Still Not Over That Kiss

This is for fun. I just played the OG again and took note of things I’m excited to see for Part 2 - or at least can hope for in part 2. These are in no particular order

Barret in a Sailor Suit, Cloud in a Shinra Soldier uniform - because foreshadowing fun, Red XIII in a Shinra Soldier uniform trying to walk

What they’re gonna do with the CPR and Dolphin stuff in Junon - I’m really curious

Corel and Barret’s backstory with Dyne and Marlene

VINCENT VALENTINE

Me being angry at Yuffie for stealing my shit

Gold Saucer

Chocobo Racing

The Gold Saucer Date being a shopping date for the girls instead of a romantic date for Cloud and <player choice>. The other option is avoiding the date portion all together and making it more mission based - they get a warning that they have a spy among them or something like that. Whatever option doesn’t add fuel to the LTD.

I think making the friendship between Aerith and the other members of the team really strong will make her death really heart wrenching - so what better way than to have a great time shopping with her, bonding, laughing, and boom - depression.

Nibelheim is gonna look so cool. I really am looking forward to how they have Cloud and Tifa react.

COSMO CANYON

The Palmer fight in Rocket Town - He must get hit by a truck or the GAME WILL BE RUINED (jk.. partially)

Palmer thinks Cloud looks familiar and won’t stop mentioning it - he was there during the Honeybee Inn dance

The Temple of the Ancients and the Forgotten City are going to look insane I think

Zack comes to get Aerith with his cool wings - assuming he’s actually fully dead - after her death - so she isn’t so afraid of the sky anymore.

If Zack is only alive in a second timeline, we get the Laguna treatment and get to play as Zack

The part where Cloud goes nuts and beats up Aerith - the visual of him as a child trying to stop himself from giving the Black Materia from Sephiroth should somehow still be integrated and have Tifa get a glimpse for foreshadowing. Party members stop him before he actually gets to hit her, but fail to stop him from giving Sephiroth the Black Materia

Cid yelling about TEA

Cid running in HD (I think how he runs in OG is hilarious, so I hope they translate that like they did with Tifa)

I’m hoping they end Part 2 at the Northern Crater right as Cloud breaks - what a cliff hanger.

The Sephiroth “illusion” in the Nortern Crater where Tifa starts to question herself, ultimately making Cloud crack - I think people are going to need a lot of tissues.

Snow gear for Icicle Inn - Barret needs a furry white coat so somebody else can call him a Marshmallow. 

Snowboarding will require more logistics to explain how they all get down the mountain. Red and Barret rent a snow mobile and fight the entire time.

One of the mini games at the Gold Saucer is the Honeybee Inn dancing with a few songs to use for difficulty differences

The Battle Square is similar to the Corneo Colliseum so you can have a full party

Hey anon. He will always choose Tifa. 

I think it’s made pretty clear who he truly loves. You’re forgetting that he was under a false persona when Aerith knew him. There is no canon evidence that he had any romantic feelings towards Aerith. We only have canon evidence that he felt romantic feelings for Tifa. 

Aerith being alive when he falls into the Lifestream would have still resulted in Tifa needing to help him. She’s the only one who knows him well enough to do it and she’s the only one that he’ll open his heart to. Cloud’s desire to join SOLDIER was based on him wanting to impress Tifa and have her notice him. 

Mutlishipping is fine, but you can’t claim both are canon when we have tons of evidence stating that he loved Tifa and none that he loved Aerith. It was not up to player choice, ultimately. That’s part of the entire illusion for the first part of the game. Notice you lose the ability to choose after a while. You can’t choose at all after Real Cloud is back. The HA vs LA Highwind scene is based on your early game choices and based on the affection the girl has towards Cloud, not what Cloud feels towards them.

Cloud tells us a lot in the Lifestream. There is not an alternative Lifestream scene, no matter what your choices are. 

There’s also no alternative Northern Crater scene when Sephiroth shows us Nibelheim. If people have ignored Tifa to this point, they’re gonna be pretty shocked by this revelation coming from Cloud. 

So no, there is no ambiguity. The Compilation of FFVII has shown through dialogue, novels, quotes, and supplemental canon materials that Cloud loves Tifa and always has. His SOLDIER persona creates confusion, but ultimately he loves Tifa. 

I learned about the FFVII waifu wars after playing the remake. I played the OG many moons ago, replayed it a few years ago, but really got interested in the character dynamics after playing FFVIIR. 

I foolishly looked up “Is the remake pushing Cloud and Tifa more?” I found the shipping wars… That I never knew existed. 

You see, I played the OG and it was pretty clear to me that the story went a certain way. In fact, I didn’t even associate FFVII to romance. 

FFVII was a story about a villain who was pissed off that a grunt killed him, so he finds a way to come back from the dead through clones that his father made to fuck with said grunt and get revenge on all the humans that wronged his Mother. 

(This is my explanation in as few words as possible, because we all know explaining FFVII would take multiple posts). 

So why did I look up my question about Cloud and Tifa? Well, I was shocked at how they presented them. I didn’t remember this from the OG. Like I said, I didn’t associate FFVII to romance like I did with VIII, IX, and X. Those were clear. FFVII didn’t have this as a main theme. FFVIIR created extreme sexual tension between Cloud and Tifa. 

The fact that there are people now getting death threats against them for liking a ship blows my mind. 

So my addition to this is: Shipping is a something fun to do. It’s something you should enjoy. If you feel that the other ship is affecting you enough to start threatening to take REAL people’s lives, then YOU need to question your sanity. 

The people we’re shipping are not real. None of them. I see “tIfA iSn’T rEaL” all the time, but neither are any of the others. This is supposed to be fun, something we enjoy. People express themselves through writing, art, and analysis. They decide to do things to better themselves, like learning a new language. People become friends over shipping. 

That’s the normal side of shipping. That’s the bulk. It’s not supposed to be people completely trashing each other and going to such extremes as threatening somebody’s life. 

I like to think the DEVs don't make those decisions just to prove people wrong. I'd like for the kiss between Cloud and Tifa to be about Cloud and Tifa, and not Cleriths, so no. I do think in general they decided to be more explicit this time around and leave less wiggle room. Which they have basically already confirmed by stating that the remake will have less room for interpretation.

"In final fantasy VII Remake, there will be much less room for player imagination. This fact will probably change feel of the story considerably. People who know the original might not know quite how to take it. Such is the fear that I have." ~ Nojima

The word he uses is "fear", not "hope". Based on this I'd say that with Rebirth they weren't necessarily intending to put a stop to people making up their own stories, but that it is an unavoidable consequence of telling the story right. With modern graphics and an expanding story you can't really write characters and scenes in ways that can be interpreted a 1000 ways. Because that means writing your characters without a strict identity. They lack clear goals and motivations. It's kinda like the story version of a "spork", by trying to be two things you just kinda end up with a shitty version of both. If you want to tell Cloud and Tifas story as engagingly as possible, then you'll have to have him react to her the way a man in love would, his love should be reflected in his body language and actions. But if you do that, then the LTD is dead, which it now is.

We have a story where Tifa and Clouds courtship is a big part of their continuing character growth, and a game where you're rewarded for maximizing your team members affections for you. But if Cloud and Tifa are already shown being romantically paired even in the most bare bones playthrough of the game, since it's a core part of their story, then you can't have the effort of getting max affection with Tifa culminate at the date with just a hug or something else that could still be sort of misconstrued as not being romantic for the people who can't stand reality. That would be hugely disappointing and anti-climactic, especially since they already hugged in part 1 and already nearly kissed in Gongaga.

Love is in the Air.

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I love cloud and tifa so much, they are each others rocks, they always comfort each other. Their relationship is so strong 💪 😭♥️