Clarification: Marc Lamont Hill lost his job at CNN in 2018 for simply saying "free Palestine from the river to the sea" at a UN meeting. He has since become a mainstay at Al Jazeera English.
Just typed up a transcript of the video excerpt posted above:
Marc Lamont Hill: The UN said that the humanitarian situation quote, "will only deteriorate exponentially, and that crucial life-saving supplies, including food, fuel and water, must be allowed into Gaza.” So the UN is saying: you must do this. You are saying… you’re not going to do this. Um, how do you…
Danny Avalon, Former Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister: No, we’re not, we’re not saying that.
Hill: He’s saying, do it immediately.
Hill: He’s saying, do it immediately.
Avalon: I — I got you. I’ll tell you exactly what we’re saying. We’re saying: we will do everything for the Gazan people. Once and now we demand immediate surrender, unconditional surrender of Hamas. If Hamas people come out with their hands up and clear their weapons, believe me, everything will be restored to Gaza. It is Hamas — in Hamas’ hands.
Hill: OK, now I understand. Thank you for clarifying that, sir. I think we’re actually on the same page here. You’re saying that once Hamas leaves, you’ll grant the Gazan people food, shelter, fuel, electricity, hospitals, schooling. And if they don’t… "if Hamas doesn’t leave, then you’ll continue to starve, and die in hospitals." You are defining, for the international community right now, collective punishment. You’re saying, until Hamas acts differently, the 2 million people in Gaza are going to be treated this way. And once Hamas acts differently, these 2 million people will be treated better. That is exactly what collective punishment is. You’re holding them accountable for the actions of others. That is the textbook definition of collective punishment. Now, you may accept that that’s what you want to do, but this is absolutely in contravention of international law.
Avalon: Well, I’ll tell you exactly — no. Had we pushed people to the wall, but we’re not pushing them to the wall. We want to open a humanitarian corridor so they can leave. But if Hamas, if Hamas —
Hill: So that who can leave? Who can leave? Citizens?
Hill: You’re saying civilians can leave? But only through the Rafah border, correct?
Avalon: At this point, yes. Because, where else?
Hill: YOUR COUNTRY! They could come into Israel!
Avalon: … I’m telling you, uh, one more thing I want to tell you…
Hill: No no no, I want you to address that point. Don’t just smile, sir. Respectfully. You’re saying…
Hill: You’re making a corridor. They can go to Egypt. You’re bombing them. You say you want to save them. But they can’t come in.
Avalon: … I’m … (stumbling) … first of all, I’m not smiling, I am crying in my —
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