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A short (actually long) and incoherent summary of the sun and moon theory from the beginning to end.
Disclaimers
I have a few things to say before I get into the good stuff, I apologize. I would like to clear up that this is all speculation as well as for fun. I don't usually encourage the shipping of real people but in the case that there is a large amount of evidence in regards to it I often like to entertain the idea. I would also like to say that throughout their whole careers Brendon nor Ryan has not denied or confirmed the rumors.
Confirmation of⦠Something
However, Brendon and Ryan have acknowledged their βmomentsβ on stage. In an interview Ryan was asked: βAre you toying with the idea of bisexuality?β To which he answered: βThere was never a point where we were going for that or trying to make a statement,β and, βWe're just having fun,β
In the same interview Brendon spoke about how he is βplayfulβ with Ryan on stage. He said things like: βFor our first headline tour I would go up to Ryan and like kiss him on the neck or kiss him on the mouth,β and βI would hang out with friends and after five or six beers we're just kind of smooching on each other,β
So here, we clearly know they've at least kissed. If it's on stage for fun and Brendon admits to βsmooching onβ his friends, I'd say it's pretty fair to say it's happened behind closed doors as well.
Although, it is also clear that some moments in shows are scripted. This is regarded as stage gay and is a marketing tactic. It's essentially queer bait.
Ryro and B-Den Relationship Timeline
Generally, Ryan is regarded as the sun and Brendon as the moon. However, this also changes based on their relationship status. In 2004 Ryan was with a girl who is commonly referred to as S for privacy reasons. Throughout their relationship and break-up he was highly emotional and it led to beloved songs such as Lying Is The Most Fun A Girl Can Have Without Taking Her Clothes Off. In this time he had taken on the role of the moon and Brendon was his sun, coming to him in a time of need and helping him.
From late 2005 to 2006 Ryan went on to get together with scene queen Jac Vanek. This resulted in Brendon meeting and dating another scene queen Audrey Kitching. Both their break-ups were rough, involving cheating and a faked miscarriage (allegedly).
In late 2006, enters another girl, Keltie Colleen. She was a dancer for them for a VMAs performance and got with Ryan afterwards. There's a lot to get Into here but during his relationship with Keltie is when he transitions from moon to sun alignment.
It was a rough relationship and before leaving to the cabin where Pretty. Odd. was written they went through a very difficult situation. Throughout his time at the cabin Keltie was not contacted and she began to wonder if he was cheating.
From his relationship with Audrey up until 2009 Brendon was always single. He transitioned to his moon alignment during this time. Generally the rule is if Brendon is single he's moon and if Ryan is single he's sun.
Pretty. Odd.
Pretty. Odd. is really when the sun and moon symbolism starts. The first song where this shows is I Have Friends In Holy Spaces which was written by Brendon. He says: βI'm not complaining that it's raining, I'm just saying that I'd like it a lot more than you think, if the sun would come out and sing with me,β I particularly like this because he's saying he wishes Ryan would sing with him more often and enjoys it very much.
Northern Downpour is in my opinion one of the most Ryden heavy songs and gives us so much to work with. In an interview with Rolling Stone Ryan had said, βIt was about touring and girlfriends and love and everything thatβs been important to us in the past few years. Thereβs a line in the song that goes, βI know the worldβs a broken bone, but melt your headaches, call it home.β I told Brendon to pay special attention to that line,β
Ryan had also said that Jon wrote βthe sugar cane part,β but the rest of the song was written by him. Although, it's a very common theory that it was written as a correspondence between Ryan and Brendon. This is especially thought about because of Ryan specifically telling Brendon to pay attention to, βI know the worldβs a broken bone, but melt your headaches, call it home,β
I personally think that the line βI missed your skin when you were east, You clicked your heels and wished for me,β is Brendon talking to Ryan. I think it's referring to Ryan's time with Keltie in New York while Brendon was in Las Vegas or even just while they were all in New York. Also, of course all the βHey, Moon,β lines could be Brendon talking to Ryan but I'm unsure if these are included in the parts Jon had written or not.
There's a lot more to Northern Downpour but that should all be saved for a post of its own. So, let's talk about the next Ryden heavy song, When the Day Met the Night. This song is completely about the sun and moon and leans into the theory heavily. In the song, the sun has he/him pronouns and the moon has she/her but in live performances Brendon has used he/him for both. However, neither me nor my source has found the clip so I'm unsure if it's true.
A very intriguing part, however, is the line: βas long as you can make a promise not to break my little heart and leave me all alone in the summer,β This line is not only sung in first person but it also reveals something extremely interesting. Ryan left the band on July 6th of 2009, July would fall in the middle of summer. I don't think they would have known he would leave, so it's highly possible it's a coincidence but the amount of coincidences that happen to this band is insane.
Vices and Virtues & The Departure of Ryan
Ryan left the band after a very well known time in Capetown. There he had met a woman who he swore to spend his life with. Everyone told him not to chase her and he responded by throwing his passport into the crowd saying, βMy heart belongs in Capetown,β Unbeknownst to him, she had a husband in jail. With Ryan, Jon Walker also departed from the band to join Ryan in The Young Veins.
That's another story though, I want to focus on Brendon Urie β my beloved B-Den. Him and Spencer Smith went on to write the album Vices and Virtues. In this album we have the wonderful song The Ballad Of Mona Lisa. We theorize that Ryan is Mona Lisa.
In The Ballad Of Mona Lisa Brendon says, βSay what you mean, tell me I'm right, and let the sun rain down on me,β which likely references their fight in Capetown. He's telling Ryan to say what he means and tell Brendon he's right, perhaps about the woman they urged Ryan not to be with. The sun βraining down onβ him could mean that Ryan's words were raining down on him. This also has so much substance it could be a post of its own so I'll leave this here.
After Ryan's departure Brendon was always extremely emotional singing older Panic! songs. He could never get through the one line in Northern Downpour that he was always told to pay attention to. He also could never sing the song without crying. At this time he had also started dating Sarah but I don't think he transitioned back to moon alignment until their engagement after Vices and Virtues.
Ryan had sung the song as well after his departure, in 2019 with his girlfriend Elizabeth Berg. Ryan was also clearly emotional while performing the song. However even though he was in a relationship he seemed to be in sun alignment, still in contrast with Brendon. In true sun fashion, he seemed to perform the song very happily despite being emotional.
The Curse Of Celestial Lovers
It's not very well known but Celestial/Star-Crossed Lovers are destined to never be together in the end. This is the case no matter the celestial alignment. Even if it's a moon or sun and star, such as popular ships Wolfstar and Jegulus. However, it is often worse when it's the moon and sun trying to come together.
As of now, Ryan is living alone in LA and Brendon has married Sarah and is living in Seattle. It is unknown if they are in touch or if they have met recently. Ryan has re-entered social media and done shows recently and Brendon is coming back for the WWWY tour to perform in Las Vegas.
I wonder if Ryan will be thereβ¦
Sources:
I urge you to please read my sources as well as they make even more points and provide more evidence!
Something that haunts me a little bit is this one interview where Brendon is at an airport or something and this paparazzi person is just standing waiting for him and asks something about Ryan. I think it was like βDid Ryan ever get back to you?β and Brendon just starts going on his like rehearsed spiel of like βoh yeah no he never got back to me, the last I saw of him was Halloween, etc etc.β This goes on for like a while and this poor paparazzi guy was obviously not expecting such a long answer and heβs confused like βbro what are you talking aboutβ and clarifies something and brendon goes βohhhhhh youβre talking about Ryan Gosling.β
And itβs. Itβs the fact that itβs been years and Brendon hears the name βRyanβ and thereβs only one person that comes to mind. He didnβt hesitate for a moment. And maybe itβs because heβs just been asked so many questions about him over the years but I personally believe that some people become so cemented and important in your life that their name couldnβt possibly belong to someone else and thatβs really special to me. Like Ryan Ross will always be Ryan to Brendon and Iβm sure that Brendon Urie will always be the first person Ryan thinks of when someone says Brendon.
By now theyβve spent much longer as strangers than friends, but those few years were so formative and important and they obviously meant a lot to each other. Their past is so deeply intertwined that no matter how hard they try, they will never completely untangle from each other.
You knew everything about a version of me that doesnβt exist anymore.
I donβt know. Maybe Iβm just being dramatic about them, but like, they are kind of the doomed friendship blueprint. This post was way longer than I thought it was going to be
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"ryan my little emo boy" "ryan come back the kids miss u" "ryan is such a cutie pie :(" boi if you don't get off that parasocial train i fear u are going to crash
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None of these pictures are mine; all credit goes to Panic! At The Disco and all the cool folks that made and/or posted these some years ago on the Net!
Btw I made the ''AFYCSO XX'' thing in Extra Ornamental
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