It's like מסעי ואמתי 😌

Are you sending your best? The denial of the claim of religious hierarchy/Apartheid is implicit. It's a deflection, not an equation. Nobody who points out antizionists are seemingly completely unconcerned with any other country's faults is trying to say Israel is necessarily like those countries. That shouldn't be the mandatory baseline we start from. You can try to coat your reasons for why you revel in the fantasy of destroying Israel and killing or displacing millions in fancy academic jargon, but it's transparently... transparent.

And like all other Leftist Twitter discourse, we then pretend to be stupid so we can take all the subtext and context out of the OP and be like "But what do you mean? Oh so you're saying that Israel didn't train with the NYPD? Oh so you're saying that Israel doesn't have a hierarchy? Oh so you're saying that-"

It's obvious that to bring up Muslim "ethno"states with very explicit religious based hierarchy is not to say "Israel is like these and you only complain about Israel, that's singling it out and that's not fair," it is to say "Here are places doing the things you accuse Israel of doing and ignore all evidence to the contrary, yet you've never drawn any attention to their injustices and their culture and people don't elicit a disgust response from you, what do you say to that?"

And it's so easy to dodge this argument, just say "Fine I condemn Hamas too, so now can we discuss Israel's crimes?" or something like that. You can sidestep it, because it itself is not a great argument... to me at least. Like, all humans are hypocritical, at some point, for certain ideas, to varying degrees. Calling someone a hypocrite and then dusting off your hands is a logical fallacy for a reason. But it's a tightrope to carefully walk, because I think it's good to engage with people and ask them to examine the cause of this specific hypocrisy. Most won't, but at least one can say one tried.

It says a lot that most of the antizionist crowd can't even do this. They're so far up their own asses they can't resist the chance to make things more convoluted than they need to be, all to prove they're the most educated in post-colonial theory in the room. All they care about is being Right. And I mean that literally, this is exactly how the endangered species of conservatives in academia act. And that doesn't surprise me because this whole "I'm going to pretend I don't know what you're obviously saying so I can argue against the dummy version in bad faith" is straight out of a Fox News playbook.

Ignoring the cringe of the OP's presentation style, this is a literally a textbook Holocaust Inversion talking point. Now basic facts are not admissible as evidence, as the Jew Hater can simply find any singular example of a Nazi saying anything remotely similar about Jews (or you know just lying) and say "Oh wow, that sure sounds like what a NAZI would say about Jews, huh? You're saying the sky is blue? Curious... the Nazis also believed that..."

Like, at the very least, some of the replies think they got the zinger. "The census data only goes up to 2020, I wonder what happened since then?" Which is invariably ceding the argument then isn't it? If you claim this is a 75+ year genocide, and people point out that the Palestinian population has, what, quintupled in that 75+ year span... those people are the equivalent to Nazis who falsely claimed that the Jewish population grew under their hegemony? You were never wrong for claiming the genocide was ongoing for 75+ years?

So truth can just casually be compared to lies? Just the alleged rhetorical similarity is enough to damn actual literal provable facts now? In any sense, it also demonstrates their addiction to Motte and Bailey arguments. Oh so we can't prove with numbers that the Palestinian population has been subjected to exterminationist policies since 1948 (and before), and we're not so stupid as to claim the census data over the decades is lying... so let's pretend that Israel is committing a genocide now, once the data stops updating, based on vibes and propaganda, but then retroactively apply culpability for all those 75+ years anyway. It's the flimsiest ground you could ever stand on.

Never mind also that Jews pointing out antisemitic microaggressions and dogwhistles is met with the same snarky attitude that I'm applying to this person. "Oh, you think everything calling you out is antisemitism, why does my moral principled stance against drinking human blood trigger you so much? Are you admitting something?" They're doubly hypocrites, because they snark at basic facts and complain about apparent dogwhistles and snark at a minority complaining about apparent dogwhistles (which are not based in facts).

And here we are with more "Israelis commit genocide by not laying down and dying" nonsense. The leftoid hamasniks consider (and have done so for a while now, like since 2014 I believe) the Iron Dome to be "unfair." If equal numbers of Israeli citizens cannot be meaningfully harmed by indiscriminate attacks and even attacks designed to target civilians, then "What do they have to lose by committing genocide?"

It's a childish desire for balancing the scales. Too many Palestinians die for every Israeli, but also the several dozen to hundred or even thousand Palestinian prisoners exchanged for Israeli hostages is also dehumanizing them? I'm not sure how that works.

It has no practical purpose in the real world. If Israel had no Iron Dome, Gaza, and ultimately Iran (probably Hezbollah too) could pummel Israeli civilian infrastructure and population centers and, they hope, wear down the Israeli psyche to the point they all just get up and leave. But again, as many dead Israelis as they can make before that point is nice too. Israel is "too cocky" in a sense because there are no "consequences" despite the UN passing 30 bogus resolutions a day about it and Jews everywhere are increasingly being targeted.

I guess that's a side of the same coin. "We should be able to kill Jews because it's unfair that we can't because they're eeeevil!" Whether that's in Israel or in the Diaspora. That's all purely out of childish spite, but also an unrealistic geopolitical strategy where they think it would break Israel's spirit and it would agree to just dissolve itself or maybe even succumb to conquest. As if Israel wouldn't double down, hit back even harder and more recklessly.

But that would allow the cycle to continue. Spread propaganda, erode Western support/sympathy for Israel, attack it, cull the Jews, drive as many away as you can, use its retaliation as the script for the next propaganda campaign, repeat.

Because let's get to the core of the issue. If Israel had no Iron Dome, probably no shelters too, and no advanced air force or intelligence, if the playing field were even, that would change nothing. The antizionists would only cheer for Israel's downfall more eagerly because it would be more achievable. The conflict would not reach a morally neutral ground in their eyes, not even close. Israel willingly leaving itself vulnerable would not be applauded as a virtue, it would be seen as a weakness that the antizionists feel they have the "right" to exploit. Then they will achieve their political goals unencumbered (forget about the nuclear arsenal, don't worry about that).

The entirety of Twitter was braying like donkeys all week that the movie is "100% about Israel" and praising James Gunn for being "anti-Israel" and "anti-Zionist" but yeah, sure... suddenly you all pretend there wasn't a highly public victory tour from Hamas supporters when the movie was released and that Israelis could see that. Now it's all in their heads to the point they're telling on themselves for objecting to the movie because they accept the parallels you all made?? Do I have this right or should I have a few more debilitating strokes so that I can see the world from your point of view?

Yeah... I don't know the man, but I don't let people lie about their intentions. I'm too chronically online and I've been paying attention too closely for too many years to be fooled by what people say vs what they obviously mean. I do it with Republicans, and I do it with Berniecrats too. If it don't apply let it fly. If I'm wrong prove me wrong.

Are you really responding to a post I wrote over a year ago noting an interesting trend of people appropriating terms used for anti-Jewish violence that has been upticking in recent years?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that my thoughts about the subject cannot in good faith be applied to anything post Trump 2.0, including the insane plan to "temporarily" relocate most Gazans (or what percentage of Israelis approve of it), nor fucking Alligator Alcatraz.

I also never said immigrants' fear was "frustrating." I quite explicitly remember saying I understood the fear. I only noted, again, that it's interesting just how many Leftists have come to start using terms like "blood libel," "pogrom," and of course, "Holocaust" in the wake of Al-Aqsa Flood.

And I'll say it again: being so vehemently opposed to Jewish self defense, caring not at all for a thousand Jewish lives snuffed out in a single day, mocking survivors and their families, whining "what about" before a single IAF bomb fell in Gaza... but then suddenly using the specific terms like blood libel and pogrom to talk about violent rhetoric against non-Jews? What are we doing here?

And how many immigrants are even talking like this? It's the white citizen "allies" who are talking like this anyway. Here we go again, "I don't care about Jews but I should get to appropriate the decades of Jewish intellectual labor and activism, as well as centuries of Jewish oppression and suffering, to say what I want. If any Jew objects why do they support GENODICE??"

He has that one unattainable pet issue and everything else coalesces around it. The Rightists want the Ethnostate, most of the rest of their policy ideas are in service of that. Project 2025 is their Bible. The Leftists want the end of American hegemony, and they don't care about the consequences. They view Palestine as a microcosm of every group of people America has ever oppressed. And so it is that every other policy platform must bend the knee to Palestine.

I think they know that this "end the American Empire and destroy NATO and any other American ally" fantasy is completely incompatible with "end capitalism and transition to a socialist luxury abundance economy," or maybe they don't.

But to them, Israel is not just a state that has and is committing human rights abuses (like many other states but whatever). It's the apotheosis of American influence in the Middle East, possibly the whole world. Just like the Rightists think there's a cabal of Jews funneling money to Democrats, encouraging mass immigration, and forcing Woke Ideology down everyone's throats to weaken the White Race and desecrate America's status as a Christian Nation, Leftists think there's a cabal of Israelis who are the last hurtle to ridding the world of violence, war, segregation, colonialism, even capitalism.

In fact, a lot of Leftists think climate change is tied to Palestine's liberation at this point.

But that's the thing, that anyone with a brain could tell you. Freeing Palestine, and I mean from the river to the sea, purging "Zionists" everywhere... will do nothing to fix climate change (considering all the Israeli technology that would be lost in the chaos and the probable desertification of the land, it would be a detriment to climate action), will do nothing to stop global capitalism, will do nothing to quell the rising tide of fascism. Just like doing whatever the Rightists think should be down about George Soros won't fix any of their perceived problems.

So when a politician is very close to becoming the mayor of the largest city in America, and he thinks like this? No, it's not a cute look. Thankfully, he'll have to contend with the entire governmental apparatus of local and state politics. He'll have to compromise, he'll have to take his job seriously and not just wield power to pursue his ideological purity crusade. And the Leftists will turn on him just like they turn on every Leftist who acquires power and is then forced to use it responsibly to, you know... govern?

They don't want a competent mayor, even one with new ideas that probably wouldn't pass a vote. They want a revolution. They want the free stuff they were promised, including a Free Palestine. In actuality, those are all just words, and when it comes to Israel and Palestine, when they can't get what they wish for snapped into existence, one of two things happens:

The more normal supporters are content to just use this all as virtue signaling. They will "own" Israelis on Twitter, stick out their tongues and say "Hahaha New York City has a pro Palestinian mayor! You tried to silence us!" and they will turn a blind eye to antisemitism of course. They never cared. Their only interest is in being sore winners and "punishing" the Democratic Party.

The deranged supporters will go out and do antisemitism, because they're frustrated that politics are politics and Zohran Mamdani can't arrest Netanyahu through the ether, can't shoot his eye lasers at Israel and disintegrate the entire IDF at once. So they'll keep protesting, keep harassing Jews, keep threatening Jews, keep assaulting Jews, and keep killing Jews. Mamdani will give the most milquetoast condemnations and try to keep the focus on Palestinians, and in the process tacitly encourage the deranged supporters to keep up the good work.

The "normal" supporters will then demand that we all should focus on shielding Mamdani from Republican attacks and yellow journalism, all while they gaslight Jews. I mean, the Leftists are now saying that it's actually Israel holding the reins, and America is the puppet. So they don't even believe it's American hegemony anymore. They fully believe it's Zionist hegemony, and that's responsible for colonization, war, genocide, global economic systems that keep hundreds of millions of people poor and hungry... they're antisemites!

If you look up antisemitism on his account, he only ever brings it up to complain that people/Democrats are “weaponizing” it, or to demand that any condemnation of antisemitism or discussion if it must include a condemnation of Islamophobia and anti Palestinian racism.

If you look up anti-semitism, it’s a largely similar story, whining that any criticism of (specifically Muslim) leftists’ Jew hating rhetoric is a distraction, covert Islamophobia/anti Palestinian racism, or right wing hypocrisy. There are a few instances of talking about Bernie Sanders too I guess. He seems most earnest when discussing how antisemitism is a tool used to scapegoat communism/socialism (or maybe it’s the other way around, but it’s clear Jewish safety and dignity is just a vehicle for his particular economic goals).

Shut the fuck up! 🤢 The Democratic Party stands for: economic opportunity for the poor (which a majority of Chasidim are btw), racial justice (which Jews have always been a part of, as recipients and activist allies), LGBT rights (which most Jews approve of), environmentalism (literally a core tenet of Judaism), pluralism/democracy/the rule of law (a thing that 99% of American Jews proudly support), I could go on? Like I really could.

This reminds me of an interview I saw years ago where a man was talking to Likkud voters and he interviewed a woman in Ashkelon and she kept saying "Bibi keeps us safe [from Hamas rockets]" and the interviewer asked "is there anything another party could do to sway your vote?" and she cut him off and said "nothing, nothing, only our safety matters."

But at least then, you know Bibi is also a Jew, and has a vested interest in the security of his fellow Jews. He may be a corrupt criminal and possibly a monster, but he will never be insincere about keeping his people safe. I can understand why Likkud voters can put everything else to the side if that's what they care about most. What the fuck does the Republican Party, the party that happily hosts Nazis and radical Christians who make supercessionists look like unhinged philosemites, offer to Jews? How are they keeping Jews safe when it's clear their real goal is to use Jews as a sword and shield to consolidate power and hurt their personal enemies?

Do you really want to be the cynical bargaining chip of delusional Christians? Isn't there more to living a Jewish life and being part of a Jewish community?

Trump's stupid ass deport Hamas students plan solves a very current problem that helps a few thousand Jewish college students, maybe it helps discourage the constant marches that incite harassment and property damage, literal hate crimes? But in the long run, especially with his "Shalom Mahmoud" shit, he is putting a target on Jews' backs and the Republican Party as an establishment cannot make a significant dent in American antisemitism, even if they were sincere. This is just a drop in the bucket. They welcomed the Tate brothers back to America with open arms??

They can't actually quell leftist antisemitism (they might make it worse) and they have zero interest in dissuading rightist antisemitism. The Democratic Party also couldn't do all this alone. And I'll grant, whatever side of the aisle you're on, you're going to inherently view the other side's messaging as disingenuous at best. Republicans think Democrats' messaging about the poor, racial equality, etc. is all virtue signaling and often "the real racism" etc.

You might not see how that for the majority of Jews who are on the left side of the aisle, they see the same thing when a Republican starts grandstanding about antisemitism. They're not likely to abandon the rest of their values for this illusion of safety. There are millions of Jews in Israel who refuse to vote for Likkud for similar reasons, and they're frankly in more danger and their right wing nutjob politicians actually want to keep them safe and actually can do something about it at the level of the State. Likkud doesn't punish Jews who are "disloyal." Why would American Jews give up even more for even less?