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A rough guideline for Gotham City's Post-Crisis chronology: Part 1.
A cheatsheet of in which order each Gotham vigilante debuted and a broad overview of some major crossover arcs that affected everyone in Gotham between the aftermath of Crisis on Infinite Earths (1986), and Batman: Legacy (1996).
After DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths #1–12, their previous canon continuity (Earth 1, were their Silver and Bronze Age era comics took place) was abandoned and they tried to start fresh, starting by retelling character origins in an attempt to draw in new readers. All of DC’s titles were not immediately rebooted, it happened between 1986 and 1989. The first Post-Crisis issue of Batman was #401, and the first Post-Crisis issue of Detective Comics was #568. For a more in-depth explanation of what "Post-Crisis" means, see: A quick(ish) primer on DC comics eras for new readers.
Keep in mind that "Year One" is a frequently used naming convention for character origin stories in the DC Universe, not a reference to any specific date.
Also keep in mind that this isn't some sort of ultimate definitive "true" guide, I might be wrong sometimes, timelines are famously wonky, and I'm only including the broad strokes without focusing too much on any given character. I don’t purchase comics. I'm not necessarily telling you to pirate or purchase or borrow, just do whatever you feel like.
Comics are identified in this guide using the following conventions:
Series Title (Year issue number 1 of this title was published) # Issue Number. "Issue Title" for specificity if there is more than one story in the issue or "Arc Title" if needed.
Collected issues, trade paperbacks and omnibuses will just be identified with: Title (ISBN).
Single issues will just be identified with: Title (Year Published).
Optional pre-Batman stories:
Detective Comics (1937) #806-807. "Alfred: Regnum Defende." Alfred’s backstory.
Batman: Gordon of Gotham (1998 Miniseries) #1-4. Prequel to Batman: Year One about Jim Gordon before he was transferred to Gotham City's Police Department.
Batman’s Post-Crisis origin story.
Pick one or read them all and choose a favorite, they don't contradict each other.
Batman (1940) #404-407 (1987). "Batman: Year One." Shows Batman’s early days as a vigilante, his first meeting Jim Gordon, etc. (This story is also responsible for some mild retconing: The Gordons are shown to be childless, leading to Barbara having to be retconned as Jim's niece who he adopted after her parents passing, instead of the Gordons' biological daughter).
Secret Origins of the World's Greatest Super-Heroes (1990) (ISBN 0-930289-50-1) "The Man Who Falls," recaps Bruce's backstory up to the first time he donned the Batman suit. Also includes reprints of the Post-Crisis Origins for Superman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Flash (Barry Allen), Martian Manhunter, and the start of the Justice League of America (the original founding members' lineup in this new continuity is made up of Aquaman, Black Canary, the Flash, Green Lantern and, Martian Manhunter, but without Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman because DC was being weird about Wonder Woman at the time. Later on, Justice League of America (2006) #0, would restore Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman as founding members alongside Aquaman, Black Canary, the Flash, Green Lantern and, Martian Manhunter). Note that "The Man Who Falls" is also collected in Batman: Secrets of the Batcave (ISBN: 978-1-4012-1370-1).
Batman Secret Files and Origins (1997). "Gazing Back: The Secret Origin of the Batman" in which he reflects upon his backstory while saving a family of tourists from a mugging, from his parents murders to first donning the suit and building the Batcave. Includes in-universe written features (magazine interviews with Bruce Wayne, Lucius Fox, and Alfred Pennyworth, an article about Gotham's founding families, and a psychiatrist's profiling of Batman), a short explaining how Batman gets his equipment (Lucius Fox notices equipment has been going missing from the company for years and Bruce gently dismisses his concern), a charming short of Tim and Alfred running all over the Batcave to catch a fox that stole Tim’s sandwich, a Batman timeline up to that year, and lots of character profile pages.
A new kind of criminal appears
Costumed criminals start appearing in Gotham, on top off all the corruption and organized crime. Origin stories for some of Batman’s best known villains happen around this time.
Batman: Birth of the Demon (ISBN: 978-1-4012-3381-5), which collects Batman: Son of the Demon (1987), Batman: Bride of the Demon (1990), and Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992).
Catwoman (1989) #1-4. "Catwoman: Her Sister's Keeper." and/or Catwoman (1993) Annual #2. "Catwoman: Year One."
Batman and the Monster Men (2006) #1-6.
Batman and the Mad Monk (2006–2007) #1-6.
The Man Who Laughs (2005).
Batman: Night Cries (1992) should probably go about here, as it has no mention of Barbara or Dick.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) Annual #3. "Year One: Poison Ivy."
Detective Comics (1937) Annual #8. "Riddler: Questions Multiply the Mystery."
Batman (1940) Annual #19. "Scarecrow: Masters of Fear."
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989) #89-90. Origin of Matt Hagen as Clayface, said to occur during the third week of Batman’s mission.
Batman: The Long Halloween (1996) #1-13.
Batman and Superman meet for the first time.
The Man of Steel (1986) #3.
Superman/Batman Secret Files & Origins (2003).
Superman/Batman (2003) Annual #1.
Leslie Thompkins learns Batman’s secret identity.
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1989) #21-23.
Dick Grayson becomes Robin.
Optional: Batman: Dark Victory (1999) #0-13. It’s a sequel to The Long Halloween that includes Robin’s origin.
Dick Grayson joins the Teen Titans, and becomes the leader of the team.
Secret Origins (1986) Annual #3.
Barbara Gordon becomes Batgirl.
Batgirl: Year One (2003).
Batgirl meets Catwoman.
Birds of Prey: Batgirl/Catwoman (2003).
Batman Confidential (2007) #17-#21. Collected in Batman: The Cat and the Bat (ISBN: 978-1-4012-2496-7).
Helena Bertinelli becomes Huntress.
Huntress: Year One (2008).
Dick Grayson becomes Nightwing.
Nightwing (1996) #101–106. "Nightwing: Year One."
Jason Todd becomes Robin.
Batman (1940) #402-416 (or just Batman #416 for a recap if you're in a hurry).
Batman: The Cult (1988 Miniseries) #1-4. (This one isn't super relevant to the chronology, but I really like it, and it’s referenced offhand in A Death in the Family.)
Barbara Gordon becomes Oracle after being shot in the spine by the Joker.
Batman: The Killing Joke (1988).
Showcase '94 #12. "Oracle: A Little Knowledge."
Batman Chronicles (1995) #5. "Oracle: Year One — Born of Hope."
Joker kills Jason Todd.
Batman (1940) #425-429. "A Death in the Family."
Batman grieves Jason's death.
Batman (1940) #436–439.
Batman meets Tim Drake and Tim meets Nightwing in "A Lonely Place of Dying."
Batman (1940) #440.
New Titans (1984) #60.
Batman (1940) #441.
New Titans (1984) #61.
Batman (1940) #442.
First appearance of Harold Allnut.
Batman (1940) #448-449 and Detective Comics (1937) #615. "The Penguin Affair."
Joker revealed to be alive.
After "A Lonely Place of Dying" revealed he had been hospitalized intead of killed at the end of "A Death in the Family," the Joker finally makes his big return, and Gordon and Batman have their first confrontation with him since the horrific acts he committed against Barbara and Jason.
Detective Comics (1937) #616-617.
Batman (1940) #450-451.
Tim Drake’s first successful solo case (tracking down a cybercriminal). Meanwhile, Batman travels to Haiti to rescue Tim’s parents, who had been kidnapped. (cw: racism, btw.) The Drakes drank poison believing it was water. Janet Drake died and Jack Drake barely survived.
Detective Comics (1937) #618-621. “Rite of Passage”
Tim Drake officially becomes Robin.
Batman (1940) #455-457.
Robin (1991 Miniseries) #1-5. (Tim’s training overseas.)
Batman decides that Harold Allnut would be safer living in the Batcave. Sarah Essen (who was last seen during "Batman: Year One" where it was said she moved to New York) returns to Gotham and reunites with the now-divorced Jim Gordon.
Batman (1940) #458-459.
Detective Comics (1937) #626.
Sarah Essen, Vicki Vale, and Catwoman meet.
Batman (1940) #460–461. "Sisters in Arms."
Batman meets Ragman (Rory Regan), a Vietnam veteran of Jewish heritage who wears the mystical Suit of Souls which grants him powers.
Ragman (1991) #1-8.
Tim returns and does his first patrol of Gotham.
Batman (1940) #465. “Debut.”
First appearance of Renee Montoya.
Batman (1940) #475.
Detective Comics (1937) #642.
Batman (1940) #476.
Stephanie Brown becomes Spoiler to thwart her father, the Cluemaster.
Detective Comics (1937) #647–649.
Jean-Paul Valley becomes Azrael, avenging angel of the Order of St. Dumas, after his father, the previous Azrael, is killed. Azrael and Batman’s first meeting.
Batman: Sword of Azrael #1-4 (1992 Miniseries).
Prelude to Knightfall/Knightfall:
The saga of Bane going to Gotham, freeing all the villains from Arkham to wear Batman down for several days, discovering his secret identity, and breaking his back.
Vengeance of Bane #1.
Batman (1940) #484-486.
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1986) Annual #2. (Jim Gordon and Sarah Essen get married).
Batman (1940) #487.
Detective Comics (1937) #654-656.
Batman (1940) #488.
Detective Comics (1937) #657–658.
Batman (1940) #489-492.
Detective Comics (1937) #659.
Batman (1940) #493.
Detective Comics (1937) #660.
Batman (1940) #494.
Detective Comics (1937) #661.
Batman (1940) #495.
Detective Comics (1937) #662.
Batman (1940) #496.
Detective Comics (1937) #663.
Batman (1940) #497.
Batman Villains Secret Files and Origins (1998). "How Bane Infiltrated Wayne Manor."
Detective Comics (1937) #664.
Showcase ’93 #7-8 "2 Face (Part 1 of 2): Double Cross" and "2 Face, Part Two: Bad Judgment."
Batman (1940) #498.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #16-18.
Detective Comics (1937) #665.
Batman (1940) #499.
Detective Comics (1937) #666.
Batman (1940) #500.
Knightquest: The Crusade:
The story of Jean-Paul Valley as he became increasingly violent and mentally unbalanced after he replaced Bruce Wayne as Batman in Gotham.
Detective Comics (1937) #667–668.
Robin (1993) #1.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #19-20.
Batman (1940) #501-502.
Detective Comics (1937) #669-670.
Catwoman (1993) #6.
Batman (1940) #503-504.
Catwoman (1993) #7.
Detective Comics (1937) #671-673.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #24.
Batman (1940) #505.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #25.
Batman (1940) #506-507.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #26-27.
Detective Comics (1937) #674.
Batman (1940) #508.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #28.
Detective Comics (1937) #675.
Knightquest: The Search
Follows Bruce Wayne and Alfred's search for Jack Drake and Dr. Shondra Kinsolving, a physiotherapist with whom Bruce Wayne had fallen in love in the midst of his rehabilitation sessions. Kinsolving's brother-by-adoption Benedict Asp kidnapped her to use her special powers to kill people at a distance. Alfred quits his job, refusing to watch Bruce push himself despite his spine injury. When Bruce finds Shondra, he gets caught in the middle of a telekinetic tug-of-war between Asp and her. The battle climaxes with her refocusing her energy to defeat Asp, with a side effect being that Bruce's broken spine becomes healed. However, the drugs forced onto her by Asp, and the strain of the fight, reduce her mind to that of a child, and Bruce buys her a house and hires a nurse to assist her.
Justice League Task Force (1993) #5-6.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #21-23.
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1986) #59-61.
KnightsEnd:
Returning to Gotham, Bruce meets Robin, who tells him Jean-Paul caused the death of the villain Abbatoir. Bruce sneaks into the Batcave and demands that Jean-Paul step down. Jean-Paul refuses and threatens to kill Bruce if he ever returns. In response, Bruce asks the deadly assassin Lady Shiva to retrain him. During a fight in the Batcave, Bruce escapes into a passage that is too narrow for Jean-Paul to go through in his armor, forcing him to remove most of it. Bruce then opens a hatch to the outside, which covered the very hole that he fell into as a child, allowing sunlight to stab at the night lenses in Jean-Paul's helmet. After being momentarily blinded, Jean-Paul sees Bruce staring down at him in the original Batman costume and concedes defeat, saying "You are Batman... and I am nothing." Bruce comforts Jean-Paul, who leaves Gotham to travel the world and find his purpose as Bruce had done. Bruce decides not to take Jean-Paul to the police because it was his decision to make Jean-Paul the Batman.
Batman (1940) #509.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #29.
Detective Comics (1937) #676.
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1986) #62.
Robin (1993) #8.
Catwoman (1993) #12.
Batman (1940) #510.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #30.
Detective Comics (1937) #677.
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1986) #63.
Robin (1993) #9.
Showcase ’94 #10. "Azrael: Aftermath."
Zero Hour: Crisis in Time
A 1994 DC-wide crossover event intended to deal with numerous possible futures and alternate timelines in the same way the earlier Crisis on Infinite Earths had dealt with alternate earths. The main storyline featured the destruction of the timestream by the efforts of Parallax (Hal Jordan), attempting to restructure the universe and correct things that he perceived to be wrong. Another supervillain, Extant, took advantage of the chaos and tried to use it to recreate the world in his own image. The leader of the fight against Parallax and Extant was Waverider of the Linear Men. The conflict resulted in an entirely new Big Bang, which served as an opportunity for DC to clear up continuity problems caused by the Crisis on Infinite Earths reboot, and fix plot elements and pieces of history that no longer worked well.
Batman (1940) #511. "The Night Before Zero."
Detective Comics (1937) #678. "Yesterdays Gone."
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #31 "The Battling Butler!"
Robin (1993) #10. "Two Birds One Stone."
Catwoman (1993) #14. "Broken Mirrors."
If you want to see how the event affected DC at large, then check out the comics listed in Zero Hour: Crisis in Time 25th Anniversary Omnibus (ISBN: 978-1401294366). Following Zero Hour, Nightwing stepped down as leader of the Titans, and the role was given to Arsenal.
In October of 1994, all of the existing mainstream DC Comics titles released a special "0" issue to coincide with the Zero Hour crossover event. The purpose of the "0" issue was to reveal a previously unknown aspect of the title character's background. So these could technically go in the early chronology, but I chose to list them here for context.
Batman (1940) #0.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #0.
Detective Comics (1937) #0.
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight (1986) #0.
Catwoman (1993) #0.
Robin (1993) #0.
Prodigal
Dick Grayson temporarily replaces Bruce Wayne as Batman, directly following the Knightfall crossover and tie-ins to the Zero Hour event.
Batman (1940) #512.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #32.
Detective Comics (1937) #679.Robin (1993) #11.
Batman (1940) #513.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #33.
Detective Comics (1937) #680.Robin (1993) #12.
Batman (1940) #514.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #34.
Detective Comics (1937) #681.
Robin (1993) #13.
Troika
Bruce Wayne finally returning for good to be Gotham's Batman. Now he wears a sturdier, darker Batsuit (similar to the costume of the Tim Burton Batman movies), and drives a new, state-of-the-art Batmobile. The arc also shows how Batman makes changes to his life as Bruce Wayne, his relationships with his "family", plans to live without Alfred, and coping with the decision of having made Jean-Paul Valley his replacement.
Batman (1940) #515.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #35.
Detective Comics (1937) #682.
Robin (1993) #14.
Alfred returns to his job at Wayne Manor at Dick’s request.
Nightwing: Alfred's Return (1995).
Nightwing (1995) #1-4.
Contagion (ISBN 978-1-56389-293-6):
A lethal virus has been released on the unknowing inhabitants of Gotham City, causing excruciating pain and ultimate death within 48 hours. Batman races to contain the chaos and find a cure, with help from Robin, Nightwing, Azrael, Huntress, Catwoman and Poison Ivy.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #48.
Detective Comics (1937) #695.
Robin (1993) #27.
Catwoman (1993) #31.
Azrael (1995) #15.
Batman (1940) #529.
Batman: Shadow of the Bat (1992) #49.
Detective Comics (1937) #696.
Batman Chronicles (1995) #4. "Huntress: Exposure" and "Beggar's Banquet."
Catwoman (1993) #32.
Azrael (1995) #16.
Robin (1993) #28.
Oracle and Black Canary form the Birds of Prey.
Birds of Prey (2002) (ISBN: 978-1563894848).
Legacy (ISBN: 978-1563893377):
A new strand of the Apocalypse Virus emerges, this time controlled by Ra's al Ghul with Bane's help.
I'm gonna be making some comics reading guides for the female characters of Gotham City (Babs, Steph, Cass, Helena Bertinelli, Leslie Thompkins, Sarah Essen, Renée Montoya, each of Bruce’s LIs, etc. etc.) but decided to start with a more general Post-Crisis chronology of Batman-related titles. For what? For why? Well, why not. It's helpful mapping out the order of when a character debuted relative to the rest and what was going on at the time events-wise. I will drag whoever follows me into the depths of caring about DC women hell. So. I think I'll have to break it up into parts, actually. Expect part 1 some time today.
I have a theory that certain niches of zoosadist content are political, and the viewers are using the animal as a replacement for who they actually want to hurt. It's just easier and less risky for them to access content where animals are used. This is based on an exposé a while back that involved a lot of Trump supporters paying for animal torture content, I will let you know if I find/remember the article covering it
It's not just the flags in the background of this particular video distributor that made me suspect such motives, but if you read the article, the way viewers are talking about and engaging with the content. It's hateful.
@innerchildabortionclinic is right about monkeys being a stand in - i believe this podcast covers the way the monkey torture was a stand in for child abuse for some of the consumers, with the same people being busted with monkey torture and CSAM on their harddrives.
“What was so appealing was to see something else suffer, essentially, that looked human,” he said. “Because I was suffering.” <- quote from the article linked above, but the video really digs into the other angles if I recall correctly
I love the game Mouthwashing so dearly and I firmly believe it should not be engaged with like a fandom because of the behavior I’ve seen towards Anya. Given the themes of the game, the way people treat her is so absolutely fucking disgusting. I’ve seen her submitted to ‘this character pregnant’ and ‘would they get an abortion’ gimmick blogs, the tag is flooded with yaoi of her rapist and his enabler, and the sexy cosplays of Anya on TikTok were…dire. Free my girl, holy fuck
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also like. video games and movies/fandom (often based on books by or directed by women)
meanwhile men in women’s spaces is like. our changing rooms. reminds me of that dianic wiccan quote about how the men only want to be included in women’s events when the women are naked
can i be honest for a sec. if you see one of those things where they draw male comic book characters in female characters’ poses or use female video game characters’ animations with male models or whatever and your response is “haha yay i love it when men are sluts” you should strongly consider shutting up forever.
seeing a certain post go around again. i don’t know how to tell you guys this but the reason it’s funny to watch ganon run around like zelda is because the edit exposes the inherent lack of dignity in that kind of hyperfemininity. the humor comes from the juxtaposition between a “strong” and “serious” character and the visual signifiers of womanhood. they were crucifying anita sarkeesian in the mainstream for this surface level feminist analysis over a decade ago.
Cassandra Cain (DC Comics) vs. Abbie Mills (Sleepy Hollow)
Cassandra Cain
Abbie Mills
Remaining time: 6 days 6 hours
Propaganda below the cut:
Cassandra Cain:
She is consistently sidelined and ignored. If she's included in fanworks very few people bother to learn anything about her character beyond surface level fanon information. She's not mute! She doesn't know sign language! She is instead a complex character with a complicated relationship with language, a crazy backstory, and unique characteristics beyond 'wise background character'.
She is SO COOL. She was born to be a weapon but refuses to let anyone get hurt. She was raised not to talk but has learnt to spread a message of hope anyway. She has the strongest no-kill rule of all of the batkids, as well as absolutely insane combat skills (she can predict what people do before they do it) and is arguably the most suitable successor to the mantle of Batman. She's a symbol of hope and of overcoming your family and finding a new one. Cassandra Cain I Love You.
Batfandom heavily focuses on the so-called “core four batboys”—Cass is often ignored or outright erased in fanworks as a Gotham hero and one of Batman’s adoptive children. Many will describe her as being “in Hong Kong” to explain her absence in fic (in reference to a brief period in which she, a mixed Asian woman with a speech focused disability who very much only spoke English, was moved to Hong Kong to get her out of main Batman books in a stunning display of racism and misogyny on the company’s part), characterize her as being stoic and robotic (see: disabled Asian woman), or exclusively write her as being there to be her brothers’ braincell and cheerleader. Awful!
Cass is a teenage girl who gets to beat up Batman. What’s not to love?
they literally made her a villain for no reason. and then they infantilized and exoticized her
cassandra i am so sorry you’re boiled down to “mute/selectively mute young girl who’s either gfs or bffs or sisters with steph (and they never fight there’s no tension there’s no complications in that relationship!! of course!!) and loves her family (aka only the waynes of course) so so much and will do anything to support them haha she’s such a good listener slash therapist!! and she calls her siblings things like “little/big brother” and all her relationships are totally fluffy without any conflict and she’s perfect (but we totallyyy care about her personal life don’t worry). and she loves ballet and she’s daddy’s little princess” <- speaking of can you say GAG. oh or maybe she’s in hong kong where she magically knows Chinese or everyone there magically knows asl. : ). like end ittt i am so so tired of seeing cass brushed aside because she’s such a fascinating interesting character with complex relationships yes and it genuinely makes my blood boil to see this shit ^ and the racism & misogyny surrounding her just. is accepted in fandom. okay.
so back in 2010 DC did a big full company reboot of their universe that basically reset their entire comic universe. (they also used this massive ending of a bunch of titles and starting of new ones to reduce the number of women writing for them to 1% of their writers. comics companies often suck in this way). while a bunch of characters more or less just got a fresh new start, some were completely absent from this new universe at the beginning, like steph and cass. but steph and cass were a special case because they were being blacklisted by dc editorial, with dan didio labelling them as "toxic to the brand" and refusing to allow writers to use them, forcing writers to invent new characters with similar qualities just because they couldnt have the ones they wanted. this even extended to being wiped from art in certain issues. there was a cute comic being put out called Lil Gotham that wanted to have a blonde girl wear steph's batgirl 2009 costume as a halloween costume, but were forced to change the costume and hair color so that steph was not even alluded to. it took 6 years for them to finally reintroduce steph, and even longer to reintroduce cass. so yeah dc writers were awful to steph and cass on the misogyny front, this did bleed over into the fans as well.
Abbie Mills:
Some fans hated her for threatening the Ichabod/Katrina ship and for being a black woman main character of a genre show.
Abbie Mills was a hero with a great backstory and really fun banter with Ichabod. I have to stop there because if I get into the fuckery that occurred on the show itself my blood pressure will rise.
Black police lieutenant who hesitantly throws in her lot with Ichabod Crane, even to the point of leaving him sticky notes around her house explaining how modern things like indoor plumbing, coffee machines and co.puters work. Gradually they become very close, to the point that when reunited after separation they run to each other and she jumps into his arms. At one point he holds her close, whispering into her hair to remember their bond and that he'd be back for her. Naturally, the primary white fandom basically ignored her in favor of Crane's dead (white) wife Katrina. Around the time it was airing I was cursed with seeing 'racebent' (aka they made her white )art of Abbie because apparently the artist 'couldn't relate to her' as a Black woman. Oh and the series itself did her dirty by killing her off at the end of the first season and carrying on without her for the second. Justice for Leftenant Mills (Leftenant is what Crane calls her, he's British you see.)
The whip-smart second lead who got so shafted by the writing team by season 3 that she was barely appearing anymore (and nearly all the cast were complaining about it, not just her actress) by the time they killed her off for cheap shock value (and some would say killed the show with her, considering the massive ratings nosedive).
On the note of attractiveness, I love being fat and ugly. I love men's shocked faces when an ugly overweight bitch rejects them. I love when guys flash their money and success like I give a fuck about anything but sitting my fat ass in my garden and watching birds go by. I love how they start foaming at the mouth when I laugh in their faces. A guy once asked me what I could offer a man who "fucks a different woman every night and drives fast cars every weekend", and I swear he had a psychotic break when I laughed and told him no woman wants a used man.
It's just a total power move to move through the world fat, unshaven, crooked and big nosed face untouched by makeup, and watch the shock and horror on men's faces when you still don't want them.
They really think an ugly woman will be desperate. They think I should be flattered and thankful that they graciously lowered themselves to a homely girl's level and bestowed their attention upon me. Their utter shock when you could give a fuck less is endlessly entertaining.
I'm sweaty, I'm large, I'm hairy, I'm loud and funny and hungry, and they haaaate that all their money and looks and cars and baby mamas or whatever they think will impress women still doesn't sway me.
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it's really is like there's a torture machine for women and everybody knows about it and it's called the Women's Torture Machine and everyone's like "yesssss let's put women in the torture machine" so they teach little girls to embrace the torture machine and they force every woman they can inside & every so often there's someone who isn't a woman but shares enough characteristics w society's constructed definition of womanhood that they're are like "close enough into the torture machine you go" & anytime a woman goes "it's unforgivably evil that women have to live w the threat of the torture machine" people on tumblr dot com go "ummmm actually it's not just women that get put in the torture machine are you a terf"
& ALSO if you say "women the torture machine is not inevitable we can escape the torture machine don't let them put you in the torture machine" someone will go "yessss if you don't like the Women's Torture Machine it might be that you don't actually belong there bc you're not a woman!! free yourself and only yourself from the torture machine!!" and if u tell them that's not remotely what you said you are once again yuppp you guessed it. a terf
If someone says "I would like to hit you, but not if you aren't comfortable with it, and not if it won't make you feel good. I will take care of you afterwards to make sure that you're comfortable and minimize any unwanted pain after we have finished our scene," that is not the same as just "I enjoy beating up random women."
Many things involved in kink, if not for the aspect of asking for and maintaining consent, would be rape, or abuse, but because consent is asked for and maintained, it is not.
The entire point of kink is that both participants are willing and wanting. Someone who enjoys being hit, if they are actually just a kinkster and not a rapist, will not engage in their kink with an unwilling partner. If they do, then yes, that's abuse, but the kink itself is not inherently abusive.
This is also why aftercare is so incredibly important, especially when involving physical play elements like impact play. Someone who just wants to hit someone would not stay afterwards to make them comfortable, take care of them, and nurse any injuries they may have sustained. But again, within kink, that takes place, and is yet another distinction.
I'm not expecting the person I'm reblogging this from to see this or give a shit if they do, but hopefully someone who's a little uncertain about kink will see this and feel a little better about what they're into.
please just shut the fuck up for once in your life. wanting to get the shit beaten out of you as a sex thing is not healthy or normal in the slightest and people with that low of self esteem need extreme therapy. people who want to beat the shit out of others as a sex thing need a bullet in the back of the head. any questions?
So @comprehensive-sex-ed since you’re very FUCKING slow, let me put it into simple terms your porn soaked pea brain will understand:
Women stay with men who beat them under all kinds of different complex pressures every single day. Sufficiently abused women will even refuse to press charges or testify in court.
These pressures don’t magically go away when the scrote gets hard when he beats her and demands a “yes”.
it’s not fucking hard if you care one iota about women.
the year is 2035. the new beauty standard is for women to cut their ears off, as ears are a masculine trait which make the face look too big and hearing isnt necessary as it doesnt align with being demure. evil feminists say perhaps this is unnecessary and ears are natural. women are agressively proclaiming they are cutting their ears off due to sensory issues
Nor is she a seductress in any kind of negative or manipulative sense - she has a mutual relationship with a powerful man who then breaks up with her, and afterwards she keeps protection against him in the form of evidence that the relationship existed. She HAS blackmail material, she even waves it at him threateningly because he treated her like shit, but she never even uses it.
Irene Adler is not a thief, femme fatale, or blackmailer. She's just a cool lady that wants to be left alone.
@delphi-star You do recall correctly!! She does not give a shit about that man! She's happily married! She tipped him for being a witness at her wedding!
If your Sherlock Holmes adaptation has a character whose identifying qualities are that she is a seductive criminal in love with Holmes, you have created a character that is basically the literal opposite of Irene Adler and you should name her something else.
She's also -- and I cannot stress this enough -- from New Jersey. IMO this is the single most important detail missing from all the adaptations -- IRENE ADLER IS FROM NEW JERSEY.
Please just once in my life I would like to see this adapted faithfully it would be the funniest fucking thing ever.
Yall gotta get into the podcast Sherlock & Co., they handled A Scandal In Bohemia fucking beautifully
she’s not remotely interested in Sherlock, she’s not manipulative, she’s from New Jersey (no thick Jersey accent though) SHE EVEN GETS TO STAY AN OPERA SINGER!!! THEY ALWAYS CHANGE HER IN MODERN ADAPTIONS BUT SHE GETS TO DO OPERA!!!!
Please listen to Sherlock & Co. it’s such a good podcast and is arguably one of the best modern adaptations of the original stories ever made
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A woman said it before me, but I do believe women are better at seperating fiction from reality than men are, and can actually. I ain't know why, but it literally continously proves itself to be true. I see it all the damn time, even with myself. Maybe it's cause men's fantasies are already encouraged and endorsed by reality (even the ones man perceives as defiant rely on patriarchal societies principles), while women's are starkly different and we are constantly reminded of that? We know we have actual fantasies, while men just fantasize about adjacent realities?
I’ve thought about that a bunch - I read the original post and it was specifically referring to violent self-written fiction - and I’ve come to the conclusion that the real distinction is that men are the ones committing the violence and abuse and women are the ones taking it. Every woman who says “men can strangle women if they want, you kink shamer!” is brainwashed; it’s just that she’s been brainwashed into taking violence and telling other women to take it, whereas men have been told “if you want to strangle a woman, great news! You live in a society that is eroticising that.”
Let me settle the 'is it fetishism and is it bad?' debate once and for all:
Being attracted to any kind of body is normal. Fat bodies. Trans bodies. Disabled bodies. All normal. Being extra attracted to a specific kind of body is normal too. Totally normal to have a type.
Not unlearning the societal stigma attached to those kinds of bodies, the people who inhabit those bodies, and the people who fuck them, to the point where you do any of the following:
Only want to date/fuck the person in secret.
Reduce the person to the feature that you desire and ignore the rest of who they are as a person.
Expect the person to be a walking porn fantasy instead of a real person with their own sexual preferences and boundaries.
Would no longer love the person if the stigmatized aspect of their body changed.
Consider yourself superior to the person, think the person should be 'grateful' that you love their body, etc.
See the person as a temporary adventure while planning to eventually settle down with someone whose body isn't stigmatized.
Is bad and harmful and you shouldn't be dating anyone until you've worked on your shit, because this makes you a very terrible partner.
This doesn't mean you are a bad person with bad-fetishist-desires who can only desire people badly, it means you need to unlearn societal stigma so you can be a better partner to the people you desire.
And please don't describe your interest in a marginalized human body shape as 'kinky' or 'being into some freaky shit'.
Imagine what it means to tell a person that sexual attraction to their body isn't normal.
I love kink but liking a type of body is NOT kinky and it sure as hell isn't freaky. It's regular human-to-human attraction. It's as vanilla as it gets.
#frankly this is how people treat women (in varying ways depending on numerous axes but all stemming from baseline misogyny) #women are essentialized as merely a body by dint of the sexgender-class #of course this veers off from the premise of fetishism vs attraction to an extent but I wanted to draw #a connection to how being a woman whatsoever you are treated as a fetish (an object) (meant for sex sans interiority/essential humanity) #(disposable & easily damaged + replaced)
Oh yeah that's accurate.
Some of the items on the list are specifically about the stigma of 'I shouldn't desire this person' (like only want to date/fuck the person in secret and planning to eventually settle down with someone whose body isn't stigmatized)
But a lot of them also just come from seeing the other person as inferior, not a complete person and certainly not as important as your needs and desires. That is also how plenty of men see women.
