any plot agency/significant impact. shan is not counted bc she dies (see fridging). so 3 female characters... out of how many men again? i wont sit and count, but its definitely >5.Â
in conclusion: youâre simply proving opâs point about the fans over and over. you say that you donât have a problem with criticism of brandon, but you are here jumping through hoops to defend him. just... donât.