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I wonder if noah looks at byler fanart and feels weird that it's him and finn's faces. Cause I haven't watched the show since the finale and have only engaged in discussion so I forget that mike and will, the characters, are played by two real people, and then I see fanart and BAM I see noah and finn and have to adjust my brain to see mike and will again. Must be even weirder for the actors themselves
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I feel like the duffers thought that the only way for will to have a 'happy ending' was for him to be openely gay and out to the entire town. Or that the audience would only be satisfied if EVERY character we knew, knew that he was gay. Which gay people obviously know isn't the case, we would've been very satisfied if he only came out to his family and closest friend (mike).
We could easily imagine he would come out to the others later down the line, when the right time came. They could imply he eventually came out to lucas/dustin/el/max in the epilogue with an offhand remark about boyfriends or something.
It comes across as such a cishet way of thinking, the idea that we'd only be happy if every person slightly in our lives validates us at the same time, even the local grocery store cashier. It's not like you come out ONCE and then everyone knows you're gay, it's something you keep doing as you meet more people and get more comfotable sharing that part of yourself with people you already know. They obviously just wanted to get it over with in one go.
What I want to see in the finale
Mike has emotions
The link to electricity and UD is explained or at least important
Byler have a one-on-one scene (the bar is low)
Churchgate
Birthdaygate
Milkshakegate (Will is a spy)
Radio tower gives Will electricity powers (innate powers!! Not likely but I want this)
Mileven are not in a romantic relationship by the end. Even if El dies, they should be broken up beforehand
Carlton is anything except epilogue boyfriend
☆Give me most of these and I will be happy☆
So what if I believe in cutgate. I just want to believe there are evil homophobic netflix overlords that forced the creators to cut out byler last minute. It makes some things make sense and it makes me feel better.
If mileven breakup in the finale but byler isn't together that's what I'll believe for my own sake. If byler are implied or explicitly together I may still believe it. If mileven stay together until the end I'll accept that the duffers are bad writers and terrible queerbaiters and continue to ship byler
Coming into season 5, the creators knew for sure that bylers would be hyperanalysing every mike, will and el scene. They knew someone would see the elbow bump and link it to robin's words. They knew we'd notice the wording of 'snowball' turning into an avalanche. They knew we'd be analysing the colours and framing and music and symbolism. Everything is intentional, don't forget that.
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I never thought much of the byler heroes kiss theory, didn't think it was likely to happen until recently. Now that I'm confident in byler endgame, and I'm seeing the wsqk hints and the military with guns in s5, I'm getting so excited for david bowie heroes guys.
Though I actually would prefer a byler kiss to no music, so I think it would be cool if the song was used as foreshadowing for whats happening around the kiss too
for the record i do empathize with byler doubt but i have very little patience for it. i cannot stress enough how different this situation is from klance/destiel/johnlock/every other queerbait example people like to compare byler to.
i get the doubt. i get that folks have been queerbaited before. and i get that right now especially, it feels hard to believe a major franchise would break up a main couple to make a lead queer. and there are a sea of people who feel very comfortable calling us delusional all the time which doesn't help.
but like. will is not only canonically gay, he is canonically in love with mike. the show has built up will's love for mike for so many seasons that rejection makes no narrative sense. and the show has intentionally kept mike's internal arc hidden from the audience for several seasons, which is the only thing preventing byler from being shut down, if mike were going to reject will. we're talking about a show that has had the canonically queer main character be empowered by his own queerness and his love for his best friend to save the day. a show about underdogs and outcasts. they have dealt with will's queerness and his character so gently and kindly that i truly cannot comprehend them not giving that same kindness and love to mike's internalized homophobia and to byler as a canon relationship.
it's like... at what point are we going to trust our instincts and the evidence and the contents of the show? i'm not even saying to trust the duffers and ST writers as storytellers, but to trust ourselves and our own understanding of story. we have analyzed this shit to death. and not just tearing apart little details that could feasibly not mean anything, but from a big picture narrative perspective of the kind of story they have been trying to tell for 5 seasons and almost 10 years. the themes of the story, the trajectory of the character arcs that have been set up, the relationships they've developed. it all points to byler, indisputably, and to me, without any doubts.
so while i feel for those who have doubts and fears and anxiety about it because of the prevalence of homophobia and heteronormativity, i really don't have much patience or much else to say or add beyond the many many points of analysis that i and so many other fans have provided to show that byler is happening.
Getting through work thinking about byler, after staying up all night reading about byler. Yes you could say I'm obsessed
Okay my jaw DROPPED
Okay my jaw DROPPED
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I choose to believe that the writers didn't make mike and will share a room because realistically sharing a room for over a year would cause so much tension between them that the snowball would become an avalanche a little too quickly for the plot
(Rant incoming) Really disappointed rn cause I just found out my favourite ST podcast made fun of bylers :') I wasn't even expecting them to bring up byler directly but they did and it was only to basically say 'bylers are delusional' in a few more words. They didnt even consider that mike and el could break up regardless of byler (I'm 95% with the theory that they already have broken up)
I knew they wouldn't believe in byler ofc since they're straight men (I gather from how they talked about Will's arc) but since they liked will's sexuality arc I hoped they wouldn't be SO dismissive of byler. Especially cause there's guy I follow who makes ST theories that said he wasn't into byler but he's open to it/fine with the theory.
I'm pretty confident byler will happen in some capacity, even if just an ambiguous epilogue so I can only hope they'll be fine with it if its done well. It just seems like theres this sharp divide between those who ship byler and those who don't and almost no non-bylers are open to byler happening.
I can only hope that when mileven break up and byler is hinted at/canon it's done so that they can at least respect it. And tbh I kinda just want to see them be wrong after they were so confident that there is no chance of byler...
Not ready for pre-ST5 byler theories to end. I know we can still theorise before vol 3, and analyse post S5, but I'm really gonna miss all the theories and predictions once byler is canon
