ā> LMM talks about filming the finale, Leeās motivations and arc, the beauty of daemons, filming with fellow ātheater kidā Andrew Scott, The Amber Spyglass,Ā and what scene is gonna make him sob <ā
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What was your reaction to watching Lee perish in such dramatic fashion?
Can I tell you a secret? I havenāt watched the final episode because it hasnāt aired in the States yet. I did watch the U.K. post all the crying emojis and I did go through it in person. Often youāre shooting out of sequence, youāre shooting at the whims of weather or schedules or locations, especially on an effects heavy show like āHis Dark Materials.ā But we were able to film the Alamo Gulch sequence sequentially. We started on a Monday and I died on a Friday, so the playing of it was very organic and I think that paid off in terms of the performances. It wasnāt the last thing I filmed, but Iām really grateful that we were able to shoot it in sequence because I just think it helps in terms of where Lee and Hester get to by the end.
Where they get to is a place of ultimate sacrifice for Lyra and her cause, capped off by that heartbreaking line from the books, āDonāt (you) go before I do.ā
We always felt an extra responsibility when we are quoting the books directly, because those are lines that have been circled and dog-eared and highlighted and made into fan art by generations of fans at this point, so you really want to honor them and get them right. What I remember the most from āThe Subtle Knifeā was, āDonāt you go before I doā and āWeāre helping Lyra.ā Itās this notion that Lee continues to center himself and is able to make the ultimate sacrifice because he reminds himself of a greater cause, which is his love for Lyra and what she has to do for the world.
Itās a poetic ending which completes Leeās arc in a way?
Itās a beautiful thing. The arc of Lee is someone who is kind of a drifter, who finds a sense of purpose through his love for this kid, who he sees a bit of himself in. This is a really bright kid who has been dealt a bad hand in the parent department, and heās just going to do everything he can so that she can go forward.
How was it to shoot those final moments opposite your dƦmon?
It took me back to the genius of Philip Pullman who created this notion of dƦmons. I think itās two things. One, from a storytelling perspective, itās brilliant because no oneās ever alone. Even in his final moments, Lee has someone to talk to and thereās a dialogue to be written, and you get a sense of those people. Then the other thing thatās sort of a brilliant side effect of this innovation of Pullmanās conceit that every human has a dƦmon that is their soul, is that itās two deaths weāre mourning: weāre mourning Leeās death and Hesterās death. That was so overwhelming as I read the U.K. reactions. It was about half, āNo, Lee,ā crying emoji, and half, āNo, Hester,ā crying emoji. Weāve gotten to know and love both of them.
And then to make matters worse we see Jopari die in his sonās arms about fives minutes later having been reunited for the first time in years. Itās a triple knockout.
I was not thinking about that during the death scene because from my perspective Jopari goes forward; I was holding down the fort so that he can keep moving. But thatās going to be the part that makes me cry when I finally watch it because I havenāt been witness to that.
You shared videos of yourself and Andrew pretending to be Sam Neill from āJurassic Parkā and then a photo of the two of you napping in a caravan. You two seem to have formed quite the rapport.
We had a wonderful time working together. Weāre both theater kids and the fun thing about those sequences was we were way up in the Welsh countryside. Normally, when youāre filming in a studio, you have a base camp, you each go to your separate trailers and you have your own little space. There was no luxury of that when we were filming those final scenes, we are in a rented Winnebago belonging to a local person up there because itās just too treacherous a journey all the way back to base camp. It was this pink, very flowery Winnebago and weāre like all right, letās dry off from the mud and have a nap. I also think being that far in on location, you also kind of shut out the outside world, and you really only focus on the work and thatās been one of the great gifts of playing this role and being in Philip Pullmanās world. As my life has gotten more hectic, working on the show is like a holiday for me. I just get to go fly a hot air balloon and learn how to fire a gun and do stunts. It was just the most fun thing to get to live inside this world I loved so much.
It has been confirmed that the show has been renewed for a third and final season,Ā meaning it will have a shot at tackling the final novel on Pullmanās original trilogy, āThe Amber Spyglass.ā How significant is that?
Well, listen, itās very significant. Iām really excited that they get to finish telling the story. Iām a huge fan of these books, I remember being so bummed that when they made the movie of āGolden Compassā [and it] wasnāt going to get a sequel. The fact that they get their chance to finish telling Philip Pullmanās story is really exciting. That third book is so ambitious, I canāt wait to see what they do with it.
Itās certainly the wildest of the three, Lee and Hester even make a return of sorts in a different form. Have there been any discussions of that taking place in Season 3?
Nothing has been written in stone or finalized, but Iāve always told them this is enormous fun for me and I serve at the pleasure of Bad Wolf Productions. If they see fit for Lee and Hester to return in corporeal or non-corporeal form, Iāll answer the call. But they just got the green light, so I donāt even know how much exists and is written yet.

















