Part time human

“Once you go on T, once you start ACTUALLY living as man you won’t care about this stuff.”

Pre T, early T, and non HRT trans men and mascs are still trans and part of the community. The fact that they experience misogyny to a greater degree doesn’t make it unimportant because that might not be the case later.

Even if we made it super easy for people to come out and get on puberty blockers and HRT as children, TRANSITIONING will always exist. Not everyone’s goal is stealth. There will always be non-passing, out and proud trans men, and trans men in “early transition”. There will still be trans men who transition in their 40s, 50s and older who lived their entire lives as women. These are still transmasc experiences, male experiences.

This is all while ignoring the fact that yes, even stealth and passing trans men are still trans. Still experience transphobia, misogyny, and transandrophobia. I know I do. You’re not a “better man” because you don’t (or pretend you don’t).

I’m a trans guy 7 going on 8 years on testosterone. I pass. I’m read as a man in most situations. And I really reject this idea that caring about transandrophobia means I’m “immature” or “attached to being afab.” I’m just being honest about the specific ways power, misogyny, and transphobia intersect in our lives because I’m not insecure about it. I care because I’ve seen how these dynamics persist before, during, and after medical transition.

“Once you ACTUALLY start living as a man”

Is a way to, all at once, say;

“Trans men aren’t men until they start testosterone. And once you start testosterone as a trans man, to be a real trans man, you have to try to be stealth.”

i love when people come onto my post disagreeing with me, and when i go "hey here's some stuff you can read on this subject / here's something i've already written to explain my position / here's just my genuine thoughts written out in detail so you can understand them" they come back with "UM i'm not reading all of that!!!!!!!" okay man i'm not your teacher assigning you homework. sorry for caring about the topic you brought up

trans men & transmasculine people's experiences with transphobia and misogyny and transphobic misogyny, are shaped by patriarchal attitudes around masculinity and how marginalized masculinity is seen not as something to be respected or valued, but a wild irrational dangerous animal to be subdued. this is a fundamental element of anti-transmasculinity (and anti-transfemininity and exorsexism, as well as racism!) you cannot separate the anti-masculinity from the anti-transmasculinity. you cannot even separate the misogyny from the anti-masculinity; one of the biggest things i think we talk about in this discussion is how anti-transmasculinity is a fundamental part of misogyny and the oppression of people classed as women.

transandrophobia is specifically about how this anti-masculinity targets trans men, but its inevitably going to part of the discussion of any person perceived as transmasc's experience of anti-transmasculinity. you cannot escape it! trying to escape it for the sake of not causing discourse or keeping the party line will only weaken your ability to analyze transmasculine oppression, or the oppression of trans people as a whole.

if you like the term anti-transmasculinity because it doesn't have the word "androphobia" or "misandry" in it, i beg of you, engage with these concepts beyond the surface level etymological criticisms that have been made to fucking death. you will learn a great deal on why these terms are used, the material foundations of why anti-masculinity must be discussed in a transfeminist context, and how transandrophobia/ATM theory draws on other trans/feminist works and theories to analyze gender from a transmasculine perspective.

A lot of talk about boymoding and how hard it is but trans men do the exact same thing the other way around and a lot of times specifically because they are forced into sex work

It has writing by everyone from girlmoding full-service ecorts to medically transitioned porn stars.

It's one of the only published works on the topic (in fact, I think it might be currently he the sole published work on the topic in English).