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I'm the author of Heart on the Table over on ao3, and the proud owner of a large percentage of Dad Papyrus fics! I write a variety of undertale fics on ao3, and make fanart and fancomics on tumblr.
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A Definitely Normal Fanâs Guide to Papyrus Undertaleâs Dialogue
Do you want to write Papyrus Undertaleâs dialogue? âŚOr just read a way-too-in-depth analysis of his speech habits? Then youâre in the right place! Hereâs a breakdown of some tricks, tips, and copious amounts of analysis I use when writing him.
I made this for myself to reference, but a couple of people wanted to see it, so this is a cleaned-up version.
Disclaimer: I make no guarantee that this is the most accurate thing out there, even if I use lots of references. There is extrapolation in this, so a lot of it is up to interpretation.
These are just my personal notes that I made public.
Edited: I fixed the formatting so you can actually read it on tumblr.
Punctuation
Exclamation points!
Papyrus uses a lot of exclamation points⌠He uses them more often than not. He is constantly shouting. Mostly frequently, he uses one. But he also uses more! Like this!! Or this!!!!!
Examples:
- âSANS!!! THAT DIDNâT DO ANYTHING!â
- âI CANâT BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT!!â
- âPURPLE TILES ARE SLIPPERY!â
- âTHIS PUZZLE⌠IS ENTIRELY RANDOM!!!!!!â
Scroll through any of the linked references (at the end of the post) to see how often they appear.
But donât let this fool you into using exclamation points for every sentence. He uses periods and other low-energy punctuation occasionally in normal dialogue.
In serious dialogue when Papyrus lets his mask drop for a few sentences, he also uses more periods and other low-energy punctuation.
Geno Route Examples:
- âI, THE GREAT PAPYRUS, HAVE SOME THINGS TO SAY.â
- âNOT ONLY DO YOU NOT LIKE PUZZLES. BUT THE WAY YOU SHAMBLE ABOUT FROM PLACE TO PLACE⌠THE WAY YOUR HANDS ARE ALWAYS COVERED IN DUSTY POWDER.â
- âIF FEELS⌠LIKE YOUR LIFE IS GOING DOWN A DANGEROUS PATH.â
Talking with Undyne Examples:
- ââŚWHAT? DID I CAPTURE THEMâŚ? W-W-WELL⌠NO. I TRIED VERY HARD, UNDYNE, BUT IN THE END⌠I FAILED.â
- ââŚW-WHAT? YOUâRE GOING TO TAKE THE HUMANâS SOUL YOURSELF⌠BUT UNDYNE, YOU DONâT H-HAVE TO DESTROY THEM! YOU SEE⌠YOU SEEâŚâ
- ââŚâ
- ââŚâ
- ââŚI UNDERSTAND. IâLL HELP YOU IN ANY WAY I CAN.â
This is theorizing based on a couple of sentences, but Papyrus is also much more subdued (low energy punctuation) when he thinks heâs alone with Sans. (*More on this scene later.)
Examples:
- âHEY, SANS, HAVE YOU SEEN MYâŚâ
- "OH, HELLO. YOU ARENâT SANS.â
- âWAIT A SECOND.â
There are a lot more examples of Papyrusâs mask dropping (And therefore his punctuation and speech patterns changing), but I want to move past the first bullet point sometime todayâŚ
Quotation marks
Papyrus quotes things more than onceâhe repeats phrases and such back to the speaker, or makes it clear heâs repeating something someone has said in the past.
Iâm not very confident in my analysis of this section, so I will just give some examples. Make of them what you will.
Examples:
- PEOPLE WILL ASK, TO, BE MY, âFRIEND?â
- YOU KNOW WHAT âSUP,â BROTHER!
- I HAVE MANY âSOCIAL MEDIA CONNECTIONS.â
- ARE WE POSTING HOT "PICS???"
These are some of the only appearances of this, so itâs not frequent.
Interrupted/Incomplete sentences/words*
Papyrus often interrupts sentences and words with punctuation, making them grammatically incomplete.
Examples:
- âTHEN I'LL!!! BE FORCED!!! TO ASK UNDYNE FOR HELP!!!â
- âUN. BELIEVABLE.â
- âHA! HA! YES! HUMANS MUST BE VERY INTELLIGENT! IF THEY ALSO FIND JUNIOR JUMBLE SO DIFFICULT!â
Short sentences*
Short sentences. Papyrus uses very short sentences. He also uses a lot of ellipses to trail off earlyâŚ
Examples:
- âFRISK⌠TAKE A HIKE. HIKING IS GOOD FOR YOUR BONESâ
- âPSST. MAKE SURE TO GIVE HER THIS! SHE LOVES THESE!â
- âIâM JUST A DOZEN AWAY⌠FROM A DOUBLE DIGIT FOLLOWER COUNT!â
Scroll through any of the linked references (at the bottom) to see more examples. Itâs everywhere.
PAPSLOCK
Papyrus speaks exclusively in capslock. (Thereâs a bit about how I deal with this in the âMiscellaneous Tipsâ section later.)
*A note on both the short sentences and interrupted/Incomplete sentences/words:
Both the short sentences and a few of the interrupted sentences are most likely due to Papyrus's text size and dialogue box. He CANâT say long sentences or it wonât fit! When he has more space to talk, he does so, as seen in the Valentine's cards sent out in the Winter 2024 Newsletters. It may also may be because long sentences in all caps are much harder to read.
The ellipses especially appear to be less of a characterization thing, and more of a "making longer sentences actually fit in a text box" thing.
So feel free to play around with sentence length if you arenât trying to fit his dialogue in a tiny box! Often times, dialogue that works in a text box is too stilted and short in fic format.
How Papyrus refers to People
Referring to himself
Papyrus refers to himself in a variety of ways! The most common is âTHE GREAT PAPYRUS,â but thatâs not the only one.
Examples:
âTHE GREAT PAPYRUSâ
âMASTER CHEF PAPYRUSâ
âPAPYRUS: UNPARALLELED SPAGHETTOREâ
The point isnât to grab these directly (though you can!) But that he doesnât just call himself great. He makes up random titles!
In the genocide route confrontation he switches from using âTHE GREAT PAPYRUSâ to simply âI, PAPYRUS,â This also happens during the date/hangout with him, when heâs turning the human down.
In the English version of the game, Papyrus doesnât typically speak in third personâhe introduces himself.
Examples:
- âAND I, THE GREAT PAPYRUSâŚâ
- âHUMAN! I, THE GREAT PAPYRUS⌠WILL GO ON A DATE WITH YOU!!!â
- âI, THE GREAT PAPYRUS⌠HAVE NEVER BEEN BEATEN AT DATING, AND I NEVER WILL!â
- âBUT ALAS⌠I, THE GREAT PAPYRUS⌠HAVE FAILED.â
- âI, THE GREAT PAPYRUS, WILL SOLVE THIS CONUNDRUM!â
- âFRET NOT HUMAN! I, MASTER CHEF PAPYRUSâŚâ
He puts âIâ in front of itâthere are a lot more examples Iâm not grabbing.
Most of the time he simply introduces himselfâhowever, there are a few uses of third person. Typically, itâs in places where third person makes sense to use in the context of the sentence.
Examples:
- âPAPYRUS! HE SMELLS LIKE THE MOON.â
- âPOWERFUL! POPULAR! PRESTIGIOUS!!! THAT'S PAPYRUS!!! THE NEWEST MEMBER⌠OF THE ROYAL GUARD!â
When he does use third person (from what Iâve seen) itâs never paired with âThe Great Papyrus.â If heâs calling himself that, heâs introducing it as a title after saying âI.â
Referring to Others
Papyrus doesnât use nicknames very often⌠unless you count the mangled âFlowyâ and âHappstablookâ (which isnât wrong. Itâs just his headcanon.)
When talking about Sans to other people, Papyrus sometimes refers to Sans as his brother. He also just calls him by his name.
Examples:
- âMY BROTHER ALWAYS GOES OUT TO EAT. BUT⌠RECENTLY, HE TRIED 'BAKING' SOMETHING.â
- âMY BROTHER WILL⌠WELL, HE WON'T CHANGE VERY MUCH.â
- "I WILL NOW SEND YOU TO THE CAPTURE ZONE!! OR, AS SANS
CALLS IT⌠OUR GARAGE???"
- âHEY, SANS, HAVE YOU SEEN MYâŚâ
But when Papyrus is talking directly to Sans, he just calls Sans by his nameâexcept for once, at the very start. The famous quote: âYOU KNOW WHAT âSUP,â BROTHER!â which is seemingly for humorous purposes.
From what Iâve seen, Papyrus calls Undyne by her name, Alphys by her name, Asgore by his name, etc.
He has called Alphys âThe Great Dr. Alphys.â
He called Toriel âMOMâ once.
He calls Frisk âHUMANâ for most of the game, however, he switches to âFRISKâ as soon as he learns their name.
Examples:
- âWOW, FRISK⌠THIS REALLY PUTS OUR RELATIONSHIP IN A NEW LIGHT.â
- âIT'S OK FRISK! I'VE GOT YOU COVERED!â
- âIT SEEMS LIKE YOU REALLY BOTCHED YOUR QUEST, FRISK.â
- âFRISK, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A WALK AROUND?â
- âYEAH, FRISK, WHY DON'T YOU FLY?â
- âFRISK⌠TAKE A HIKE.â
So⌠As an overview: Papyrus doesnât really use nicknames for anything other than humorous purposes or on one off occasions. (That we see.)
Papyrusisms
I donât know how else to describe this⌠Papyrus really loves language and playing with it. The level of language manipulation Papyrus does is most definitely on purpose. Here are some of his vocal quirks that make his voice distinct:
Alliteration/Rhyming
Papyrus often uses alliteration and rhyming. Things that make sentences roll off your tongue!
Frequently, the alliteration is paired with either Made-Up Words, or Esoteric Words. (Seen later in this section) Wanna make Papyrus use alliteration but canât think of a good one??? No problem. Just. Make up a word!!!
Examples:
- âNO! I'VE BEEN DOGBURGLED BY THAT PERNICIOUS PUP!â
- âI'M SO ENTHUSED BY YOUR ENTHUSIASM!!!â
- âWOW⌠YOU'RE TRULY A PUZZLE PASSIONEER!â
- âNOT AS PERSISTENTEST AS PAPYRUS, THE PERSISTENTESTEST!â
- âSO INSTEAD I CRUISE WHILE I SNOOZE.â
Weird metaphors, Made up Idioms, changing common sayings
Thatâs the best way I can think of to categorize this. He uses odd metaphors, makes up idioms, and messes around with common sayings, and just⌠in general says incredibly odd things.
This one is more practice and a mindset shift than anything. You can try to recycle some of the canon phrases, or make up your own. Donât be discouraged if you canât think of anything, though! Itâs⌠really hard to match Papyrusâs sheer level of out-of-pocket eccentricity. Practice makes perfect!Â
(Personally, Iâm better at messing around with existing sayings than I am making weird metaphors. I like to use a saying, and then ask myself, âhow could Papyrus use this in a literal fashion jokingly?â)
Examples:
- âWE REALLY ARE BOUND TOGETHER. TWO BONES IN THE SKELETAL ANATOMY OF FATE!!!â
- âSEEING AS THIS SPAGHETTI IS STILL HERE SOMEHOW⌠I HEREBY DONATE IT TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S LIKE A PLAYGROUND FOR YOUR MOUTH!â
- âAH-HA! INTERESTED IN MY FOOD MUSEUM? PLEASE. PERUSE MY CULINARY ARTSHOW.â
- âPREPARE YOURSELF!! FOR HIGH JINKS! FOR LOW JINKS!â
Puns/Jokes
Papyrus tells a LOT of jokes and puns! He bemoans Sansâs, but actually makes more than Sans. (Though, Papyrus has a LOT more dialogue than Sans, so itâs not a fair comparison. If I wanted to get into the actual frequency Iâd want to do a percentageâhow many lines do they have vs. how many jokes they make. But then itâs skewed because Papyrusâs text is larger, so he has less text per box, so really it should probably be joke to sentence ratio instead⌠âŚYeah Iâm not doing that. But Papyrus makes a lot of jokes, okay?)
Papyrus is the guy at the party who plays up hating the jokes, and then makes his own right after. âŚIncreasing the humor of it dramatically when he does.
Examples:
- âAS FOR YOUR WORK? PUT A LITTLE MORE, "BACKBONE" INTO IT!!!!â
- âSO LET'S LET BYBONES BE BYBONES.â
- âI CAN'T BELIEVE I'M FRIENDS⌠WITH A BONE-A-FIDE OPERA STAR!!!â
- âWAIT, WHY ARE THEY A ROYAL GUARD AND NOT ME!? I LOVE TO BE PET TOO!!! SIGH... IT'S ALL JUST A PUPULARITY CONTEST.â
(I included the full quote, not just the pun, because I LOVE THIS QUOTE. PET THE SKELETON, OKAY? SOMEONE PET HIM AND TELL HIM HEâS A GOOD BOY. HE DESERVES IT. HE EVEN PLAYS FETCHâ) (âŚAhem. Sorry. Wrong post for this. Next time Iâll put my âProof that Papyrus Undertale is Actually a Dogâ up. (/half joking. I do have a document like this. I probably wonât post it, though. I donât normally post any of my analysis. (does that COUNT as analysis???)(AHEM AGAIN. SORRY. BACK TO PAPYRUS PUNS.)
- âI ALWAYS MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER... WHEN THEY'RE DOWN IN THE DUMPS!!!â (Said when you call him from the dump.)
- âOTHERWISE, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED IN THE XYLOPHONE. SOMETHING ABOUT ITS SOUND⌠TICKLES MY RIBS.â (Interview 1)
There are more, but I think you get the ideaâŚ
Made-up Words/Phrases
Papyrus makes up words and short phrases! As a disclaimer, I may make mistakes and mix up âmade-up wordsâ with âesotericâ words. (Shown in the next section.)
Examples:
- âNYEH HEH HEHâ (The amount of âHEHâs differs)
- âNYOO HOO HOOâ
- âLOOKSYâ (âTAKE A LOOKSY!â)
- âWOWIEâ
- âDOGBURGLEDâ (âNO! I'VE BEEN DOGBURGLED BY THAT PERNICIOUS PUP!â)
- âPASSIONEERâ (âWOW⌠YOU'RE TRULY A PUZZLE PASSIONEER!â)
- âREADIED-UPâ (âOKAY! ALL READIED-UP TO HANG OUT!?â)
- âCHECK IT OUTIE!!!â
- âNYEHFULLYâ (âNYEHFULLY YOURS, PAPYRUSâ)
- âBONETROUSLEDâ (âWHEN YOU WENT MISSING I GOT WORRIED SICK!!!- SLIGHTLY BONETROUSLED, PAPYRUSâ)
- âPERSISTENTESTâ/âPERSISTENESTERâ/âPERSISTENTESTESTâ (Incorrect grammatical forms of the word âPersistentâ)
(Want some help on how to make up words or phrases and otherwise manipulate the English language? Check out: this post (1) (itâs phrased as an article for advertising, but the advice in it is very useful), this post (2), or this post (3). Or try playing a game like Balderdash )
(Huh. Writing this post has given me a new headcanon. I bet Papyrus would LOVE Balderdash and Scrabble and word games. âŚI really wouldnât want to play against him, though)
Papyrus frequently:
Changes nouns into verbs (or vice versa) (ie. How Papyrus of you!)Â
Adds prefixes and suffixes
Invents the word he needs (Bonetrouseled)
Esoteric Words (or words otherwise not typically used in everyday English by most people)
Papyrus uses a lot of odd words that most people rarely use! Older words, or just specific ones!
Examples:
- âALASâ (He pulls this from a Shakespeare quote⌠you could add in a few of those)
- âCURSES!!!â
- âPERNICIOUSâ (âPERNICIOUS PUPâ)
- âBOONDOGGLEâ
- âLOATHSOME SCOUNDRELâ
- âHEREBYâ
- âJAPEDâ
- âPONDERâ (âWHO COULD HAVE BUILT THIS, YOU PONDERâŚâ)
My List of Funny Words I Think Fit the Bill for Papyrus to Use:
Discombobulate
Fuddy-duddy
Kerfuffle
Ornery
Rambunctious
Rigmarole
Skedaddle
Skullduggery !!!!!!!!! (DOUBLE PURPOSE PUN!)
Bodacious
Gnarly
GoggleÂ
Malarkey
Balderdash
A list of more funny words
When Iâm using really odd words, I try not to use them too often, and when I do, I (try to) make sure context is clear so people donât have to pause and look up the word if they donât want to. I donât want to go around bamboozling my readers! Nobody enjoys the rigmarole of stopping to figure out what kind of malarkey I'm spewing and being discombobulated by needing to stop to find a definition every five sentences.Â
Improper word usage?
No idea how to classify this one, but sometimes Papyrus doesnât use words in their proper ways! Iâm just pulling examplesâmake of it what you will. (He doesnât do this very often.)
Examples:
- âYOU DIDN'T DO A VIOLENCE!!!â
- âYOU SHOULD LEARN A PRIVACY.â
A few characterization notes
Stuttering/Stammering
I know some people avoid writing stutters out like this in fics, but for analysisâs sake: Papyrus has moments of stuttering, stammering, and using filler words when nervous.
Examples:
- âH... HI, UNDYNE! I'M HERE WITH MY DAILY REPORT... UHHH... REGARDING THAT HUMAN I CALLED YOU ABOUT EARLIER... I THINK, UH... HOW DO I...â
- âY-YES! OF COURSE I DID!â
- âW-W-WELL...â
- â... W-WHAT?â
- âSO, UH, JUST WALK BACK THERE, AND...â (Walking through a puzzle in a geno route.)
- âR-REALLY??? WOWIE!!!â
He gets flustered a decent amount in game.
Confidence!!!
Is it false bravado? Is it real? Iâm sure you have an opinion (I certainly do), but this post isnât about what Papyrus thinks. Itâs about what he says! And Papyrus certainly says a great many things about himself! Wanna toss in some self-deprecation as well? Please do! (Heâs got a few lines of bashful modesty in canon as well!) But heâs got a level of thick-skinned, ballsy self-confidence⌠well. At least his words do!
âŚBut Papyrus gets flustered if you compliment him. On the flip side, if you insult him, his response is immediate and unflappable deflection and confidence.Â
Example response to insults:
- âYOUR BARBS HIDE A HIDDEN AFFECTION! YOU EMOTIONAL CACTUS!â
- âHOW SELFLESS... YOU WANT ME TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT FIGHTING YOU... THERE'S NO NEED TO LIE TO YOURSELF!!!â
Example response to positive things (flirting, or just being kind if you go the hangout route):
- Youâve got all the stammering after flirting and such, but alsoâŚ
- If you say yes to hanging out: âR-REALLY??? WOWIE!!!â
- (If you compliment him:) âNO!!! A GENUINE COMPLIMENT...!!!â
Most of it is pretty silly, but even if the fluster is for show, itâs there. And more importantly: it doesnât just happen when flirting. It happens if you do friendship, too! Which means heâs just⌠responding that way to positive things.
(I could ramble about the implications of Papyrus not blinking twice at insults, but scrambling for a composed response to praise, and what that implies heâs used to⌠but that is rambling about character analysis, not observations. He breaks my heart and I love him, your honor.)
Self-Aggrandizing Language Unlinked to an Insult or Compliment:
âWELL...! HUFF IT'S CLEAR... YOU CAN'T! HUFF DEFEAT ME!!! YEAH!!! I CAN SEE YOUÂ SHAKING IN YOUR BOOTS!!! THEREFORE I, THE GREAT PAPYRUS, ELECT TO GRANT YOU PITY!!â
âOH NO!!! THAT HUMILITY... IT REMINDS ME OF, MYSELF!!!â
âDON'T BE SO JUDGMENTAL, UNDYNE. MY SHACK IS A FOUR STAR ESTABLISHMENT.â (Unused text in game) (Some modesty! âŚAnd yet still confidentâŚ?)
âWAIT! I KNOW WHERE TO LOOK!!! IN MY COLLECTION! NYEH HEH HEH!!! SOMETIMES, I'M A GENIUS. ALL THE TIME.â
(Note: everything in these parentheses is my headcanon/character analysis. You didnât ask for this. Terribly sorry for straying from cold, hard, canon-provable fact for a bit.)
(But I feel like thereâs a common thread among how Papyrus talks about himself and the technique heâs using⌠Check this post out (CW: discussion of suicidal thoughts) regarding using self-aggrandizing to build self-confidence. (Can also be used as a defensive mechanismâŚ) This appears to line up with the way Papyrus boasts. Especially when you consider the joking lines that are more modestâ (four star establishment!))
(Personally, treating Papyrusâs humorously cocky statements like this helps me write them in a way that I think feels in line with canon. Heâs not actually arrogant in a way that makes him act like heâs better than other people. He just talks like heâs great, and so is everyone else.)
Serious moments and dialogue!
I talked about this a decent amount back in the punctuation section, but is worth talking about again down here. Papyrus isnât as over the top in more serious segments (E.g. Parts of the geno route confrontation, when at home with Sans, when talking to Undyne about the human, when talking to the human after Undyne is hurt/killed, when turning you down after a date/hangoutâŚ)
Itâs not just his punctuation that changes during these times. Heâs also less inclined to use Papyrusisms. There can still be some quirk to his language, but itâs much less over-the-top.
An example of a more subdued Papyrusism:
- âHEY, I⌠REALLY DOUBT WEâRE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANG. ITâS HARD TO IMAGINE, BUT⌠YOUâLL HAVE TO SPEND TIME WITH NOT ME.â
The type of fanwork Iâm making is a large determination of the type of punctuation and amount of Papyrusisms he uses. Hurt/comfort that takes place mostly in front of Sans? Probably much less enthusiasm. Fluff taking place with the entire cast? Copious amounts of Papyrusisms and exclamation points. Longer form fics where heâs a main character have both.
That one scene in Sansâs room
I said Iâd talk about this more. So here we are! In the game, if you get the key to Sansâs room, you get a very short cut scene with Papyrus. For a very brief, but telling time, Papyrus thinks you are Sans and says:
âHEY, SANS, HAVE YOU SEEN MYâŚâ
âOH, HELLO. YOU ARENâT SANS.â
âWAIT A SECOND.â
This dialogue is worlds away from his usual way of talking, even in just three sentences. English speaking fans probably pick up on thatâbut the Japanese localization confirms that Papyrus speaks entirely differently when he thinks itâs just him and Sans.
Here is a quote from the official Legends of Localization book for Undertale in regard to it:
âPapyrus always uses the pronoun ore-sama - except in one scene. If the player enters Sansâ room, Papyrus will barge in to ask Sans about an action figure. In this one scene, when Papyrus thinks itâs safe to be his true self, he refers to himself as boku. This detail adds charm to Papyrusâ personality not present in the English line.â
He basically entirely drops the whole âThe Great Papyrusâ shtick. If youâre interested in it, hereâs a post that goes more into the Japanese localization of the game, and how Papyrus speaks. Itâs got some interesting character notes!
(Also, I highly recommend reading the Legends of Localization book for Undertale. Itâs very interesting and contains a lot of behind-the-scenes info about stuff!!!)
Skin/Hair/Muscles�
Papyrus references skin! And hair! And muscles!
Examples:
- The very ripped snow skeletonâŚ
- âI'D LIKE TO DRIVE DOWN A LONG HIGHWAY. WIND IN MY HAIR⌠SUN ON MY SKIN...â
- âYEAH, BUT I COULD STYLE MY HAIR!â
Itâs done on rare occasion, and seemingly always for humorous purposes. I could have probably lumped those quotes into the "joke" section... Oops.
Miscellaneous Tips
PAPSLOCK
This is a take it or leave it thing when making fan content! Most people use all caps, but not everyone does. It can be hard to read.
Personally, I post my fics in sentence case for accessibility, but then use a custom work skin and HTML on Ao3 to make Papyrusâs font and PAPSLOCK optional to toggle on or off. (Iâve found some screen readers struggle with all uppercase.)
When making comics or short-form content (and therefore no HTML), I put it in caps. This is a personal preference.
Capitalization can be fun to play with. Just like Sans switching from talking like a lazy texter to speaking in grammatically correct sentence case with the creepy spacing⌠it's fun to have Papyrus drop to sentence case sparingly when he always uses uppercase.
When using all uppercase, I like to shorten those sentences, make them less complex, and break them up somehow if Papyrus is rambling for a long time. All uppercase is hard to read, especially if it goes on for more than a line or two.
When in doubt, recycle quotes from canon! You donât have to overdo it, but occasionally finding a good quote or line to sprinkle in can make it seem more like Papyrus.
MY GUIDING PRINCIPLE WHEN WRITING PAPYRUS:
âA localization team member explained the goal for Papyrusâ text early on: "You can Google a lot of Papyrusâs lines and he is the first search result because no one else has ever said anything like it. Thatâs the kind of dialogue we should be striving for with him.â (âLegends of Localization Book 3: UNDERTALEâ p.120)
(I just spent 2 hours looking through my physical copy of Legends of Localization to get this quote exactly right and not paraphrased. CTRL F DOES NOT EXIST IN PAPERBACK. ALAS.)
This concept has completely changed the way I tackle Papyrusâs dialogue (when heâs being silly). Make it unique! Things never said before!
On a note of âLegends of Localization Book 3: UNDERTALEâ â I just really recommend reading it if you want a better grasp of how Papyrus or any of the characters talk.
Localization is different from translation â instead of being direct, it adapts languages to the culture of the place itâs meant for. Which means the localization team had to come up with a BUNCH of brand new sentences! And still keep the core of what Toby wanted!
Which means the book is FILLED with Toby helping the localization team learn how to write like the characters! And thereâs a crap ton of explanation for Tobyâs reasons behind saying thingsâwhich really, really helps writing new dialogue, even in English! Whoâda thunk?
To test the Papyrusyness of my sentences, I write in sentence case!
If it looks like something Papyrus would say in sentence case, I can be sure it will when itâs uppercase. Most writing programs have a tool to switch to uppercase afterwards.
I also reread it in caps locks after writing in sentence case just to double check it seems right.
You can get creative with Papyrus's inner thoughts!
Whatâs Papyrus like at home? How does he act around other people, and how does that change from person to person? He masks so hard itâs impossible to say what heâs like in a million different situations.
But if his characterization and vocal habits are different from canon in most of a fanwork because of the tone or location, I find it helps to maintain his speech patterns in some situationsâit makes it clear that when you put him in a different situation (e.g. being angry, being at home, being comfortable) that itâs still the same character.Â
Personally, if Iâm writing something super serious where Papyrus just⌠isnât throwing on a mask, I still try to fit in a short scene with his canon vocal habits (even if itâs just for a sentence or two as he claws for normalcy). Or I fit a few subdued Papyrusisms in there.
Bonus Points for RPG References. If you want to go the extra mile and really add some Toby Fox flare, reference old RPGS. There are so many references in Undertale.
I donât know any old RPGs so I really canât do this⌠But! I try to add my own kind of flare by occasionally referencing either games I do know, or!!! By referencing popular Undertale Fandom content!!! Meta⌠or at least I try.Â
On this note: disclaimer. Some of the Papyrusisms in this post may be accidentally mis-categorized references that I didnât recognize.Â
It's easy to fall into the trap of making Papyrus too formal, or using only eclectic words. But Papyrus uses casual language, too! Itâs what makes him feel realâhis silly language is used to spruce things up, but underneath it he still has moments where he talks casually. It takes him from being a caricature to being a person.
(There are notes on this in Legends of Localization, (in regard to all the charactersâsomething along the lines of âthey talk like cartoon characters, but then they turn around and talk casually and thatâs what makes them feel realâ) but Iâm not going through it for hours again to find it.)
Papyrus also says âWOWâ instead of âWOWIEâ several times. Those Papyrusisms arenât all the time.
And just a general tip on writing voiceâŚ
I often write my entire fic or chapter without worrying about Papyrus's dialogue AT ALL. Sometimes it comes naturally. Sometimes it doesnât. I donât let myself stress if I have a large section of conversation where his voice doesn't shine.
Instead, I finish everything, and THEN, when Iâm editing, I come back to this paper, reread it to refresh my brain, scroll through some of his phone calls to pick up the right vibes, and then I go back and tackle his dialogue. Most of the time I can keep the message the same but make it sound more like something he would say.
Overwhelming post? Donât know where to start? Have no idea how to incorporate this naturally, but you do want to? Try grabbing a few things from the âPapyrus-ismsâ section and adding them or replacing things.
E.g. changing âWOWâ to âWOWIE,â or âLOOKâ to âLOOKSY.â Add in a weird metaphor, or alliteration, or an esoteric or made-up word. Pick one thing to add at random and see if it helps! You could also try sneaking in some in-game dialogue.Â
Take it slow. Thereâs no need to overwhelm yourself. The most important thing is to have fun!!! Take or leave WHATEVER you want from this.
THE MOST IMPORTANT TIP!!!!
Is this stressing you out??? Does trying to integrate this advice suck the joy out of creating?Â
IF SO. Throw It All Away!Â
Close this post and forget it exists. You create fanwork for fun, not profit. Or maybe you do it to process your emotions, or maybe youâre doing it for a friend. Whatever the reason is, you shouldnât allow âproper characterizationâ or âproper dialogueâ to get in the way of creating, or to suck the joy out of it for you. (And this whole analysis is all some random personâs interpretation, anyway. Like. This is not an authority.)
The right way to write him is the one that makes you happy. No one other than Toby Fox himself can write Papyrus the exact right way, so who cares how close you get?
Donât let your fear of writing something OOC stop you from creating. (An old, but relevant comic I made.)
Now with that said!
Final Notes and Links
One last note:
I feel the need to disclaimâI definitely missed some stuff here, and got some wrong. Iâm sure I misinterpreted at least a few things! Thereâs just⌠so much. So, so much. These are just the points I try to keep in mind when writing Papyrus (and Iâm not always the best at following!) I wrote this for my personal reference, so itâs biased around my interpretations and headcanons and the things I focus on. I just polished it up and shared it because I heard from a few people that they wanted to read it.
âŚOne extra last note:
If anyone tells you that Papyrusâs dialogue is easy and you should be able to do it no problem⌠give them four middle fingers, okay? Two from you and two from meâŚ
Itâs fucking HARD! So just have fun about it and donât stress too much.
One super duper very last note: (That I originally planned to put in the tags:)
if you couldnât tell, i am unhealthy levels of fixated on papyrus, iâve got so many observations stuck up in my head, (and in scattered notes), but i never want to share them, because iâm worried people will think that i think that my interpretation is the only right one, and thatâs not true!, take this post with a grain of salt, i also never want to get in one of those headcanon wars, they stress me out just watching, why canât we all just agree to appreciate everyoneâs interpretations of the character?, why do we have to be jerks to people that do something a different way?
âŚon that note, taking this chance to say, if you shit on OOC writing, or on people interpreting a character a different way than you, I will block you., this list is to help people if they want it, not to judge, fandom is for FUN, and writing people OOC can be fun, you donât need a degree in a character in order to write them, donât ruin other peopleâs joy. If you donât enjoy someoneâs works because a character is âoocâ, then donât READ them, they arenât for you, it doesnât matter if âhe wouldnât say thatâ, you are not entitled to a fandom creatorâs work, Donât. Be. A. Dick., donât like donât read
AHEM. âŚWith that said! Uh. If you found this post helpful or actually end up using it to help you write Papyrusâs dialogue, please consider letting me knowâŚ? Iâm really curious if anyone actually finds this mess of an info dump useful.
http://pcy.ulyssis.be/undertale/calls (All Papyrus and Undyne Calls - I recommend using this one over the link above, because you can see what Undyne said as well - it provides context)
https://undertaleqa.tumblr.com/post/150442760868/questions-complete (Undertale Q&A "Papyrus whats your favorite food")
https://toby.fangamer.com/comics/grillbys/ (Grillbyâs Rouge Gallery (Newletter) - Doesnât contain direct dialogue, but references speech habits - More useful for characterization than direct dialogue)
https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/winter22/ (First newsletter - contains comic and single line of Papyrus text outside of that)
(I believe Iâm missing some items from earlier newsletters, released before I was in the fandom. In addition, canon-adjacent dialogue is missing from this list - Kickstarter, Trailer Videos, etc.)
Valentineâs Day Cards -Â
DEAR VALENTINE,
IF I KEPT YOU IN MY SHED, I WOULD FEED YOU CAT FOOD INSTEAD OF DOG FOOD!
DEAR VALENTINE,
IF YOU SEE SANS, PLEASE TELL HIM TO TAKE DOWN THE HEART-SHAPED BALLOON STUCK IN THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE FROM LAST YEAR!!! A DOG KEEPS GETTING TIED UP IN IT AND BECOMING A FLOATING 100 POINT HAZARD!!!
DEAR VALENTINE,
I READ YOUR LETTER! I UNDERSTANDâŚ
YOU ARE CHALLENGING ME TO SEE WHO THE BEST VALENTINE IS!!! WELL, I WONâT LOSE!!! MEET ME OUTSIDE AS SOON AS YOU READ THIS! AND TELL SANS TO BRING THE RED FRILLY CONSTRUCTION PAPER!!
With you having done a few underfell fics, I was wondering if you had any headcannons for underfell gaster specifically?
Since in your finding home series hes a big softy and I want to know if you see that extending to the fell universeďżź
EHEHEH!!! Thank you for asking!!!! :D I freaking love asks.... So for your question! I tend to change up my headcanons depending on what story I'm writing, so I'll just answer this for How To: Gaster specifically, I suppose?
Underfell Gaster Headcanons:
He's not actually related to Sans or Papyrus at all.
He's a dickwad, and harsh, and spits insults and threats at anything that moves...
He also tosses bread and scraps to the skeleton orphans when he passes them on the streets simply because he doesn't need the trash anymore, okay?!
...He remembers a time when the world wasn't so cruel. When he would have taken in those skeleton children in a soulbeat.
He upends his garbage can over Sans's and Papyrus's head sometimes. (It's nobody's business if that trash can has some gold and a few papers advertising under the table jobs that need someone scrappy to work for them, and very little actual trash.)
(It's also nobody's business if he threatens said places that if a small skeleton shows up, they will hire him.)
As soon as Sans looks old enough to ditch his stripes, Gaster yoinks him off the streets and glares at him as he sets him in the lab. "WELL? GET TO WORK! I DON'T KEEP TRASH EMPLOYED."
(Sans is not, in fact, old enough to remove his stripes, but no one else needs to know that.)(Gaster knows.)(The entire lab knows.)
(None of them say anything.)
Those that work at the labs are off limits to other monsters. Everyone knows Gaster will be pissed if something happens to one of his employees or their families, because he despises inefficiency. And Gaster is not a monster to get on the bad side of.
No one mentions anything about the small area in Gaster's office that's set up with a few desks and education materials that are much too entry level for anyone that should be working at the labâelementary school level, really.
No one mentions Papyrus showing up when Sans works.
Gaster will spit insults at Sans and Papyrus, but he also makes sure that if Sans is coming in in threadbare clothing, or the boys are looking a bit dim from lack of food, that Sans gets a raise. They live much better than orphans should, really. (It's still not enough. But it's as much as anyone can have in this fucked up reality)
Gaster is harsh to his employees, but he does still praise them in a standoffish way when they preform well. Positive reinforcement is scientifically proven to be important, after all. He's not particularly kind about his praise, and much of it is backhanded, but he still gives it.
He refuses to admit how much he loves that Sans pokes fun at him and teases him. And his heart certainly does not melt when Sans drags Papyrus in on their lunch break if Gaster hasn't stopped to eat yet. He's quite annoyed by how Sans won't leave until Gaster eats too, in fact. (He's not)
When Papyrus is a bit too bright and optimistic, a large part of Gaster wants to scream and clock him on the skull and hide him away because he's going to get himself killed.
He can't. Every time he'll meet Sans's socketsâtoo young, too tired, too jaded, and yet still not scolding his brotherâand clam up. If anyone else in the lab tries to harass Papyrus or Sans, Gaster will simply yell and threaten them about something unrelated until they shut up.
(The lab is a haven of safety. The employees love Gaster for it. They also have a soft spot for the boys. In a way, they're a community, committing the treason of caring for these children instead of killing them.)
(They're harsh and sometimes cruel, but Gaster does not tolerate dust being spilled in his lab for any reason. Arguments must be taken outside. And really... none of them care to take those arguments outside.)
Gaster is thrilled by how intelligent both the boys are, and he can't really hide it. The children are brilliant, and Sans has moved onto graduate level texts while he's still young enough to be in stripes, technically. Papyrus isn't far behind.
Gaster is the only one Sans trusts to babysit Papyrus.
Gaster loves babysitting Papyrus. (even if none of them call it that)
Gaster starts to melt behind closed doors when it's simply him and the boys. His insults falter. His digs lack the barbs they once had. The praise softens and becomes more commonplace.
(Gaster is one of the reasons Papyrus learns kindness.)
Gaster starts to clean out his apartment and reevaluate if he has the space for three. He knows its dangerousâthat being claimed by him would put a target on the children's heads... but he can protect them, can't he?
Perhaps. Just maybe. There's a possibility. That Gaster is planning on asking Sans and Papyrus if they want a place to stayâwith him.
...But you know how the story goes from here, I imagine. Just when he's trying to gather himself to ask, he falls into the CORE.
Heyyy, now that A Lie for a Lie is finished, you can actually see the parallels. How To Gaster really is just Finding Home Gaster that got the short end of the stick and stuck in underfell.
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How do you guys like your stretch to be characterised? I really love it when people make a fumbling bumbling nerd- but chill laid back stretch is hot too
Normal things, definitely. That dog is TOTALLY a dog and not your skeleton neighbor shifted into blaster form. Mmmmhmmm.
And if that dog is totally just a dog, that means that Papyrusâs older brother DEFINITELY didnât catch him canoodling with the neighbor, being given pets and called good boyâŚ
(This just in, ur honor, but I love that skeleton)(normal amounts, definitely)
fuck it, if i'm mis-advertising this fic as a comedy, I might as well send one of my favorite snippets so far (Plz ignore the tense change from the last snippets - I changed my mind and it's all being changed to past tense now)
HELP PAPYRUS HAS NOW BEEN EQUIPPED WITH TALKING PET BUTTONS AND HE'S OUT OF CONTROL.
How kind of Papyrus to do "Buddy" this favor and record these buttons. Surely there's no self-serving purpose as to why he put so much emphasis behind the "pets" one!
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i didnt realise ao3 was started in response to lj deleting account relating to p//edophi|ia and they explicitly support the posting of such works yikes
it wasnât, like, ~~~we luv pedophilia, it was way more complicated than that!
although itâs true AO3 does allow all fannish content provided itâs properly warned for, thereâs a long history there - of spaces being used by fans until the host decided whatever we were doing was too weird and distasteful and either kicking us off, banning certain content, or changing the nature of the site until it was no longer viable as a host.
youâre referring to the LJ Strikethrough of 2007, which, being an ancient crone, I lived through, and since I was hanging out in the last vestiges of SGA and in bandom, I saw some of the fallout. this was before LJ was sold to the Russians (which is a whole ânother story), when it was still owned by Six Apart; in an effort to clean up LJâs act, Six Apart decided to delete all accounts using tags like underage, incest, rape, etc.
this was supposed to get rid of actual child porn on the site, and I hope it did, but it also targeted fan communities. this was a problem for a couple reasons; for one thing, not every story tagged with these words is in favor of them; for another, these things happen to real people and these personal posts were also potentially in danger of being attacked; for the last one, look, I ainât into this kind of fic but people write about what people write about, and if itâs fictional and not explicitly banned in the TOS (correct me if Iâm wrong; I donât think written content about this stuff was banned?) then itâs not cool for a content host to just start deleting communities without warning.
but thatâs what happened! these deletions were also primarily targeting slash communities, which smacked of some serious homophobia since things were deleted that had nothing to do with any of this kind of content.
eventually someone found out it was this super conservative religious group whoâd sent a list of journal names to Six Apart, and who if I remember correctly targeted slash fic on purpose, even after it became clear that the fic was, well, totally fictional. after a while, Six Apart admitted theyâd made a mistake and started to reinstate journals, but all of fandom was pretty shaken up.
THEN Boldthrough happened, which was essentially the same debacle several months later, at which point fandom began its long slow migration from LJ to GJ, IJ, and eventually AO3, Twitter, and tumblr.
AO3 was opened in 2008 in response to several incidents, of which Strikethrough was a really intense one. remember, also, that back in 2008 the stigma surrounding fandom was significantly greater and more shameful than it is today, so finding hosts willing to archive fic was difficult unless someone had the dough to pay for server space - often not an option. this was also back when fanfic.netâs HTML restrictions were so great that users couldnât use any special characters or bold or italicize anything, and it didnât allow R-rated content, so it was clearly not ideal. in addition, although cease & desist letters were much less common than they were in the early 2000s and before, DMCA takedowns were still a phantom on the horizon.
LONG STORY SHORT, even though pedophilia is reprehensible and I personally cannot stomach fanfic that involves that kind of content, AO3 was founded specially as a safe space for fandom communities that could not find homes elsewhere. it requires warnings precisely for that reason, and if you find a story that is not properly warned, you can alert the admins and get the story labeled appropriately.
IDK, maybe itâs just because I am, again, ancient, but I was in and around fandom before homosexuality was legal in all 50 states. so were most of the people who started AO3. for most of my formative life, being gay was associated with pedophilia, and so was writing about gay characters. just - itâs a lot more complicated than you might expect, and thereâs a reason many older fans who have been involved in several generations of fandom were so grateful to have AO3 as an option.
I donât read, for example, Hydra Trash Party fics. They squick me, and I generally feel they are pretty gross. But writing noncon body-horror is not the same as saying âyeah, I totally want to go out and rape and torture people for years while brainwashing them!â or even âyeah, I wouldnât do it myself, but it would be totally okay if someone did!â Nobody is hurt by it, and nobody is going to be hurt by it. So should I have the right to go, that is gross, you donât get to write or read that? No.
In the same way, writing about underage teens getting it onâsometimes with each other, sometimes with adults, sometimes consensually, sometimes notâis not the same as child pornography, nor does reading a fic about Hermione and Snape getting it on while she was his student mean someone thinks that would be a good and/or healthy thing in real life.
Fiction affects reality, but fiction is not reality. And writing about something does not mean you want to do it in real life, or believe that anyone should.
Letâs take a closer look at that âAo3 supports pedophilia!â shall we?
1) The only fics I have ever come across that had actual pedophilia (i.e. someone having sex with a child), it was clearly and explicitly abuse. It was not meant to titillate or arouse. It was meant to horrify. It was seldom explicit.
2) Thereâs a lot more incest, but it is usually portrayed either as explicitly mutually consensual (i.e. Sam/Dean) or as abusive.
3) Iâve been in fandom for a decade and a half. When people start getting upset at âomg pedophilia, think of the children!â the fics they are usually objecting to arenât actually pedophilia. Usually, it is teenagers having sex, especially queer sex. And people donât like that, and use pedophilia as an excuse to shame people for writing/reading sex they donât like.
Letâs look closer at Strikethrough, shall we? I hope that, if there were any communities of actual pedophiles on LJ, they got taken down, too. But here are some of the communities that got taken down that were not in any way supporting pedophilia and/or rape and/or incest that got taken down:
1) at least one support community for survivors of sexual abuse.
2) a literary book discussion group that was reading Lolita.
3) lots of slash fanfic communities, for things like Draco/Harry fic set in their fourth year (when both boys would have been 15).
Basically, this very conservative âfamily valuesâ group hated porn, and they hated queer stuff even more, and used âbut think of the children, itâs pedophilia!â to pressure LJ to get rid of huge swathes of things they didnât like. And one time taking down the worst of it wasnât good enough for them. No, this was step one on a moral crusade. If you acceded to their demands, all that did was whet their appetite, and soon they would be back with a new list of demands. This is why the 2007 strikethrough was not an isolated event, but rather one of a series of events, nor was LJ the only website thus targeted. It starts with anything that can get labelled âpedophiliaâ or âincestâ because thatâs low-hanging fruit. But they use that to go after anything relating to queer teen sexuality. Then anything with teen sexuality. Then once the community is already divided and diminished, they go after anything with non-con. Then whatever is next on their list. It doesnât stop until theyâve won the point and nothing but suitably âfamily-friendlyâ fics that match their purity test are allowed.
Which is why AO3 has no morality content in their terms of service. You canât break copyright beyond fair use (and AO3 has an expansive view of âfair useâ and a team of lawyers on call). You canât use AO3 for commercial advertising. And you canât post ACTUAL child pornography, i.e. the things that are legally prohibited, i.e. actual photographs or videos of actual children (not teens) in sexually explicit positionsâyou know, the stuff that actually hurts kids. Other than that? Itâs fair game. You can post anything you want, and the archive will not judge. There is no handle for the Moral Majority Family-Friendly Thought Police to latch onto, no cracks they can exploit to divide and conquer.
Weâve been down that road. It doesnât lead anywhere good.
Reblogging this for the excellent explanation of what exactly the moral crusaders did last time. They had an explicit agenda of anti-queerness, and they specifically targeted slash and femslash communities in particular, such that many ship communities became (or started as) deliberately members-only. You had to apply, and your personal blog had to look like a real person and a fan. You were vetted, a la 1990s private servers.
During this period, Dreamwidth was also targeted by attacking its payment processor. They had to get a new one. These âWarriorsâ (literally called themselves that!) were totally on board with destroying fandom as a side effect of destroying the parts of fandom they didnât like.
If youâre carrying out harassment of people right now because theyâre posting works with sexual elements you donât agree with? (And itâs always sex, never non-sexual violence, how strangeâŚ.) If youâre doing that, youâre also totally on board with destroying fandom as a side effect of destroying the parts of fandom you donât like. Because your tactics are fandom-destroying, and so is your agenda.
reblogging because this is important: strikethru and boldthru and all the various âpurgesâ that fandom went thru about 10 years ago: this had to do with OUTSIDERS deciding that fandom in general and fanfiction in specific were evil and needed to be destroyed; unless we were writing and shipping good vanilla M/F married people. These were outsiders, going after fictional writing about fictional characters.
AO3 and OTW are HUGE, because now we have an organization, with very smart women and a lot of lawyers, that have our back. Fannish history is important, people! It has not always been this way.
This is so, so important: thereâs that other post about AO3 and fanfiction floating around, about our history. People decry violent video games but no one is trying to force companies out of business. But people can and do attack fanfiction: an activity primarily written by women for women, about fictional characters. And often about sex. We have to constantly defend ourselves, protect ourselves, support each other against charges like âpaeodophiliaâ.
Throwing this in because I was also present: This was during the American Governmentâs attempts to pass censorship laws on the internet. As MOST of those domains had their serves in America, they were beholden to those censorship laws. A great deal of fanfiction.net was removed because they happened to lose a goddamn courtcase. Iâve been on the site since 2002. They may not have âofficiallyâ allowed NC-17 rated content (what it used to be listed as in the filters), it never did a damn thing to remove it. Ever. They had it listed as a rating option during âNew Storyâ uploading after all. It was i nthe search filters. After they lost the courtcase however, they legally had to start doing things about the mature content reports they got. The admins and mods were not actively looking for fic to remove, they were just responding to reports they had already received.Â
tl;dr - I know tumblr is all about black and white âyouâre either all right or all wrongâ thinking, but itâs important to understand what actually happened before going âew ao3 was made to give pedophiles a safe place to postâ because that is 110% not what happened.
This is why so, so many of the comparatively older fannish folks on tumblr like me are so vehemently against stuff like the anti movement and âall ships are valid UNLESSâ. It smacks of censorship and content policing - and weâve been there. We got our shit deleted and our accounts banned because someone else thought what we were reading or writing or talking about needed to just⌠not exist. No warning. Literally overnight. We just woke up and stuff was gone.
And yeah, the group was legit called Warriors for Innocence (or maybe of). I knew several people that were members of survivor/support groups that lost their groups - and their main support network - when Strikethrough happened (ten years ago holy shit).
You antis need to listen when us older fans tell you that the censorship youâre advocating for, when put into practice, is NOT a positive thing; itâs an extremely scary thing!
I can guarantee that you would be very, very upset if another event like LJ Strikethrough were to happen today because *you* are just as vulnerable as the rest of us! If you support the rights of marginalized groups of people, if youâre a slash or fem slash shipper, if you support gender identities that arenât defined by biological sex, if you care about representation, if you support women, if you have any kind of kink, if you care about fandom in any capacity beyond its eradication, YOU DO NOT ACTUALLY WANT THE SORT OF CENSORSHIP YOUâRE ADVOCATING!!
People were terrified during Strikethrough. Â I was there. Â Communities were being shut down, individual users were being shut down. Â People were losing access to their own fics, their feedback, their comments â a LOT went on in comments on LJ. Â Think more coherent reblogs, much more personal, very widespread. Â Comments were also very important, and in terms of networking/communicating, were absolutely critical. Â
LJ was, for many people, central. Â
It was a fundamental part of the infrastructure of fandom at the time. Â
Having it attacked, having parts of your fandomâs territory just deleted like that, was very very scary.  People didnât know who was next.  Every day, the list of stricken journals grew.  And not all of them came back, not all of them recovered their content.  Some people even voluntarily deleted their content as a form of protest.  It was a bad time.
You do not have to interact with fic that grosses you out or makes you uncomfortable.  Tagging is a thing.  And even outside of tags, you are responsible for curating your own fandom experience.  It is not right to expect it to be curated for you.  And it is not right to lash out when someone refuses to do so and expects you to walk away from things that do not concern you.
I was gonna say âthings that donât harm anyoneâ but I realize you can argue that.  If you get triggered, thatâs upsetting.  That could be considered harm.  And I have sympathy for that.  I do.
I have run across fic that triggered me. Â I have pretty specific triggers, and people donât always think to warn for them because they arenât that big a deal for a lot of people. Â Or itâs sort of bundled into kink and is presumed, that if youâre okay with certain kinds of kink, youâre okay with this. Â So Iâve been blindsided by it before. Â And it sucks for a couple of days while I get over it.
That was not the fault of the authors! You could argue that tagging should have been used, and maybe it should, but ultimately thatâs not an ironclad obligation. Â Itâs a tool people provide out of courtesy.
That was not the fault of the site! Â The site is there to give authors a way to make fiction available, not to judge each work and interrogate its validity and make sure everything is tagged so that nobody has to see anything bad, ever.
That was not even my fault! Â It was my responsibility to try to curate my experience, and I tried, but it wasnât my fault because I didnât deliberately set out to trigger myself.
When I get triggered, unless it is by a deliberate act, it is actually the fault of the people who hurt me in the first place! And I refuse to let them off the hook and blame perfectly innocent people who just wanna write their fanfiction! I may hate that fanfiction, but that is irrelevant to the question of whether or not people should be allowed to post whatever they want.
Also, some people cope by writing about fucked-up shit.  My best friend in the whole wide world has shared her fic with me, and HOO BOY it is messed up. She wrote it during a time in her life when she was in and just coming out of a horrifically abusive relationship.  I mean, it was exactly the kind of relationship all of us here on Tumblr love to hate.  She was married to a shitty, abusive man who preyed on someone younger than he was and used his influence over her to treat her in a way that would be right at home in that Lundy Bancroft book Why Does He Do That? He was a real rapist, a verified grade-A bad fuckinâ guy.  (She was lucky to escape.  I have immense respect for her.)  And she wrote some fucked up fic to deal with it, and she shared it, and people were invested in it.  And because this was early 2000â˛s, she had to host it on a foreign server and cover her tracks, because at that time no-place was safe to post it.
âYeah, but if sheâs writing it for therapy, she doesnât have to post it where other people might have to see it!â I hear you say.
But like ⌠what the hell??? âShut up, donât talk about it, itâs bad to talk about these things, because these things are bad!â is something used against folks with trauma.
âThis isnât good for me, I canât talk about this, I canât be your audience for this,â thatâs fine, those are boundaries that people with trauma use to defend themselves. Â You should learn to say those things! Â It will help you!
But expecting other people to never create and share art about trauma is just so thunderously oppressive I lack the ability to fully articulate it.
And nobody should have to disclose their history of trauma to prove their motives are pure or virtuous enough for their speech to be protected.  Iâve only really been able to openly say âI was assaulted, it was traumatic, I am a little fucked up from itâ for the past couple of years, tops.  I couldnât talk about it before that.  Couldnât!  And it was over 20 years ago!
I also believe, very firmly, that you donât need a history of abuse to find writing really messed-up shit satisfying, or to find reading it cathartic. Â I believe 100% in the freedom of creative expression, and the freedom to read whatever fucked up shit you want to read.
All yâall fandom youngsters can spit nails all you want over gross rape fic, incest fic, whatever.
Fine, I donât like it either!
But that fucked up shit? Â That fucked up shit helped carve out the spaces we have today. Â You donât have to like it, but campaigning to get it deleted, harassing content creators, calling people rapists and pedophiles who have never done and would never ever do such a thing, that is not the way to improve the world, it doesnât keep actual kids or teens or assault/rape victims safe. Â It wouldnât have made me feel safe when I was 16 and didât want what was going on. Â It doesnât make me feel safe now. Â I can say with the perspective of someone 24 years away from that event, it doesnât make the world safer for people like I was. Â It actually makes it worse.
Learn to steer clear of the messed-up stuff you donât like.  Itâs a skill, you get better with practice.  Have someone else vet stuff for you if you need help doing it now.
Everything that is sketchy and gross is not criminal, and writing about a thing is not morally the same as doing it. Â Please stop acting like writing about an adult and a teenager having really questionable, gross sex is as bad as the actual registered sex offender they caught hanging around an actual elementary school two neighborhoods over from mine, just trying to talk to the kids. Â The former is, at most, in poor taste, and potentially triggering to abuse victims. Â The second makes me want to vomit because even though he was just talking, that guy was gearing up to try something and create another abuse victim. Â A g a i n. Â
The first can be avoided because it is imaginary and you, an adult, have power over your back button so that you donât have to witness harm to imaginary people.  The second, those very real kids had to rely on real adults and real law enforcement to keep them safe from very real assault.  (It worked!  The neighborhood rallied!  He was arrested for violating parole!)
Pretty sure Sleazebag McDongface didnât read some gross NC-17 Draco/Lucius fic before deciding to harm an actual human being. Â Pretty sure not having read it didnât keep him from doing it. âCause he fuckinâ did it. Â And he would have done worse. But actual people stopped him.
I get wanting to protect victims when so many of us are victims ourselves, but man, going after fiction is not the way to do it.
An author is not a perpetrator. Â Stop trying to make those things synonymous in the minds of other fans, and in the minds of other recovering victims.
Iâm a crone who also lived through strikethrough, and all y'all young fans need to read this and understand it if you donât want history to repeat itself someday.
Hereâs the thing, also: it doesnât stop with fic about objectionable stuff.
If you have a website with TOS that includes any kind of âobjectionable contentâ rules, there will be parties who will use those rules to try to silence other people whom they want silenced.
Letâs look at the alt-right and MRA movements today, or GamerGate a few years ago. What is one of their primary weapons? They report black or feminist or really any leftist YouTube channels (or Twitter accounts, or whatever) whose message they donât like and claim those channels are are violating TOS by posting hate speech or incitations to violence or whatever bullshit they can come up with, in an attempt to silence those channels.
When Anita Sarkeesian of Feminist Frequence came under fire for starting a crowdfunding endeavor to fund the production of her Tropes vs. Women in Video Games series of videos, male gamers tried to get her KickStarter and various social media accounts shut down by reporting her for for hate speech and promoting terrorism.
Luckily, that became a big enough story that the dudes failed and their efforts backfired. But a lot of times, these tactics work.
How do I know this? Because it happened to me. Not over major shit like the examples above, but over something completely petty.
Back in the mid-to-late 90s, before LiveJournal really became the place for fandom, before FF.net was really a thing, you had to create your own personal website on whatever free webhost you could find (GeoCities was popular, but there were others) if you wanted to host your fic somewhere.
And back then, TV studios and book authors were still sending their lawyers after people who wrote fanfic, issuing cease and desist letters to not only the authors, but also to their webhosts.
At the time, I was writing perfectly het Mulder/Scully fanfic. No rape, no pedophilia, no slash. Maybe a little BDSM. But largely it was unobjectionable.
Then the 8th season of X-Files started, David Duchovny decided he only wanted to be involved part-time, and the show decided to bring in another male character. The fandom lost their shitâas fandoms doâover the idea of âreplacingâ Mulder blah blah blah.
One of the most popular fanfic mailing listsâone that had previously had no restrictions on what characters or pairings could be postedâdecided that if you wrote fanfic involving this character, you were no longer welcome. Well, this was the mailing list with all the readers. Sure, authors could go to other mailing lists, but they wouldnât have exposure to the sort of readership this other list boasted.
I spoke out, saying that this change was unfair to fic authors and that the moderator of this list was behaving in a pretty vile way. The moderator and her friends took aim at me and began a campaign of harassment, and a few days later, suddenly my website with my XF fanfic was TOSed because someone had reported it. So was the next site I tried to create to host my fic, and the one after that.
Thanks to the way AO3s TOS are constructed, that sort of shit doesnât happen now. I can speak up if I need to, and while I may receive harassment on my various social media accounts, thereâs no chance they can have my fic taken down just because they have an agenda and donât like me for reasons not relating to my fic.
So yeah, AO3â˛s rules protect fic a lot of us might find objectionable. But they also protect fic that is in no way objectionable from being targeted by unrelated harassment campaigns. And since any of us could find ourselves in the sights of those sort of campaigns at any time, we need to thank our lucky stars for that.
When I helped write the ToS for AO3, I wasnât primarily thinking about strikethrough. I was primarily thinking of FFN, where so many people post things that are technically against the ToS but that the community tolerates. Any time someone gets pissed off, they can go on a grudge-reporting spree and target their enemyâs work. Often, that means guys targeting slash or Twilight fic because itâs âfor girlsâ and thus sucks. Sometimes, itâs one ship vs. another. I was also thinking of Miss Scribe and all of that other Harry Potter fandom drama. (And if you think fans are above destroying an entire archive just to strike at one enemy, think again!)
We canât force people to like each other. We canât force people to be nice to each other. But we could take away fandom bulliesâ favorite tools.
Watching young (ostensibly liberal) bloggers and fans take up the deeply conservative rhetoric and moral crusading of the right wing and evangelical groups from the 90s has been both fascinating from an anthropological perspective, and fucking horrifying for someone who lived through this time period and the death of LJ. Â
It galls me to think that those of us who went through all this shit might have to go through it again because people who were still in primary school at the time donât see anything wrong with harassing us over
Like, I hate to pull this argument, but we are your fandom elders, we did what we did to preserve fandom for y'all, so y'all would have space to safely explore the sane things we did and still do. And in doing so we rightly realized that if we wanted to protect the comfortable, cuddly parts, we also needed to protect the dark parts.
You can hate non-con fic all you want, and I will always advocate for adequate tagging/warning (especially with franchises that are aimed at younger audiences, e.g. MLP:FIM and SU) so that you donât have to see it because I sympathize, but I will never support people who want to make sure that it isnât even there to be seen. Iâve been through that once. It didnât help anyone. It didnât fix anything.
Please, learn to curate your own online experience. You are responsible for not clicking, or clicking away. Donât try to force others to do it for you. Thatâs not cool. You arenât protecting children. You are asking fandom to treat everyone like a child. There is a massive difference.
Also⌠maybe parents should do their job in monitoring kidsâ content? When my parents found out I was looking at age inappropriate things when I was a minor, like they intervened.
Strikethrough 07 was such a well-conducted operation that communities dedicated to survivors of sexual abuse and fans of Lolita fashion were suspended, but the journal of the baby rapist, ohbutyouwillpet, stayed up. And itâs still up to this day, though it hasnât been updated it over a decade as its owner is still in prison.
Whooo, I guess itâs my turn to take a shot at this.
Iâm a nold. Iâm in my 40s. When I came out as queer, in the early 90s, it was in the middle of what were called the âfeminist sex warsâ. If you want a really good book to read about that period, which has a LOT of resonance with Strikethrought and with the current Tumblr discourse, I cannot recommend this highly enough:
Defending Pornography: Free Speech, Sex, and the Fight for Womenâs Rights by Nadine Strossen
A preview is available on Google Books, or it should be readily available secondhand, or in academic libraries (though itâs not a very heavy academic read). I recommend Booko for finding cheap secondhand copies. Support independent bookstores!
I havenât read âDefending Pornographyâ for a while â I actually last re-read it about a decade ago because of the impact that Warriors for Innocence were having on Dreamwidthâs payment providers at the time, subsequent to Strikethrough itself â but hereâs a quick summary, as I remember it.
1. In the late 80s and early 90s there was a vocal group of radical feminists who believed that pornography inherently harms women, not just in its production but also in its consumption (i.e. watching/reading pornography caused people to develop attitudes that were harmful to women). All explicit content was considered to be harmful, from eg. girlie magazines to hardcore XXX videos to a book like âThe Joy of Gay Sexâ, no matter who made it, its purpose, its intended audience, or its context. (Yup, even m/m content was considered to be degrading to women for reasons that didnât make a lot of sense tbh.)
2. These anti-pornography feminists teamed up with the religious right and managed to get anti-porn laws passed. In particular, a law was passed in Canada preventing the importation of âobsceneâ material. Canada, of course, imports a lot of material from the US. Stuff started getting seized at the border.
3. Guess what was seized first? âThe Joy of Gay Sexâ and the like. Guess what businesses started finding all their shipments seized or delayed â sexually explicit or not â to the point where they were being put out of business? Gay bookstores. Guess what wasnât seized at all? Mainstream porn made for straight men.Â
Around this time, Little Sisters bookstore in Vancouver (a gay bookstore) found that huge amounts of merchandise was being seized at the border, regardless of the actual content. They were being discriminatorily targeted on the basis of their sexuality. The queerness of the material they were importing was seen as inherently obscene.
Remember that this is before there was much information available online for LGBTQ+ people, so if you were a young person maybe just coming out and trying to understand things, or wanting to learn about safe sex (and yes it was at the height of the AIDS crisis, too) youâd go to a bookstore like this. Which now had empty shelves. I remember endless fundraising and activism in the LGBTQ+ community to try and keep Little Sisters open. In the end they spent half a million dollars on court cases. Read more about their struggles.
(You know what businesses werenât impacted and didnât have to basically ask their friends and community for help to stay open or spend a decade in the courts to defend their right to run their businesses? The powerful companies making porn by and for straight men.)
The book goes into a large number of analogous situations. Time and time again, anti-pornography laws intended to protect women are disproportionately used against women themselves, against LGBTQ+ people, and against basically any marginalised or minority group, rather than against the mainstream male-oriented porn that would seem to be its primary target.
Hereâs the key point: Strossen is a legal scholar whoâs looked at a lot of attempts at censorship, and you know what she found happened every time? When you try to censor pornography, even in the interests of protecting vulnerable people, that censorship will be applied first, and hardest, against the people who are most vulnerable. They wonât come for actual abusers, theyâll come for the abused, and prevent them from accessing resources, education, talking to each other, creating art to express themselves, or organising against those who are actually causing harm.
Read the book. The stories it tells are from the early 90s but they perfectly mirror what happened a decade ago with Strikethrough and whatâs happening now with all this Tumblr discourse.
This is old, old business, weâve seen it more than once before, and it never goes the way the antis think it will. Censorship is a tool that gives power to abusers and lets them inflict more harm on those who are abused, vulnerable and discriminated against. Donât fall for it.
History they should have known: The Comstock laws in New York were this one dude (Comstock) who managed to get a mail regulation re-written to categorize anything related to contraceptives as pornography, which was already illegal to mail.
(Which is one reason for the pornographic playing cards etc, because the 19th century was almost as big on mail-order goods as the 21st, because getting to shops in person was hard for a huge subsection of Americans.)
Comstock built a non-profit with the support of the YMCA and oh shoot, some millionaire whose brand is still going strong, to enforce this law because the postal system didnât have the personnel. They were granted the right to do so.
He and his posse of honorary mail inspectors with police powers (I kid you not) spent years engaging in endless skullduggery to prosecute people for selling contraceptives by mail. Which was how everyone got them in the 19th century, you couldnât walk into a shop for a pack of condoms but mail-order packages were nicely anonymous. They dragged Margaret Sanger into court repeatedly. There was a huge cottage industry of contraceptives in NYC at the time, most of the manufacturers being female, Jewish, immigrants, or some combination of the above.
There was one woman whose name escapes me they kept trying to prosecute for selling contraceptive devices and the juries kept nullifying it because the average New Yorker in the 1890s were like âyeah no condoms are not a crime,â but not everybody had her stage presence and resources.
You know who they never even tried to touch? The big rubber companies were were getting into mass production of condoms. Their big funder owned the company that produced Vaseline, and was claiming in ads at the time that it worked as a spermicide.
Only the poor and vulnerable felt the impact of the Honorary Postal Inspectors of righteousness.
Itâs been touched on a little before but really itâs hard to explain just how confusing and scary the crackdowns were. I was only a reader on FanFiction when the crackdown came but it felt like I was standing in a coal mine full of canaries. Canaries that were either silent or /screaming/.
Every where you looked, authors where posting warnings about how x stories were getting deleted. All of the warnings feeling rushing, panicked, most of them including notes about how they didnât know how long they had before their warnings were taken down or they were deleted. It felt a bit like all the stars going out, everything just dying around you. Like a stampede of people had fled from some oncoming unnamed horror leaving silence in their wake. Finding AO3 later on was like finding a safe haven in a world gone mad.
Also FanFiction doesnât really encourage socialisation aside from authors notes to readers on their chapters or homepage. Meanwhile all the warnings of the crackdown were really rushed and vague. So, as a not very sociable reader, I really didnât have a clue what was going on at the time of the crack down and the confusion and uncertainty was almost the scariest part of the whole thing. (Not knowing if the authors should come back and if fanfics were gone for good was scarier.) Itâs only years later, reading fanfic history posts that Iâve started to piece together what happened.
Also an interesting point was that during the crack down all I ever heard about was /gay/ stories being deleted. Perhaps this was just because I was reading gay stories but I didnât even realise it was mature stories in general that was supposedly the aim of the crack down until much later.
I very much second the rec about the feminist sex wars. Understand those, and youâll understand why those of us over about 30 are so opposed to tumblrâs purity crusade.
If you havenât been TOSsed you really donât get it, imo.
If you havenât spent your time wondering if the thing that will get your content deleted is the dark stuff or the nipples, you really donât get it, imo.
Hell, way way back in the day, I had moderator types private message me going âI really like your writing, but you need to be less obvious about it, or I will have no choice but to tos you.â
Iâm new to fandom, but Iâve seen this shit play out on SO MANY platforms.
I write kinky shit, queer shit, both shit. Iâve seen this story on Wordpress.com, on Amazon, on PatreonâŚ
Folks write a thing and they tag it. They want people who are into their thing to read it, and people who are not into their thing to be able to avoid it.
Then some moralizers come along, and stuff starts getting deleted and people start getting kicked. but the hell of it is, you never know who or what.
Except that if you are making kinky shit or queer shit you are 10x more likely to be targetted.
They go after the non-con and rape fantasies first, Oh, and bestiality, and if you speak up they tar and feather you as âsupporting rapeâ or âbeing a deviantâ (all folks complaining about sex posts on deviant art are completing missing the point of the name, IMO).
But then the queer folks and the âacceptableâ kink folks start getting banned.
Some of us. Not all of us. You live in fear because you donât know whose next, and if you can afford to, if you can manage, you start putting together your exit strategy.
But communities adapt. They adjust.
And shit stops getting tagged. It stops getting a clear description. You start getting code words like âbondafeâ or community catchphrases. It doesnât go away, not entirely. It just goes in the closet. And you can stumble in there, anytime, if you arenât careful. Because it isnât tagged, I canât find it â because it isnât tagged, you canât avoid it.
Those folks who got kicked off though? Who got their reputations or livelihoods, or community ruined?
Theyâre still gone. The damage still happened.
Kinky folks, especially kinky folks with âunacceptableâ kinks?
Weâre your fucking bellwether. Your canary in the coal mine.
When we start disappearing, when the bestiality, and ADBL, and DD/Lg, and noncon, and heavy sadomasochism start disappearing?
Theyâre coming for ânormalâ deviants next.
Tumblr is the first community in 15+ years that Iâve seen crack down on porn, with an extra focus on BDSM, and then roll it back. You think Iâm joking about âbondafeâ?
But the Tumblr community (and bless you all) pushed back against the restrictions. Said, ânot here, not nowâ.
Most places? Go the Amazon and FFN route. Itâs there, just hidden. Neither you nor the writers are protected. And lots of people get hurt.