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i just think it’s funny if obi-wan and mace are about to have a spar in the training salles and there’s a crowd super eager to see soresu against vaapad and then the two esteemed council members just. toss their lightsabers to the side and engage in an all out fisticuffs brawl worthy of a tatooine cantina.
so funny yoda implies he’d rather train leia bc the implication is that leia is somehow more stable and calm than luke but lbr leia runs on pure home-grown hyper-focused rage and that just got worse after her planet blew up
yoda, realizing that instead of getting a force-sensitive padme he just has an anakin with fancy hair who’s spent years honing her pent-up anger and frustrations into the energy to keep herself going forward at lightning speeds: mistake this was
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I feel like if a clone somehow became force sensitive, or something happend to the chip that was suppressing the force sensitivity, then theyd be able to sense Palpatines force pressence.
I dont know if its canon, legends or fandom, but i see often that the reason the Jedi were never able to sense Palpatine is because he did something or has some artifact that completely nulls his force signature to other force users.
But that never really made sense to me, especially since EVERYTHNG is supposed to be connected to the force and therefore, should have a presence in the force.
So if the murder raisin had a way to null his precence, wouldnt the Jedi be like "yo why this senetor's force signiture so dim/non existant?"
What if instead, Palpatine slowly exposed the jedi/coruscant as a whole to his more dark force signiture, to the point hes able to just have basic shielding and the Jedi see nothing wrong in the force because "its always been like that"
Like how people can expose themseves to small amounts of poison over a long period of time and become immune. The Jedi just got used to the growing darkness.
But this is where the clones come in! Imagine you just became force sensitive in the middle of a war. There would be a lot of negative emotions and darkness, yes, but there would still be light (especially if you are far from Coruscant). You have the bonds of your brthers, the kindness and hope and resilliance of the civilians you are helping. Yeah, theres still plenty of light.
And then you do go back to coruscant for leave or something, and somehow the place thats supposed to be the shining beacon of the Republic, a safe place, is more dark than the active war zone you just came from.
And imagine if that clone somehow came close to the chancellor. All it would take really is just one simple question to a Jedi and suddenly, all of Palpatine's plans crumble.
Jedi start to question, start to realize and look deeper. The older ones start to remember what the force felt like before, and wonder, "when did the force start to turn sickly?"
And it all started because one clone, who happened to become force sensitive, dared ask the question,
I think it could be a fun exercise to treat Star Wars Legends as literally being in-universe legends, with Disney canon being what "actually happened," and try to imagine how the legends developed the way they did.
Like, maybe someone, looking at what survives of the historical record, knowing that Leia Organa and Han Solo had a son, sees a mention of a guy named Jacen who is said to be the son of a Jedi knight and a Rebellion pilot, and that's where Jacen Solo came from.
"It is a story of love and loss, brotherhood and betrayal, courage and sacrifice and the death of dreams.
It is a story of the blurred line between our best and our worst."
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You know those posts about one of Bruce’s kids getting kidnapped and him having no idea which kid they have based on the vague descriptions he’s given? Well now I can’t only imagine Bruce getting the dreaded call and immediately pulling out a guess who board filled entirely with his kids. Like
kidnapper: we have one of your children
Bruce: I have so many of those you need to be more specific
kidnapper: the loud and annoying one
Bruce, flipping down Cass and Duke: that does not help as much as you think it does
kidnapper: well he has black hair?
Bruce, flips down Steph: keep going
kidnapper: uhhhh? He’s short?
Bruce, flips down Dick and Jason leaving Tim and Damian: more specific
kidnapper: he’s been condescending and judgmental since we got him
Bruce: yeah they both tend to do that
kidnapper: he keeps throwing around words I don’t understand
Bruce, realizing that Damian and Tim are significantly more similar than he thought: uhh more specific?
kidnapper: more?? look just wore us the mon— WHERE’D HE HIDE A KATANA???
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I was reading a bunch of different time travel fics, and my brain slotted in that one "Vader hands over the Empire to Leia and is now her most devoted sycophant" dynamic and mixed it with the "Luke and Vader time-travel and Vader does the right thing but only because it would make Luke sad if he didn't."
I landed on "Leia time travels to prequels era, but her least favorite family member has also traveled with her, though it takes him a few months to find her because he has less resources without the entire Imperial Navy, but he's still a scary Sith in all black with a breathing mask and intimidating cape."
"Tiny angry lady who wants to force democracy and her giant Sith father whom she hates but has resigned herself to pointing at threats like a tank who inexplicably loves her" is a delightful dynamic.
The first few months included a lot of concern about "why do you know so much about Sith if you're not trained or looking to be one" and then Vader shows up and calls her 'daughter' and she insults him and it's like "Oh. That explains it."
Council Member: We have a Sith in the Temple.
Vader: Former Sith.
Leia: Listen. He is your best chance against Sidious. Also, do you want Dooku dead? Vader can make him dead.
Council Member: Your father i--
Leia, scrunching up her face: Don't call him that.
Like Leia is deep in conversation when the Temple starts panicking because Vader just. Showed up? He snuck in, somehow? So Palpatine wouldn't catch him on video entering through the front door? And people try to keep her away from the trouble, because there's an entire array of Jedi Masters to deal with this Surprise Sith, except she can sense exactly which Sith it is and once she shouts "oh you have got to be kidding me!" she just starts running and, well, it's Leia. Nobody can stop her.
(Leia does have less combat training, at least less force-assisted combat training, than the Jedi. But then the Jedi don’t want to hurt here here. She's not fighting her way down, either, she's just running really fast and all the best fighters already left. They had a head start. So Leia's mostly running past random padawans and the like.)
She shoves her way to the front of the group of Masters who. Well, they're certainly ready to attack. But Vader is just standing there. Doing nothing. Still intimidating as fuck but he's not doing anything.
And then Leia bursts onto the scene like "You motherfucker."
She hits her head on a clipboard and whines because UGH he's a walking WMD and they could REALLY use him against Palpatine but also. She hates him so much.
She tries to hand him off to the Jedi council but he insists that he will only take orders from Leia herself.
Jedi: Wait, what.
Leia, completely ignoring them: Did you follow me here?
Vader, through the mechanical wheezing: I have no loyalty to my master and no empire to serve. You are all that I have left.
Leia: Me? Me? I'm all that you have left? You committed a genocide that killed all the family I had except for the twin brother you later mutilated!
Jedi: Wait what
Vader, going to one knee: I pledge my loyalty and blade to you and only you, daughter.
Leia, ready to explode: I. I just.
Jedi, some of whom really want to say things but are slowly realizing that they just accidentally acquired a Sith Lord by proxy: What.
Leia: I hate you so much but I can't even get rid of you, you're too useful.
Vader: I live to serve.
Leia: Yeah. Got that. Fuck. Someone get him a full medical rundown, I don't know the last time that mess of a life support system was updated.
Jedi, agitated again: WHAT
Leia: Listen, I don't like him, but I'm not stupid enough to throw away the second most dangerous person in the universe when I can point him at the most dangerous person in the universe. Especially not if he's going to listen to me.
Jedi: But... he's a Sith.
Leia: Please trust me when I say this: you might be able to take him down eventually, but he will take dozens of you down with him, and right now he's... honestly, I'm pretty sure he's more depressed than malicious.
Jedi: You hate him. I can feel it.
Leia: Yes, but I can be professional about it.
Vader: They have not yet d--
Leia: Nope! No talking! Not until I've had a chance to process this mess!
There is a whole lot of Leia snapping at Vader to stop it whenever he starts giving off vibes like he wants to take the most violent shortcut possible.
She is not the gentle hand that Luke would be.
Leia isn't a Jedi or working for them but she's wormed her way into being an ally. They don't 100% trust her, especially not with Vader just showing up and declaring her family but like
How do you say no to a WMD walking into your house and saying "I will fight the monster you cower from at night."
There's a lot of Leia snapping off an admonishment that sounds just a little too odd and then when questioned she just says "He knows what he did."
tbh I'm not sure how long it takes for them to tell anyone that Anakin is Vader. They might hold it off in hopes that Anakin can just retire to be Mr. Amidala after the war is over.
Well, Leia hopes. Vader just lets Leia make that call and then glowers at his younger self every time they're in the same room.
I do feel like Leia tells Obi-Wan the truth first
Imagine. Imagine a Vader who’s past still isn’t known. But has gotten somewhat comfortable around the Jedi (not really but the bar for what counts and comfortable for him is low). And Obi-Wan habitually banters with darksiders, right? If Vader’s guard is down for a moment and he, without thinking, references an inside joke...
Might be the most fun in terms of ways to tell Obi-Wan "We're time travelers and Vader is what happens if you let Palpatine drive Anakin off the edge"
If Vader has decided to pledge himself to her orders after destroying her planet, then fine. She can work with that. She's not going to be happy about it, but she can make it work.
The Jedi Temple hates having Vader anywhere nearby but he is actually very good at hiding himself from people, including Palpatine And for all that Leia seems perpetually irritated with her apparent bodyguard, he does seem to listen to her.
Jedi council: We still haven't figured out how to handle Dooku
Leia: Do you know his location?
Jedi council: Yes.
Leia: [sigh]
Leia: Vader, deal with it. Alive if possible.
(Leia does need to clarify an acceptable level of violence against the people protecting Dooku.)
(She needs to clarify... many things.)
Leia always says "Vader" and one time a poor fool just asks why she doesn't call him dad and she snarls out "He is not the man that raised me, and I am glad for it."
Someone less foolish later prods more compassionately and she lets them know she was adopted and didn't properly meet Vader except in passing until she was nineteen.
"And then he tortured you."
"And then he tortured me, yes."
"Damn."
"Didn't even find out we were related until a few years later when he chopped my brother's arm off."
"You... wow."
"I know."
At least one exchange that is
L: You mean when you tortured me?
A: He did what.
V: I was not aware of our relation at that time.
L: Not the point! I am fully aware of your interrogation methods and I refuse to let you be the one to acquire the evidence for--
A: Wait no go back he tortured you?
L: Move on, please, we already have.
A: That means I'm... oh Force, I'm going to torture my own daughter what in the actual fu--
L: We're moving on.
(“I end up torturing my own daughter”
If Leia’s feeling especially spiteful I can see her saying “you mutilate your own son too”)
Concept: Leia is very free with traumatizing details of her past re:Vader and Anakin thinks that it sucks but doesn’t think much of it bc Sith.
And then some time later he finds out...
(I love characters who use the traumatizing details of their past to shut down conversations.)
It's such a wonderfully horrifying concept for him to try to awkwardly comfort this girl he kind of knows because having a Sith for a dad sounds like it would suck and Leia seems nice, even if she's kind of weird and uncomfortable around Anakin, but he saw her flinch around a few other tall people wearing black robes the way she stiffens around Vader so maybe it's just that!
It is not.
Vader does get a significant amount of medical treatment. Including a bunch of "holy shit, that's a lot of drugs" and similar. There is so much lightning damage.
hnnng I'm just really in love with the image of Tiny Tiny Leia sitting behind a desk for some fancy negotiation, the picture of professionalism, while Vader just stands behind her shoulder, looming, glaring expressionless death at whoever came to speak with his baby girl.
Not that he would call her that, because she'd just hate him more and he's really not sure how to fix that problem, other than doing whatever she asks with no complaints and hoping she appreciates it.
Vader: [looks at children wandering by, has complicated emotions]
Leia, tired of his shit: What now?
Vader: I killed them, once.
Leia, closing her eyes and taking a deep breath: And you're not going to do that again. No killing children.
Vader: I know that.
Leia: Great. I am... regretting asking. I am so very much regretting asking.
I do really like the idea of someone asking Leia once if she wants Jedi training and she says, no, actually, she's fully aware of the fact that she's angry little ball of hate sometimes, especially towards her bio father, and she'd like to refrain from putting herself in a position where she knows enough about the Force to Fall.
She wouldn't Fall.
But it does make people shut up.
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I've read multiple fics where Leia time-travels to AotC or TCW, and I've read multiple fics where Luke&Vader travel to AotC or TCW, but now I want Leia and Vader to travel to AotC or TCW.
She knows he's her bio dad because they're from shortly after RotJ, and he's already done his heel-face turn, and in the process of time-traveling was was Magically Revived buuuuuuuut still needs life support etc.
And she hates having to be around him at all, but has to work with him here because
He's ridiculously overpowered and thus useful
He knows more about what's going on in the field and behind the scenes (even though she knows more about the actual political machinations)
He might just walk right into the senate dome and Kill Palpatine instead of like. Thinking things through.
I think she's very good at compartmentalizing. And also that Vader would be very eager to just... do whatever she says, I think.
In an attempt to gain even a morsel of approval/reduction of hate from her.
Leia doesn't hide her distaste for him, but unfortunately, he is the most useful piece on the chessboard for her. She's the king and her bio dad is the queen because he can do basically anything and nobody can stop him.
Ironically she's leagues better as a boss than the one he's had for the past twenty-five years, despite Leia hating his guts while Palpatine viewed him as the closest thing he's ever had to loving a person or thing.
Because Leia's got Basic Morals about medical torture and benefits.
@firebirdeternal:
Leia: You're a fuckass bitch and I hate you but we are now, regrettably, coworkers.
Vader: I feel like 'father-daughter picnic day' is probably out of reach but maybe I can get her to only sneer internally when I walk into the room.
Vader emerging from the sea of impossible hopeless self-loathing and everything-else-loathing that he was in for decades under Palps' control: No no, I get it, I also hate me for doing the things I did. This is reasonable and correct of her. I commend her for being goal-oriented about this, honestly.
This is a great opportunity for Qui-Gon Jinn's ghost to babysit a Sith Lord again.
It would be really funny if Leia accidentallied her way into making an empire because she kept sending Vader to do shit like kill Hutts so she could get him out of her hair while doing some kind of actual negotiations, and he was terribly efficient at it, and everyone knows this nightmare Sith is her attack dog.
Also I'm realizing that this is just a rehashing of one of my very first Star Wars AUs ever (March of 2021)
she may hate him but she's practical and knows she needs him. Unfortunately
First order of business is the suit. She's scandalized and negotiated for top notch alderaan doctors immediately. Pro : vader can now be deadly a lot faster now con : he can now keep up with her murder strut when she's mad at him
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