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i mean first off obviously i don’t know for sure

but given the fact that ashley and claire liked the tweet about karlie accidentally betraying taylor to scooter and then unfollowed karlie like i’m sorry i can’t not come to conclusions based on that.

and the fact that both perez and specner pratt talked openly about how karlie ended up being bad news for taylor in the end and then both received cardigans??? (click here for receipts)

i don’t know

some people say “oh it’s just taylor marketing folklore she doesn’t actually like those guys”

like...nahhh folklore was a smash hit and she sent cardigans out to tons of WAY WAY WAY bigger celebs than perez and spencer pratt like she did not need their tiny fanbases to get folklore to #1.  felt more like she was sending a message...

also claire and ashley DO NOT clout chase, they are low key people and long long long time friends of taylor’s and are still friends with her to this day.  they are not out here playing games or being used as pawns in ornate pr schemes.  they have a tiny bit of celebrity but both in general are just civilians.

but in the end, i do not know for sure.

maybe there’s just weirdness going on.

liiiiiiike

i’m not the only one who sees all this shit right?

hey sweetie anon! we love you!

ofc we’re happy to elaborate!

but first, i want to take a moment to say...like i definitely acknowledge that it’s tacky to speculate and like...do this deep a dive into trying to see if one of our faves is getting divorced or not, before she’s publicly commented on it.  at least to us, it’s a bit tacky but we’re completely ok with being tacky here at the blog.  i just wanna remind everyone please not to @ her or get in her mentions over any of this (or Taylor or karlie or who the fuck ever.). that’s the one singular rule/boundary we personally have for the blog.  

if dianna wants to know our thoughts we’re certain she knows well enough to search her name on Tumblr to keep tabs on the lesbian lunatics who follow her and what we’re up to. 

anyway...let’s start with...

well let’s start with a jump because this is gonna be long

1.  the ring 

-    dianna’s got FUCKING GORGEOUS and huge engagement ring that she seemed to wear just about everywhere after she got engaged in January 2016

-     the last time we’ve got images of dianna wearing a ring on her left ring finger in public is November 23rd, 2019 pictured here (it looks like just her wedding band)

(can we talk about her friendship with bi icon Olivia Wilde at some point? maybe if we do a blondterage masterpost)

-     she did wear her engagement ring on November 21, 2019, when she sang at the Cartier store in NYC (but OF COURSE she was gonna wear the rock to sing at Cartier)

-     we also get a good look at it on November 11, 2019 when she was in Morroco for a friend’s wedding (cause there’s no other place to fucking get married we guess🤷‍♀️):

-     after late November we can’t find an instance of her wearing it.  of course, she doesn’t wear it on set, and it’s fair to assume when she’s like lounging or working out (she didn’t seem to wear it to dance classes for example) she may not wear it either.  but still!

ringless dianna post-November 2019:

there are more pictures of her without the ring, of course a LOT of the dianna content we got this winter was her filming the Laureate (we’re still recruiting for a house Laura Riding expert y’all, that’s who dianna plays in the movie and we wonder if Taylor is gonna make references to her in upcoming music or themes!) and she wouldn’t wear the ring on set so you know...these are just snapshots.

2.  quarantining without winston

as far as i can tell dianna quarantined in nyc (she went back there after filming the laureate in the UK which is interesting because...winston is in the UK...why not stay with your hubs?) and winston quarantined in the UK.  receipts in this post

3.  THE WEDDING PHOTOS 

-     ok this just really goes to show how invested and insane dianna’s lesbian fanbase is but in 2018 Selby put a story up of dianna’s Christmas party and you could see her wedding photos on her piano 

-      when she posted her wear a mask psa on July 2nd 2020 the dianna stans noticed she had moved or removed the photos (top right pic they’re gone):

4.  don’t have receipts but a trusted source says she saw on twitter that some of winston’s fans saw him in Cuba with another woman in may 2020 and they seemed confused as to why he was with her and not dianna

5.  in general she seems reserved and gloomy (and has since she finished filming the laureate) and having to deal with a breakup/divorce/or even the end of a PRomance or bearding contract might do that to someone!

6.  as far as i can tell she hasn’t been around winston since summer 2019 (like in sm or pictures or at events)

7.  she hasn’t liked anything of winston’s on insta since July 2019 (we need to double-check that but we’re pretty sure)

well WELCOME TO THE SHARED PSYCHOSIS indie music anon (or should i just call you dianna) glad to have you aboard! 

hoax is almost certainly about karlie and how she broke taylor’s heart by accidentally assisting with the master’s heist:

new york almost always is a karlie reference.  dianna and taylor lived in la when they dated.  karlie and taylor lived in nyc when they dated.

the ‘they pulled me apart’ is about the 2016 kimye taylor swift is over party

karlie was around for that and so karlie should know “it still hurts underneath my scars, From when they pulled me apart”

other references to karlie in hoax:

“my eclipsed sun”

karlie is sunshine to taylor.  from the vogue best friend’s video:

taylor uses the sunshine emoji to describe karlie

also “i am ash from your fire”

taylor says in call it what you want (aka KARLIE would you want to) “he built a fire just to keep me warm” and in i did something bad “i can feel the flames on my skin”.  karlie is the fire.

also “my kingdom come undone” 

the song king of my heart is absolutely about karlie and also in the best friends vogue video karlie says taylor is the princess emoji.  karlie is king, and the kingdom has come undon.

also shade of blue isn’t a specific reference but it means whoever she’s singing about it’s not going well with them rn.

if you want dianna songs on folklore check out the 1, this is me trying, or exile

the posts in question:

ALSO

are we running this up against her twitter from 2013?

because um

here’s what else happened on April 23

keep searching for clues y’all!!!

the visuals for clean on the 1989 tour:

OMG ANON I AM SCREAMING AMAZNG AMAZIING FIND???? OMG YOU WIN ANON OF THE FUCKING MONTH HOLY SHIT

FROM WHOSIRMESIR BLOG:

OMFG SWIFTGRON WAS SO REAL AND IT JUST RUINS ME😭😭😭😭

ANON ILY SO MUUCH WOWOWOOWOWOW.

hi!  i’m cam!  i am the main blog runner here at swiftgron-get-married and producer/host of the clownery in wonderland we’re all mad podcast.  i grew up in the southeast of the US and i’ve loved taylor since debut.  i’m a lesbian, she/her pronouns,  and i’m here to talk gaylor swift, swiftgron, dianna gaygron, and queer pop culture!  if you want to know more just slide into my dms or anon away!  i’m here to connect with people and love to have conversations about this stuff!

if you’re new to swiftgron click here to dip your toes in to see a few of my favorite swiftgron “proofs”

or

click here to read the entire timeline that i wrote and built to explore exactly when swiftgron started, what happened, and when it ended

click keep reading for a blog/pod faq!

don’t think so.

a @/whosirmesir was on twitter linking the blog as early as February 2013 and the blog was started January 2013.  it follows a few people, Dianna is not one of them:

also even if it’s not Dianna it’s not a fan page

they post ZERO glee or Dianna content

but regardless the EARLIEST mentions of people knowing who whosirmesir was in march 2013 and that was a few whispers in Portuguese.  american glee stans didn’t find out it was dianna until late summer 2013.

this guy seems to accidentally out her with an Instagram post tagging her with other friends of hers:

and the gleeks who speak Portuguese started talking about it the next day:

translates (roughly sorry, using google) to “Agron was crazy lol James do face doesn't have a pic, Lulu doesn't have a pic and now she invents me whosirmesir will use pic.”

then june 23 you have the first mention of whosirmesir in English and by July 30 you have someone @ ing her about it

also just to cross-reference whosirmesir was first referenced on the l chat in august 2013:

so it’s either someone who just HAPPENED to go by whosirmesir (before dianna was publicly known as whosirmesir) and also just HAPPENED to post a bunch of stuff that dianna loved ALL of (some of which dianna was posting publicly at the same time to her public twitter)...or it’s dianna.

this one is gonna hurt guys…put the song on while reading. this song is about tayler’s relationships with women, her beards, and their beards

in the first verse:

Taylor is singing to her female partner and regretting said partner’s beard

And it took you five whole minutes To pack us up and leave me with it Holdin’ all this love out here in the hall -  it was rumored karlie was forced to move out of taylor’s nyc home in just a few minutesminutes Chorus:

I think I’ve seen this film before  And I didn’t like the ending -  Taylor knows where this is going…Emily ended up with a man, so did Dianna You’re not my homeland anymore -  Taylor has been exiled in favor of Josh So what am I defending now? You were my town, now I’m in exile, seein’ you out -  “and the city screams your name” Karlie was New York I think I’ve seen this film before -  Taylor knows where this is going…

in the second verse:

Taylor is singing to her female partner regretting her own beard

He’s (harry) just your (dianna) understudy

Second, third, and hundredth chances -  swiftgron tried to make it work again and again and again Balancin’ on breaking branches -  it was always a tough balancing act of just pretending to be friends -  also see this quote from alice in wonderland - “Alice crouched down among the trees as well as she could, for her neck kept getting entangled among the branches, and every now and then she had to stop and untwist it.” Those eyes add insult to injury -  “didn’t you flash those green eyes at me?” -  “And all I’ve seen, Since eighteen hours ago, Is green eyes and freckles and your smile”

I think I’ve seen this film before And I didn’t like the ending I’m not your problem anymore So who am I offending now? -  they broke up didn’t they? dianna doesn’t have to put up with Tay’s beards anymore

You were my crown, now I’m in exile, seein’ you out -  Karlie reference - king of my heart So step right out, there is no amount -  please come out, please…i’m begging you and i’m begging myself Of crying I can do for you All this time We always walked a very thin line -  dianna reference - “we’re a crooked love in a straight line down” You didn’t even hear me out (You didn’t even hear me out) You never gave a warning sign (I gave so many signs) -  Taylor again and again gave signs to the public and fanbase she was going to come out All this time I never learned to read your mind (Never learned to read my mind) -  dianna reference - mumford and sons song called “woman” written about dianna, that taylor had on a playlist, includes the lyric “I can’t read your mind though I’m trying all the time”

TLGAD is at face value about Rebekah Harkness and William Harkness.  Read more on that here.

Is it possible she just wrote a song about them and their home Holiday House that she ended up buying?  Yes!  It may be as simple as that…

However we know Taylor likes to insert herself into historical or otherwise fictional narratives in songwriting.

See: “burton to this taylor” - comparing herself and her lover to Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor

Also: Love Story - she literally writes romeo and juliet fanfic with herself as a self insert original character

Also: Wonderland (shivers in swiftgron) - she uses the fictional imagery of alice in wonderland to describe a maddening love affair

Also: Eyes Open/Safe and Sound - inspired by the very fictional Hunger Games series but obviously Taylor, who admitted to identifying with Katniss, put personal emotion and personal feelings into those songs.

It’s fair to at least consider that she may be hiding a personal story within the metaphor/lore (folklore?) of the story of Rebekah and Bill.

look…it’s hard to ignore that Rebekah is from St. Louis…we don’t even need to say it but…Karlie is from St. Louis.  Also Karlie spent plenty of time at that exact saltbox house - the house Taylor now owns and hosted many parties at where Karlie was a guest.

Josh is not an oil heir but if you search about who he is look what comes up in this article:

If Tay were to comment on karlie x josh you would think she would mention their not one but two weddings.  Charming and Gauche are antonyms.  She may be saying wedding 1 was charming (it was small and private) and wedding 2 was gauche. Karlie became new money partially by dating josh and then marrying into his family.  She also worked her way up as a model, but either way she is New Money.

Karlie did not get “loud” with Josh on her social media until after the public started to speculate about kaylor and then even louder after when we suspect Kaylor broke up.

Look…we really don’t want to be That Swiftgron Blog but our analysis of the 1 has us thinking that no, swiftgron is not together but yes, Taylor is reminiscing over and maybe missing Dianna a bit and regretting the way swiftgron ended.  

Also cardigan: “chase two girls, lose the 1″ if dianna is the 1 then the other of the two girls could be Karlie.

so “if she never showed up, what could’ve been” might be referring to the suspected swiftgron/kaylor overlap in 2013.

“maddest woman” - we think mad woman is about karlie we will do that analysis soon

“she had a marvelous time ruining everything” - if you are open to the idea that kaylor broke up and can accept that yes, Karlie maintained a relationship with SB and married into the trump family you could see how Tay may bitterly think at times that Karlie “ruined everything”

“Bitch Pack” - we think Taylor is poking fun at her own bitch pack/squad that Karlie was a part of:

also the rumor that Karlie threw parties at Taylor’s place without her permission makes of us think of the line “filled the pool with champaign and swam with the big names”

“the money” - “And if he spends my change…” - we know Taylor is generous with her partners.  also we saw a rumor that someone sold something to karlie and she paid for it with one of taylor’s credit cards? we can’t find the receipt but something to consider.

“the ballet” - do we even have to say it? Karlie was a ballerina:

and y’all the “dali” line…

we’re shook that we found this connection but:

the addition of “the most shameless woman” to this chorus is interesting.

Karlie’s marriage essentially into the Trump family…and allll her stunts with Josh…yeah we can see how Taylor might consider that Shameless.

for this last chorus Taylor finally inserts herself into the narrative and if you do believe that this is possibly a “karlie diss track” then yes she would be “the loudest woman this town has ever seen” and she would be having “a marvelous time ruining everything” putting karlie on blast like this.

NOTE TO KAYLORS:  THIS BLOG IS NOT ANTI-KARLIE OR ANTI-KAYLOR THIS IS SIMPLY ONE THEORY.  WE ARE NOT POSITIVE THIS SONG IS A “KARLIE DISS TRACK” MERELY CONSIDERING IT.

IF YOU BELIEVE KAYLOR WAS TOGETHER (WHICH OF COURSE WE DO) THEN YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST CONSIDER THEY MAY HAVE BROKEN UP.

IF KAYLOR BROKE UP, WE WOULD GET SONGS ABOUT IT.  WE DON’T THINK IT’S UNFAIR TO ANALYZE SONGS THROUGH THE LENS OF A POSSIBLE KAYLOR BREAKUP.  

I think this song, like most on folklore tell two stories: the first is who they are explicitly about, and the second is the one between the lines that is about Taylor—she wrote around the first, and left traces of her own story in the second. The first story here is of Rebekah West Harkness and her time in the Watch Hill house. The second is of Josh x Karlie x Taylor.

I’m a Kaylor—I don’t consider this “starting shit” and I’ve definitely questioned whether Kaylor is still together.

i actually think i deleted it accidentally!! so im gonna do it here again!

i’m going to do this analysis based on the idea that it’s from dianna’s perspective because aaron dresner said it’s not from taylor’s pov.  however let’s all remember he may not know for sure whose pov it’s from.  

obviously to protect the joe narrative this song can’t be from taylor’s pov because it would sound like she’s pining over an old love.  anyway!

so saying yes instead of no may be referring to dianna getting married (though that marriage has ended, she was still married when this song was written.  or perhaps dianna’s divorce means she’s saying yes to coming out soon? maybe being publicly with a woman? who knows that’s a bit more of a reach.

hit the ground running each night may be referring to going out and enjoying nightlife which thanks to molly and company’s social media we know she does like to do.

then the Sunday matinee and films reference - well dianna is an actress that does films exclusively now.  also is maybe a reference about exile “i think i’ve seen this film before” and i do think exile is about dianna.

“if you wanted me, you really should’ve showed” - may be taylor giving dianna’s pov a chance like it’s possible taylor did say no to a proposal and taylor said no.  if you never bleed, you’re never gonna grow may be a reference to dbatc and she may be telling taylor ‘hey it’s ok to hurt about relationships being over’

to me the roaring twenties line is the most dianna line of all

first of all take a look at the poster for dianna’s upcoming movie The Laureate:

also if we take the line “tossing pennies in the pool” and let it means “tossing the 1 (because a penny is 1 cent) in the pool” it’s possible it’s a reference to the 22 (roaring twenties?) music video where taylor literally tosses herself into the pool at the very end.  we know 22 was dedicated to dianna:

“never leaving well enough alone” - seems to be a reference to me! this doens’t seem to be specifically dianna related but it is interesting to note that taylor dropped me! on lesbian visibility day.  also taylor speaks french in the me! mv and is dressed up like grace kelly.  dianna and taylor hung out in paris and have both done the grace kelly look.  probably not related but just noting it.

“it would’ve been FUN” well come ON. the fun concert where they were seen in public together last (until the amas and snl but the last time they were seen before kaylor):

this sounds like a reference to Wonderland.  dianna “searched the world” after swiftgron broke up.  maybe she wishes taylor could be free and go off on adventures herself?

i mean obviously this just screams dianna lmao:

never painting by the numbers gives me snobby artsy dianna vibes

“great love” seems to be a reference to dbatc and possibly this love?

the repeated i’s remind me of ikywt and other red era songs.

not the “one thing” that may have been different...this line makes me sad.

do we think taylor is referencing the idea that maybe if she could have come out they could have been married?  or perhaps maybe if one of them were a man and they were in a heteronormative relationship?

“rose flowing with your chosen family” - sounds like maybe the blondeterage in nyc?

then digging up the grave another time just seems to be a reference to the possible on and off nature of swiftgron.

and there you have it!

Sebastian and dianna dated from late summer 2011 to February 2012 so they “broke up” right before Dianna got with Taylor.  I laid all this out in my timeline here - https://swiftgronmasterpost.tumblr.com/ - however... Sebastian specifically I think was a typical promance, that is certainly the rumor that goes around the industry:

^this is from an unbiased gossip blogger (who has proven themselves to have some kind of connections in the industry by posting bts videos of awards shows and movie premiers and claims to be a publicist) who has ZERO interest in dianna or swiftgron or gaylor but claims to have worked for dianna’s pr company back in the day

take with a grain of salt ofc but i tend to trust what she says regarding dianna (she’s gay, nice, and professional according to this person)

here’s a breakdown of how i feel on each rs

Dave (don’t know the timeline entirely) - probably somewhat real and i think she broke up with him for lea AP (summer 2010 to February 2011) - started out as PR (dianna herself said that the director suggested they date) but developed into some kind of physical tho casual relationship/connection while Dianna and Lea were on a break or open while dianna filmed IAN4 during the summer of 2010 that led alex to get obsessed (ok who wouldn’t) with her (to the point that he got a tattoo of her nickname, “lamb” on his arm) but i do not think she returned his feelings at all.  whatever their connection was i think she was essentially pressured to date him for pr and there was something real about it but i think the fact that she broke up with him the weekend of their movie premier very easily proves it was mostly pr

SS (summer 2011 - February 2012) - PR as stated above

Christian Cooke (~November 2012 - ~March 2013) - he’s another medium teeny-bopper actor she was spotted with him a handful of times, he’s similar to ss and ap - feels like pr (also specifically during swiftgron)

Nick Mathers (Summer 2013 - January 2014) - the first millionaire non-actor on the list...i don’t know that it was PR but i’m not sure it was a genuine connection.  i think there was a contractual aspect to it. Tommy Cocquerel (March 2014 - November 2014) - another teeny small time actor similar to ss, ap, and cc.  she was seen ALL over him (and drunk/high off her ass) at Coachella that year...i don’t have much of an opinion on this one.  she’s never done pda like that before so maybe it was genuine.  she gave an interview a few days after that pda event and they asked her about it and she seemed embarrassed and irritated and declined to comment. before we jump to winston look how common her pattern is...typically ab a 9 mo relationship with a male actor of similar stature to her...make of that what you will but it reminds me of taylor’s 3 months dating messes bullshit just saying WINSTON (started dating summer 2015, engaged January 2016, married October 2016, separated summer 2019, public split summer 2020) - the next millionaire on the list.  i don’t think this was pr or bearding i think it’s more complicated than that, but i think there was a contractual aspect to it.  everything we know about winston makes it sound he’s a complete asshole and the only thing they had in common was music. so the only connections that read as at least somewhat genuine to me are dave and tommy

another note...remember when taylor said this:

“haven’t seen each other in a few months, she’s got a boyfriend now, so you know...”

taylor had two boyfriends during the height of swiftgron and dianna was with cc while she was still very publicly close with taylor.

this was said sometime after the killers she’s just another girl mv came out so after November 2013 (but still during the red tour) so that fits nick.  

this suggests either 2 things to me.  1. taylor was bullshitting and looking for an excuse to explain why she and dianna were no longer close and she couldn’t say “oh yeah we don’t hang out anymore because WE BROKE UP”

2. cc was fake so didn’t interfere with dianna’s attention to taylor (obviously because they were dating) but perhaps nick was more real and did pull them apart?

i don’t have answers only theories but here are my feelings on all of it!

DIANNA’S EYES ARE GREEN I AM NOT IN THE MOOD FOR HAYLORS TODAY THEY’RE GREEN IN GLEE:

HER EYES ARE GREEN ON HER FAKE ID IN GLEE:

HER DUMBASS BITMOJI HAD GREEN GREEN GREEN EYES: