i can source ops claim from a CONTEMPORARY piece of feminist literature
"Feminism Is For Everybody"(2015)
its true that men are not oppressed for being men this is agreed upon in feminist circles but men are oppressed for deviating from patriarchal masculinity or you could argue as well they are oppressed as a result of the rigidness of patriarchal masculinity essentially men are oppressed for failing as men or as an effect of being men
the patriarchy absolutely benefits (primarily by not exclusively rich white cishet men) broadly but when men live and exist outside of patriarchal norms (which are inextricably white supremacist in nature) they are punished for it black men are simultaneously treated as more masculine while being denied manhood as an aspect of how they are oppressed by nature of being black men men who have failed the white supremacist patriarchal nature of masculinity
patriarchal norms are inextricably heteronormative gay men are treated as effeminate and a lot of homophobia is in turn deeply misogynistic and sexist because they are men who failed the heteronormative patriarchal standards of masculinity
as well the ways in which men are constrained by patriarchal masculinity prevents them from deviating as an effect of patriarchal masculinity men often lose custody battles because men are not supposed to be passionate and loving caregivers men are rarely believed when reporting abuse because men are not supposed to be victims men often have constrained and repressed emotional behavior because men are not supposed to be naturally emotional
and the fact that men are benefited by the patriarchy and indeed uphold perpetuate and enforce the patriarchy does not mean they are incapable of being oppressed by it just as (particularly white) women can and do often benefit from the (cisnormative heteronormative white supremacist) patriarchy especially when they perpetuate those patriarchal beliefs against others ie white women using assumed female fragility the patriarchy imposes on women in order to harm men of color (especially black men) as they are consistently believed over men of color when they claim men of color ave wronged them in nearly any way black men have repeatedly for many many many years been lynched based on the accusations of women not just because they were black but because they were black men and their accuser was a white woman
and despite the fact that women can benefit from the patriarchy and can perpetuate it they are still oppressed by it similarly men are not incapable of experiencing the very same dynamic
similarly white people face negative effects as a result of white supremacy but one wouldnt say they are oppressed for being white especially as despite white being a real social class with real privileges and benefits it is a social construct and is thus both flexible in definition and ultimately not an aspect of nature or even genealogy "white people" exist as much "black people" do this is not to say that they arent real social groups this isnt to say the black people arent oppressed on the nature of their blackness but rather to point out that they are not (despite how they are portrayed) rigid groups whose creation is supported by science
"white people" can and does describe and include very many ethnicities including at times!!! black people who are white passing
and in that regard white people are similarly oppressed by failing to be white enough and as an effect of whiteness someone who is considered white in one context can very easily have that be stripped away at a moments notice in another you can "pass" as white in some contexts but to those who know you arent you will often not be treated as white or even in some contexts you will be treated as white maliciously by people within your own community for your relation to whiteness as well white people are heavily sheltered from the world they are pressured into fear of the other and often stripped of their own cultural identity because they are expected to exist within the homogenized expectations of "white culture"
societally and systemically neither men nor white people face oppression targeted at them BECAUSE they are white and or men but because they are white and or men by nature of the societal and systemic forms of oppression that exist they are stripped of certain rights and it is imposed upon them the very same sexist and racist standards that women suffer under
and ultimately when we discuss things this way it is difficult not to feel as if we are splitting hairs whether or not men are oppressed for being men or because (as an effect of) they are men they are being men and they are oppressed as a result of it
and it does feel disingenuous to imply that the former interpretation is what op meant over the latter just as its disingenuous i feel to suggest that all transandrophobia discusses is simply aggrieved masculinity even you recognize that tansphobia manifests in unique ways for trans men and yet you would choose to hand wave it away as essentially mra behavior
as well it feels disingenuous to suggest that op was referring to toxic masculinity in its origins rather than perhaps referring to the large swathes of feminist literature surrounding examining this concept as well as concepts related to it like aggrieved masculinity which are theories that often and frequently in fact address the fact that while much of these concepts are rooted in men wishing the patriarchy benefited them more in ways that would further subjugate others there is a very real aspect to which aggrieved masculinity does in some small part come from the fact that despite being the workhorses of the patriarchy they are still harmed by it and toxic masculinity is not just harmful in the ways it harms others but also in the ways it harms men
ironically the link to the article you posted about feminists rejecting toxic masculinity as a term is doing the very thing op said instead arguing about the implied dynamic of toxic/healthy masculinity
toxic masculinity as a term in concept in ways absolutely does act as a way to shift accountability away from men who are the very vehicles of this behavior at times and the idea of healthy masculinity juxtaposed with it implies that masculinity is a mans default but none of this actually effectively argues that men are not harmed by patriarchal masculinity simply that it is a poor framework within which to discuss this issue and that in framing it as a mens issue instead of as an effect of the patriarchy it pulls resources from discussing feminist issues as a whole united front
an argument that very EXPRESSLY states the belief that feminism is something with which mens studies should be engaged and actively involved in as the same issue and not separate
finally op cannot source the original claim cannot pinpoint it exactly when it was first discussed but i can very much give A source
this from the book called (unsurprisingly)
as a post note i want to point out the irony in you pickin from de beauvoir and du bois as examples for your argument that feminism doesnt support ops claims despite them being rather old works despite op explicitly stating in the first sentence that it has been accepted part of feminist theory since the 90s and even bell hooks addresses that it is something that took time for feminists to accept
(a passage that directly precedes the previous screenshot fro her book btw)
