âBi lesbian was made by Radf.ems in 2016 and lesbianism always excluded men, words have clear cut meanings!!âł sources!
(Title is sarcastic actually! Oops!)
(Warning for outdated language in some of the sources. Use of queer and dyke.)
Source here:Â http://www.igs.ocha.ac.jp/igs/IGS_publication/journal/7/1.pdf
Those date from 2011. Not as old as other sources, but demonstrates that until recently, people have enjoyed the term. Again, the term didnât die in the 80s, and didnât suddenly appear in 2018.
https://star-anise.tumblr.com/post/189914592439/until-50-years-ago-the-word-for-a-bisexual-woman
https://star-anise.tumblr.com/post/612233355690442752/the-lesbian-only-term-myth-a-comprehensive#notes
https://star-anise.tumblr.com/post/189734915249/reference-card-to-my-butchfemme-posts#notes
https://shopbigirlsclub.com/why-butch-femme-belong-to-bisexuals-as-well-and-bi-history-resources/
https://sirene-saphique.tumblr.com/post/178459775659/for-anyone-who-says-butch-and-femme-are
https://star-anise.tumblr.com/post/182126519709/do-you-have-any-sources-on-the-claims-you-made-im
https://sirene-saphique.tumblr.com/post/185982238679/authoratmidnight-smallswingshoes
https://mobile.twitter.com/jessfromonline/status/1250919673471827968
*âBisexual Women and the âThreatâ to Lesbian Space", by Sharon Dale Stone
*âOdd Girls and Twilight Loversâ by Lilian Faderman
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/r0uc3c0vmnx5hm2/AACAf-rXqwSDgImBy7OMph3aa?dl=0
https://sirene-saphique.tumblr.com/post/623300907466194944/venomous-dyke-safersefirot
https://woman-loving.tumblr.com/post/623390916506533888/i-dont-identity-as-a-bi-lesbian-but-i-feel
https://woman-loving.tumblr.com/post/171942926505/a-while-ago-i-was-asked-over-im-to-talk-about-my
https://kyanitedragon.tumblr.com/post/623558084355375104/ive-been-using-doe-and-stag-because-i-thought
Carol Queenâs âThe queer in meâ; https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-queer-in-me_b_8178860?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAG-t049cd454Jt7r8ml8fqndvtpnOLYIYpu2VyMsCwtZqemO0giIiAMMM4uoEchs2OtHycZvD6joVWW4asW7AAxz1GjzakMCvfHUlWPw2Uk6B15Skv99rLyo7uaGmZc92kxwz7yM5KMLFDYumcUEGj-ipWvgP71K_q0vfzW5ixSp
https://bi-lesbian.tumblr.com/post/625828215725932544/lavender-woman-volume-2-issue-5-august-1973Â (Lavender women related, see previous pictures)
https://mobile.twitter.com/BiLesBot/status/1293575392045993985
https://mobile.twitter.com/cardiganhill/status/1297589215962828803?s=20
*This is about âLesbian and Bisexual Identities: Constructing Communities, Constructing Selvesâ, by Kristin G. Esteberg
https://books.google.ca/books?id=jVzGMF25uasC&pg=PA22&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
*Ebook for Lesbian health
https://href.li/?https://bipanlibrary.com/closer-to-home-bisexuality-and-feminism/
*Ebook for Closer to home, which mentions many labels such as bi-dyke, bi-lesbian, lesbian-identified bisexual, etc
Related to the above, Anything That Moves, which is the magasine that published the Bisexual Manifesto had this to say:Â
âThe women in Closer to Home give themselves many names. Bi-dyke, bi-lesbian, lesbian-identified bisexual, bi-affectional, lesbian, and formally-lesbian bisexual. Anything but straight. As Margaret Mihee Chloe points out in her essay, âidentity is that which makes one recognizable to self and other.â The plurality of names, and the combinations used, are all attempts in our clumsy and woman-wordless language, to create this identity, to make ourselves recognizable.â And a lot more quotes can be found in the magazine Â
The issue with this this specific quote can be found here
Edit; this post is/ will be updated as I find new shit
In all seriousness though, every time someone says âthe term was made by terfsâ, I see red. Bi lesbian is overwhelmingly used by trans women and non-binary people, and yâall have the nerve to pretend radfems are behind its creation (without, of course, listing a fucking source for it. Besides, radfems mentionning it and laughing at it is NO proof that they made it). Radfems have show again and again how much they despise the term, but yâall have decided that believing a bunch of gatekeeping fucks that will call everything they donât like âterf rethoricâ is the way to go, apparently, despite COUNTLESS TRANS PEOPLE telling you otherwise
And, NGL, yâall are ignorant as fuck to genuinely believe TERFs would let anyone they see as attracted to man label themselves a âlesbianâ in any way, much less âbi lesbianâ. The only lesbians in their eyes are Cis gold-star transphobic lesbians, thatâs it. They are literally the ones who separated the lesbian community, and kicked bi women out, but yâall still wanna pretend they legit use bi-lesbian in a positive manner at all?
FebFem (female exclusive bisexual female) is the term made by TERFs to refer to âgoodâ bi women who donât date menâ.
Below are screenshots showing what radfems think of bi-lesbians (hints; not positive.) obvious TW for transphobia, biphobia, lesbophobia, general GC bullshit.
https://twitter.com/caderaspindrift/status/1269680144563662849?s=20
https://twitter.com/caderaspindrift/status/1269691470585278464?s=20
https://twitter.com/ialika_lifina/status/1401609178435624960?s=20
You might notice: TERFs are the ONLY ones who (Sometimes) think Bi-lesbianism Is about âincluding trans women in lesbianismâ. No-lesbianism as used by people who actually use the label has NEVER been about defining attraction to trans women as âbisexual because of biological sexâ.
And bi is pretty much known as âattraction to 2 genders or MOREâ for a lot of folks who are bi. For bi-lesbian who refer to themselves as such, they mean women and non-binary genderS (with an s), or, more rarely specifically women and one non-binary gender (ex; women and agender people). They are not pushing for a âgender trinaryâ, stop saying that.
And if you try to pull the âbi is redundant cuz n-b people are already included in lesbianismâ: look if you personally include them in your own definition, good for you, no one is forcing you to change labels. If /you/ feel included, good for you, but please understand not all of us are. It can feel to some of us like we are reduced to âbinary-liteâ. (Example: imagine someone who is bigender man/woman: imagine someone saying âooh youâre non-binary so your eincluded!1! But anything MAN is excluded! But weâre very inclusive of non-binary identities uwuâ doesnt that sound contradicting in the slightest? Or at least erasing someoneâs identity?)
But if you try and pull it to say âenby genders are included cuz u can never know who is non-binary; fuck you for essentially misgendering a bunch of non-binary people as âbasically female-looking enoughâ. Besides, Iâm sorry to say it, but you can never be sure whoâs a woman, whoâs a man, whoâs non-binary. For all you know, that very feminine person with long hair you thought was cute is actually a man, (cis or trans), and goes by he/him pronouns. By /your own/ logic, that n-b people who are âfemale passing or androgynousâ enough are included because âyou can never tellâ, feminine men who look âfemale enoughâ could be included in lesbianism. Make of that what you will.
As for the âlesbians are into fem-aligned enbies anyway so the label bad :)â: I made this whole post about it, feel free to look into it and why that claim is high-key transphobic and nbphobic:Â
https://sirene-saphique.tumblr.com/post/630983263112085504/im-gonna-try-to-be-clear-because-i-am-fuming-but
As for âWELL SPLIT ATTRACTION MODEL BAD ;(â, Well. People know themselves better than you do. If your sexual and romantic attraction is the same, good for you, you do not get to talk for otherâs experiences with queerness.
âThey could just use homosexual biromantic then not lesbianâ!! Oof. Well first of all no? Why would you want someone to label themselves homosexual if they are not comfortable? The word has such a shit history??
Second: idk Iâm not comfortable with telling non-binary to use âhomosexualâ with their attraction to women (because, surprise, women =/= Non-binary, unless for those who identify as botch) if they are Not also women, or women-aligned.
I also feel saying the SAM is âbadâ because itâs just a âmodifierâ feels. Disrespectful to aro/ace people, as it treats being aro and/or ace as a modifier rather than a full orientation but maybe thatâs just me lol.
Also i cannot believe I need to say this apparently but -ahem- Queer People Are Not Responsible For Shitty CisHet Men Hitting on people Who Arenât Interested IN Dating Them. Stop Victim Blaming I Beg Of You.
Finally: WHaT AbOuT DICTiOnArY DEFInITIOns1!1!
1; I feel the queer movement should be about revolution and giving up on the neat little boxes cishet society has pushed on us, and instead let queer people decide for themselves what fits best but you do you?
2 ; if you want to use âdictionary definitions, go for it I guess, but no âofficialâ dictionary definition i have seen refers to lesbianism as /exclusive/ attraction to women.
As you can see, none of these describe lesbianism as âexclusiveâ attraction to women
This is how stonewall uk defines the term âlesbianâ. Again, it is not exclusive.
(The same applies to âhomosexualâ or âgayâ. It is always referred more or less as âattraction to same sex and/or genderâ, never âEXCLUSIVE attractionâ)
âWHY CANT YOU JUST USE SAPPHIC??1!1!â
Well. That has come full circle if you ask me.
If you reblog, I ask that you do NOT tag as âq-slurâ