Hi Hamliet, I don't know if you've been following the HH thing on social media, but in an interview a few weeks ago, the voice actress for Charlie Morningstar said that the character was going to repeat the same bad actions from the previous season to make her mother proud. Some fans reacted by saying it was bad writing to have the character repeat the same mistakes over and over without apparently learning anything in the previous two seasons. What do you think?
Hi! I did see that, and I'm personally excited. Characters need to get worse before they get better, and with 5 seasons planned, a solid upward turn for Charlie after just two seasons would be poor pacing.
Honestly, I do think people are a bit quick to judge and hate, and also a bit hypocritical. Like, I've not seen people saying Angel going back to Val is bad writing, nor Husk returning to his gambling, nor Lucifer still thinking he's worthless... but it's bad for the queer woman, I guess.
This is clearly a common motif deliberately used by the story. Trying to break addictions and bad habits is not easy. You have to be prepared for a rollercoaster if you actually want to change.
We also haven't seen season 3 yet, and I'm curious as to what these mistakes will be. For example, in season 2 Charlie had no idea what redemption was and looked to stereotypes to redeem Angel, and pushed him so far he got hurt. Do I think she's going to tie Husk to tracks while falling for Vox's propaganda in season 3? No. Obviously not. That would likely be bad writing, and honestly I think this is an example of functional illiteracy in that I very much think people who say this are assuming it means exactly the same plot points instead of the same themes.
Thematically, though, it will be the same... in that I very much think Charlie is still going to take the idea that Pentious was redeemed by atoning for his specific sin as another formula to gain redemption, when it's still in reality much more complicated than that. Do I think she's still going to worry about her reputation? Do I think she might poke a bit too far into Angel's past? Do I think she might still listen to bad influences (cough, cough, Lilith is set up to be exactly that)?
If these didn't happen, I think that would be bad writing that would undercut the very message of the series: that it's hard to change. But hard doesn't make it impossible, and with people who don't give up on you even when you hurt them, even when you're your worst self--well, that can create miracles (Pentious).
I'd also add that Charlie's core flaw is related to her Parent Issues--while she acknowledges the issues with her father, she also has serious issues with Lilith. A parent abandoning you for seven years despite your desperation to make them proud? We see echoes of this is pretty much every relationship of Charlie's: she doesn't want to be abandoned, and she wants to impress people, make them stay, make them proud, even if there's no indication from their end of what they want.
The way Charlie looks to Lilith for solutions all the time (though she never picks up) makes it clear, narratively, that Lilith is likely to be more of a problem (at least at first) than a solution for Charlie. But Charlie hasn't so much as realized she has a Mommy Issue yet, much less started to try and heal that.
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“The LEGO Movie was my favorite movie of 2014, but it strikes me that the main character was male, because I feel like in our current culture, he HAD to be. The whole point of Emmett is that he’s the most boring average person in the world. It’s impossible to imagine a female character playing that role, because according to our pop culture, if she’s female she’s already SOMEthing, because she’s not male. The baseline is male. The average person is male. You can see this all over but it’s weirdly prevalent in children’s entertainment. Why are almost all of the muppets dudes, except for Miss Piggy, who’s a parody of femininity? Why do all of the Despicable Me minions, genderless blobs, have boy names? I love the story (which I read on Wikipedia) that when the director of The Brave Little Toaster cast a woman to play the toaster, one of the guys on the crew was so mad he stormed out of the room. Because he thought the toaster was a man. A TOASTER. The character is a toaster. I try to think about that when writing new characters— is there anything inherently gendered about what this character is doing? Or is it a toaster?”
— Bojack Horseman creator Raphael Bob-Waksberg commenting on how weird gendered defaults in entertainment are, and why we should think twice about them. Excerpted from this longer original post.
(via 360degreesasthecrowflies)
Super early Father’s Day art. More doodles to come, featuring different stages of Charlie’s life!
The two panel’s silhouette are suppose to be old fashion cameras and a journalist from the early 19th century. Was too lazy to actually draw them out, but they look hella confusing without details. Oh well! There’s more to come so stay tuned.
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Here comes a quick post about another design detail that I noticed in Hazbin Hotel (and to a lesser extent in Helluva Boss). That is portals!
The ability to think up portals seems to be an ability shared by high ranking angels and demons alike. As per usual, the way the portals appear tells us something about the characters.
HEAVEN
Generic Heaven Portal
This portal opens up for Charlie and Vaggi in Welcome to Heaven. It appears like a golden circle on fire. It is fun 'cause it loosely resembles a circus fire hoop, which fits Charlie.
Cherubs' Portals
Cherubs can materialize portals to move between Heaven and Earth. These portals look like circles made of shining clouds, which fits the Cherubs' pastel aesthetic.
Lucifer's Portal
Lucifer's portal is a sparkly ring made of light and little stars, which ties with the King of Hell's celestial theme. He is the "Morningstar", after all.
In general, Lucifer has a double elemental motif.
Light, which ties him to Heaven, angels and dreams:
Fire, which ties him to Hell, demons and sin:
This double elemental motif pops up everywhere, even Lucifer's teleportation ability.
Emily's Portal
Emily's portal is made of bubbles! This check, as Emily's character is commented by the motif of "bubbles" in multiple ways:
She has a bubbling personality
She is "holy water" to Charlie's "hellfire"
She is "the girl in the bubble" in the sense she is sheltered
She sings bubblegum pop :P aka what Welcome to Heaven and Like You are deep down
Sera's Portal
Sera's portal is interesting because it is a mix of Lucifer's and Emily's:
Like Lucifer's, it is made of light and sparkles
Like Emily's, it has bubbles and seems made of water
It's too soon to say, but it would be interesting if Sera's elemental motif commented her foiling with both Lucifer and Emily. In particular, she could be light and water in juxtaposition with Lucifer (light and fire). This would make the two older Seraphims complementary just like Emily and Charlie.
The Exorcists' Portal
In season 1 the Exorcists move between Heaven and Hell through portals that are made of two circles decorated with rays:
Season 2 has the same portals return:
Now, it is not clear if these portals are:
Typical of the Exorcists or of the Archangels
Specific to Adam and Abel
Whatever the case, they are clearly meant to be linked to the Exorcists' army since they are associated to them. They could also highlight the similarity of powers between Adam and Abel.
Season 1 VS Season 2
Let me highlight that in season 1 the portals are circles that let the final destination be visible. In season 2 instead they are made of energy and hide the final destination.
This change is probably an animation/aesthetic choice. That said, it is fun to think it is a result of Sera putting Heaven under lock-down.
HELL
Asmodean Crystal Portals
Asmodean Crystals let demons move through places and dimensions. The portals they create resemble... well... crystals :P
The Book's Portals
When Loona and the Imps use the book to teleport, the portals appear as generic red rings of fire. I guess these are default portals.
Stolas and Via's Portals
Father and daughter's portals are similar, since they appear made of "dark matter"/"space matter". This fits the family space motif. At the same time, Stolas's portal appears lighter, while Octavia's is darker. This might mirror their respective personalities, as Stolas is more outgoing, while Octavia is in her emo phase :P
I will add that Octavia seems to have inherited both her father's space powers:
And her uncle's ice powers:
So, it is possible she may be able to create portals made of ice. In general, it would be interesting to see how her two elemental motifs comment her story.
After all, in Sinsmas she uses:
Her space powers to protect Stolas
Her ice powers to cut Stolas off
I would not be surprised if her two elements were used to comment Octavia's inner conflict and the influence of both her mother/uncle and her father.
Asmodeus's Portal
Probably all Sins and Higher Demons can manifest portals. However, Ozzie is especially linked to them. After all the crystals that let demons teleport are called "Asmodean". So, it is not surprising Ozzie uses this power often. His portals are obviously made of fire whose flames are shaped like little hearts.
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To celebrate the announcement of 'No Straight Roads 2' in development, I'd thought I'd share one of my rarely seen animated shots I had done a while back. Eve was complicated to animate, but it was a fun challenge.
Little bitty details I noticed as I am working on longer metas (and asks! I got three wonderful asks I wanna answer, but I need time :P)
TEAPOTS AND PHONE CASES
Hazbin Hotel makes use of mundane objects like teapots and phone cases to convey characters' personalities and motifs. Here are some (there may be others).
Teapot Edition
Lucifer
The Ringmaster of Hell has a circus-themed teapot shaped like an elephant (is that a Dumbo reference? I think it is; it's not that the whole Lucifer was cast out of Heaven because "different" subtext is subtle :P)
Rosie
The leader of Cannibal Town likes her teapot pink, thorned and with a skull on top. Okay Rosie, we get it, some roses have thorns and are deadly!
Velvette
The Miranda Priestly of the Vees likes to dress up even her teapot with a cute witch-hat, which mirrors her own style. Does she serve tea or potions?
Charlie
Let's spill the tea: the Princess of Hell is truly a good apple and her teapot emphasizes it. Our girl Charlie likes her tea in a super cute apple-shaped teapot.
Phone Case Edition
Ok, here I am sure to be missing someone. For simplicity, let's have Angel, the Vees and the Morningstars. If you notice other phone cases (or teapots :P), please share! I like these little details!
Angel
Angel's phone case is a skull made of pink webs, with heart-shaped eyes and a heart-shaped nose. Blood comes out from its mouth in a way that creates heart-shaped patterns. It is a synthesis of all of Angel's major motifs. Angel is a spider caught in self-hate (his own web), who looks for love (the heart-shaped eyes and nose), but finds an abusive and twisted version of it in Valentino (the blood, which looks like Val's drugs). This bond is slowly killing Angel (the skull).
The Vees
Valentino
Val's phone case mirrors Angel's. His too has several heart-shaped motifs, but they create intricate shapes, which resemble Val's moth wings. The basic idea is clear. If Angel is a spider trapped in his own web, Val is a poisonous moth, who spreads false love (and probably deep down wants true love). Obviously, the many hearts also allude to Val's role in the porn movie industry.
Vox
Vox's phone is a perfect synthesis of who Vox is. First of all, it is blue... kidding...mostly :P The logo on Vox's phone is a sound wave shaped like a "V". It's the symbol that appears in Vox's left red eye (hence the red circles) whenever he hypnotizes someone. The color of the "V" is also the same light blue of his "magical eye". All in all, this symbol conveys that Vox is able to charm others with his voice (sound wave) and charisma (his eye).
Velvette
Velvette's phone is interesting because it combines all of the Vees' motifs. It has Vox's "V", Val's "heart" and a stylized version of Velvette's signature pigtails, that resemble the @ symbol. Finally, there's a "3" on top, which combined with the "V" below makes a heart. So, the 3 Vees are Velvette's heart. This fits the "backbone of the Vees", as she is the one who tried to keep the group together the most last season.
The Morningstars
Lucifer
Lucifer's phone case is a golden circus with lions, snakes and stars. That is because the Devil himself is not just a clown, but the whole circus :P. Moreover, his Kingdom is deep down just a seven ring circus ruled by a circus troupe. The phone case also sports Lucifer's main colors: white, golden and red. Finally, there are other motifs linked to him, like the snakes (he is the devil :P) and the stars (fitting his morning-star title).
Lilith
Lilith's phone has a golden tree on it. It is an obvious reference to the Tree of Knowledge. Still, it has interestingly no fruits on it :P. We know too little of Lilith to comment further, but one thing is for sure. What exactly does the Queen of Hell know?
Charlie
Charlie's phone case is decorated with a stylized logo which combines a musical key symbol (treble clef) with her apple motif. The picture above also ties it together with the Morningstars' snake motif, but I don't think it's official. What's sure is that the Princess of Hell's phone is a synthesis of who she is. She combines Lucifer's entertainment motif (the circus) and Lilith's mythological one (the tree) in a musical apple, the fruit who will bring music and love back in Hell. This is also why the stylized apple looks so much like a heart (a golden heart to boot).
OTHER RANDOM THINGS
Here comes a mix of other details I noticed and liked.
CHARLIE AND VOX ARE DORKS
I mean... just look at their perfectly planned schemes:
And their so serious and professional presentations:
(Also I love Charlie putting subtitles in hers :P go giiiiiiiirl!)
HOW THE VEES WORK
Speaking of Vox's "My Evil Plan" presentation... it actually illustrates Vox's plan kinda clearly:
Vox: And when this baby reaches the top, bam! And that's how we'd rule Heaven. Any questions?
Vox's words here sound delusional (and they are to an extent :P), but they make much more sense once we take into account how Vox's powers work. He gets stronger the more people look up and admire him (he works like medias, after all). So, his plan is actually that of simply gaining more political power, which would automatically make him stronger: vox populi, vox Dei.
Except Vox immediately loses all his power the moment he shows his true colors:
Incidentally, this picture also explains why Val rose to the position of "face" of the Vees, instead of Velvette. On the right you can see the Vees' personal approval rates. Vox is rock bottom, while Velvette and Val are closer. Still, Val is more popular than Velvette. So, Valentino ends up as the new representative of the group.
AN EYE FOR AN EYE
This is a minor thing, but I like how in episode 7 the window of Adam's office is still broken, after Lute smashes it in episode 2. In general, I like the design of the building and how through the Exorcist mask, it emphasizes their "eye for an eye" philosophy.
It's also funny that all the exorcists (women), but their leader (a man both when it comes to Adam and Abel), wear a one-eyed mask. Something, something... women used by the patriarchy who internalize misogyny and don't realize their own abusive situation :P. Let's just say the Exorcists' motto being "an eye for an eye" and all the girls symbolically lacking an eye because of Adam's brainwashing, but never thinking to retaliate against him holds a lot of meaning.
CHARLIE AND LUCIFER LOVING EACH OTHER VERY VERY MUCH
Let's end with my favorite daughter and father duo loving each other a lot, despite it all. The evolution of their relationship is very sweet and it's conveyed also through minor details... like:
Charlie has some ducks on the desk in her current office, a little reminder of her dad, while she is working.
Lucifer has updated Charlie's profile pic on his phone since season 1. In episode 1x5 he has a picture of Charlie as a child, whereas in 2x6 he has a more recent photo. This highlights how father and daughter's bond is slowly healing and how Charlie is now a part of Lucifer's life. (As an additional detail, I love that Lucifer put his phone on vibration mode, as he is watching his melodrama duck series LOL Bridgerton with ducks is too important to be interrupted by circus music :P)
@aspoonofsugar a cool detail I noticed? You can very easily notice the difference between buildings built by Hellborn and buildings built by human sinners based on their architecture.
Architecture built by Hellborn always has a lot of symbology built into it. From things like railings to doorways, to walls, there's always so much ornateness and repeated imagery that you can find in the way they're designed. Like beehives for Gluttony, Webs in Greed, Clouds in Sloth and Hearts in Lust. Even in Wrath, while there isn't a lot of symbology, they do make the point of decorating buildings with spikes, horns, and weaponry.
Whereas with Sinners, their buildings tend to resemble more regular human buildings. Yes, some use images like Rosie using skulls, Maestro using musical notes and Zestial using cobwebs, but thats generally not repeated iconography or imagery in all their decorating, its just a symbol they happen to have in their place.
In fact, the only characters who do something similar are the Vee' with the way they all use their icons to decorate their rooms and offices. But even there, you can see how its different then what the Hellborn do, feeling more like they like splashing their logo around.
In fact, the one place is Hazbin Hotel that iS decorated similarly to Hellborn run locations in helluva Boss ie, ironically, the Hazbin Hotel itself. Its filled with Lucifers symbols and images relating to him and the Pride Ring.
And I love that small detail of the similar architecture and symbology because even if its not planned, its a neat way to connect the two shows together.
I think this difference highlights the unique nature of the Pride Ring. All the other Rings are ruled by a Sin, whose personality is mirrored by the environment. At the same time, each Ring is linked to a specific business sector:
Wrath is agricolture and farming
Gluttony is a tropical paradise and I guess it is big when it comes to food transformation and restaurants
Greed is industry and banks
Lust is a giant red light district and its main activities are linked to the sex industry
Envy is left to be seen; I think it might be about fashion and we know Levy has a social network
Sloth is about pharma, hospitals and drugs
Pride is instead the richest and most varied Ring. At the same time, it lacks political unity because the Sin of Pride is disconnected from his people. It was Lilith who used to rule, while Lucifer shows apathy towards his Kingdom. This is why his influence on the Ring is not as obvious as that of the other Sins. Moreover, Pride is strongly influenced by the individualism and powers of the Overlords. After all, Sinners are special kinds of demons, who exhibit unique powers linked to who they were in life. Not only that, but they can increase this power with time. This is remarkably different from how Hellborns work. In short, I think the details you noticed have two thematic points:
1- Sinners are unique among demons because they express individuality in a way the different races of Hellborns do not do
2- The Morningstars and especially Lucifer are uninvolved in the lives of their people, so they lack the impact the other Sins have on the everyday life of demons
I actually think both points come across indirectly in Helluva Boss too. For example, think about the episode Sinsmas:
The Sinner who goes to I.M.P. has no idea of what Sinsmas is and keeps talking about Christmas. This makes sense, as she is unfamiliar with Hellborn traditions and she is bound to celebrate Christmas, rather than its Hell variant.
The Sinsmas decorations in the episode are about all the different sins, but Pride. I mean, sure, there is some red decoration, but nothing specific. This makes sense because the Pride Demons are Goetias and Sinners, both of whom do not really celebrate. So, ironically the strongest Sin is the least celebrated by the people of Hell, as a result of his apathy.
Another hint of this difference is the use of language:
Sinners come from Earth, so they would use expressions like "Oh My God", while they will very rarely, but ever refer to the Sins as God.
The Hellborns instead use the Sins' names instead of "god" because they were made by the Sins. So, imps use "satan", goetias and the sins themselves say "lucifer", the hellhounds sometimes say "oh my dog" to reference Bee and so on.
In short, I really like the world-building and how it makes clear Pride is kind of its own things because of Lucifer's disinterest, Lilith ruling in his place and the Sinners' influence. It is fun!
I will now use this post to actually add some other details I noticed and wanted to integrate in the original one.
LILITH IN HEAVEN
When considering cellphones and profile pics, it is interesting to consider Lilith has no profile pictures for neither Charlie nor Lucifer:
Moreover, Charlie's profile picture for Lilith is from her mom's official portrait (not sure in-universe if it's a picture or a portrait):
Of course this is done to keep Lilith a mystery, as much as possible. This is also why we have yet to see her full face in the series outside of portraits, statues and pictures.
In Charlie's flashback she has no face:
At the end of season 1 her eyes are covered by sunglasses:
In season 2 we don't see her eyes:
At the same time, these choices emphasize the sense of distance between Lilith and her family. On the one hand she would choose not to have pictures of her loved ones on her phone. On the other hand Charlie chooses a very formal picture of her mom, rather than a more casual one (like the one Lucifer has in his room). I think it says something of Charlie's admiration for her, but also of how she feels Lilith to be distant somehow.
Finally, I really liked the design of the place Lilith is in. I guess it is Eden, since it is a beautiful garden. Anyway, season 2 especially offers us this view:
The trees surrounding Lilith are designed after Seraphims angels. Not only they have halos (like many buildings in Heaven), but their trees and leaves are shaped after the six wings of seraphims. I like this because it really gives you the idea Lilith is somehow surrounded and guarded by seraphims. I wonder how she feels about it :P
Anyway, I actually like the idea of Lucifer being a prisoner in Hell and Lilith being a prisoner in Heaven. Especially if it is somehow a result of their own choices and free wills. It makes Charlie's journey to "redeem", "save" and "free" them much more interesting.
I was thinking about Lilith and Charlie and I have two new thoughts.
1- ABOUT PHONES AND ICONS... AGAIN
As written above, Lilith and Charlie's respective phone icons suggest a sense of coldness and distance.
On the one hand Lilith has no icon for neither Charlie nor Lucifer:
On the other hand Charlie's icon for Lilith is taken from the family portrait:
There are two things that are interesting about this portrait:
-It seems to have been taken in the old Hazbin Hotel. We see the same decorations on the walls and the same lamps; I wonder if we will discover more about the old building and why Charlie chose to turn specifically that house into the Hazbin Hotel.
-It is a very formal portrait. In fact, it is the most formal portrait of the Morningstars and of Lilith specifically. I mean, let's compare it to the pictures in Lucifer's room:
Charlie could have easily chosen one of these two pictures for her icon. After all, Lilith looks much happier here than in the formal family portrait. It may be nothing, but overall it is interesting Charlie chooses the most formal, serious and regal picture of Lilith she has. I think this clearly ties into Charlie's idealization of Lilith and how deep down Charlie does not know her mom as a person.
2- CHARLIE'S CLOTHES
(AS A NOTE, THIS IS A HEADCANON AND I COULD BE AND PROBABLY AM COMPLETELY OFF)
As I have covered in multiple metas, Charlie's style is rather masculine. She usually wears tuxedos
She wears a pajama, which is cute, but still more masculine than Vaggi's night-gown:
Even for Vox's party Charlie's outfit is rather tomboyish:
This tendency has been going on for a while, since she is already wearing a tuxedo when she meets Vaggi, 3 years before the series:
Moreover, this style choice fits with Charlie choosing to be called with a shortened version of her name. She is not Charlotte, but Charlie, which is more gender neutral.
However, younger Charlie looks much more feminine. As shown in the pictures above, she wears either dresses or skirts. Even in the flashback in 1x5 little Charlie wears a cute little dress:
So, I wonder if Charlie used to dress more feminine to look more like Lilith/to impress her. Hence after Lilith disappeared, Charlie started to wear more masculine clothes, that fit her better. If it is so, I wonder if Lilith coming back will result in Charlie wearing more feminine attires for a little while and if this change in style could comment her arc. In general, I think Charlie has a lot of repressed darkness when it comes to her family and to Lilith specifically. After all, the only time she has dressed feminine in the series is in the season 1 finale, where she goes all out:
Who knows? Maybe Charlie chooses this hyper-feminine outfit because she thinks this makes her closer to who her mom would want her to be. If this ends up being similar to the truth, then it would be fun to see Charlie's personal style swing between feminine and masculine to mirror Lilith's impact on her: what she needs to integrate of her mom, what she needs to accept she shares with her dad and what she needs to refuse of both her parents.
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Recently I rewatched the original Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy (if you haven't noticed from my latest posts), and it really holds up: complex and sophisticated plotting, iconic characters with sturdy arcs, and nuanced themes about honor and freedom.
This trilogy did so many things right. It's no surprise it was a huge hit. (Do they even make movies like this anymore?)
While I could go on long about everything that it does right, today I actually want to zoom in on what I consider its weakest element: Davy Jones's Locker.
This is one (1) scene in the whole trilogy, but it's always felt off and just . . . weird to me. To the extent that it sort of taints my memory of the last film (which, revisiting it again, is actually quite well written).
Don't get me wrong--I get it's meant to be weird.
But it's weird in the wrong way.
It's weird in a weak way.
What could have been a major opportunity to add depth and dimension to the series' themes, and to Jack's character . . .
. . . is nothing but a strange, delusional 8-minute experience that actually could be cut without really affecting the story.
And that's the main problem. It's not doing enough.
Yes, it did what it needed to on the plot level: The point of the scene is to show Jack trapped, slipping into madness in Davy Jones's Locker. It does that.
But it doesn't do that in a resonating way.
Really, if that's all it's doing, the filmmakers could cut the scene and simply show the crew arriving at the Locker to interact with a delusional Jack. (Though I don't quite like that idea either.)
Watching this film again, I realized, on a subconscious level, I always look forward to Davy Jones's Locker because it's a fate Jack spent the whole previous installment trying to avoid. And now he's trapped there.
I also think I subconsciously look forward to it, because it's a scene loaded with opportunity--because this is where we see (or could have seen) Jack in his most vulnerable state. It's begging to be used to develop character and explore the themes.
But instead, we get a (basically filler) madness trip--one that's trying to be comedic yet doesn't quite deliver--and some rock crabs that don't carry enough significance beyond helping move the ship (yes, I get they relate to Calypso. . . . They aren't terrible, but . . . )
Not as satisfying.
Let's go over what could have been done differently, and maybe it will help you with your own less-than-satisfying scenes. . . .
The bones of storytelling are character, plot, and theme.
And the best ideas for your scenes, are going to be those that hit on at least two--or preferably all three--of those.
When you understand that, you can produce more meaningful scenes (and stories).
Digging into Character & Theme to Revise the Scene
One of the most important aspects of any main character is his wants. His motives.
If you've followed me for a while, you may know I refer to this as the "abstract want."
The abstract want (or wants) exists behind nearly every major concrete goal the character pursues in the plot. (Or it should.)
Katniss wants to survive and save others. That's why she aims to win the Hunger Games. That's why she volunteers to take Prim's place and risks her life to save Peeta.
Luke wants to become, or be part of, something great. That's why he plans to go to Academy, become a Jedi, rescue Leia, and destroy the Death Star.
To add depth to a character, it's often a great idea to dig into this abstract want: What does it mean to the character? Why does fulfilling it matter? And how come the character has it in the first place?
In Pirates of the Caribbean, Jack's abstract want is to live free, preferably forever (as I wrote about somewhat recently). This is why he wants The Black Pearl back, and to be its captain, in the first installment. This is why he wants to avoid Davy Jones and the Kraken in the second installment. And this is why he wants to replace Davy Jones in the third installment.
Every major concrete plot goal Jack has, ties back to being free (and alive).
And so do many of his minor ones. ("You will always remember this as the day that you almost caught Captain Jack Sparrow.")
Also noteworthy is that in the first installment, it's said that The Black Pearl symbolizes freedom.
So, having a scene where Jack is trapped in Davy Jones's Locker, with The Black Pearl, would have been the perfect opportunity to explore his abstract want more deeply.
Instead of slipping into madness and envisioning copies of himself on The Pearl, it would have been more meaningful to delve into why freedom matters so much to Jack, and even better, why he has that want in the first place.
Often there is a key backstory (referred to as a "ghost" or "wound") that typically explains the origin of the abstract want.
For example, the reason Katniss wants to survive and save others, is because her dad died and that left her family starving; and after Peeta saved her by throwing her burned bread, she determined she was going to be a survivalist and save her own family.
While Jack's backstory of being marooned by his crew (as told in the first installment), relates to losing freedom (he's trapped on an island, without the Pearl), it doesn't explain the origin of his abstract want (since he wanted freedom via The Black Pearl before that). I don't consider that a flaw, but the Locker would have been an amazing time to go further back into Jack's past and reveal why freedom is so important to him to begin with.
The reason he's trapped in the Locker, is because he made a deal with Davy Jones to raise The Black Pearl (and himself) out of the ocean, so he could be its captain for 13 more years.
That's how much freedom means to Jack. He's literally willing to sell his immortal soul (in addition to working 100 years on The Flying Dutchman) to have 13 years of freedom.
That's a big want.
The trilogy does hint at other aspects of his past, like how he refused to deliver people in the slave trade, and that's why Beckett branded him a pirate in the first place. The writers had the right idea in giving Jack this backstory, as it's ripe with the concept of freedom (vs. bondage). But this is mainly left in subtext. Again, not an innate flaw.
But again, wouldn't it have been great if the film had delved more into that while Jack was in the Locker? Maybe his experience with slaves is what led him to value freedom so highly to begin with.
Or, maybe that was one moment in a whole string of moments that defined his desire. Maybe his abstract want has origins even further back. Maybe as a child, he was somehow trapped, and feared he'd somehow become a slave.
Maybe instead of just having a bunch of copies of Jack in the Locker, we should have had Jacks from different parts of his past--maybe different parts of when he felt trapped. Jack who was marooned. Jack who was imprisoned. Jack who was punished for helping the slaves. Jack who was trapped as a boy.
Surely that would drive Captain Jack Sparrow mad.
The scene would have been so much more interesting if Jack had been haunted by his past. And if the Locker was an opportunity to compound the concept of being trapped.
Naturally, one of the main themes of this film is freedom (vs. bondage): Jack wants to get out of the Locker, Will wants to free his dad, Barbossa wants to release Calypso, and Beckett wants to capture (and kill) all pirates.
So this would have made the film feel more thematically resonant as well. But there are other options too.
The main theme of the whole series explores what it means to be honorable (vs. dishonorable). The nuance (and irony) comes from the fact that pirates, like Jack, ultimately end up being the most honorable. Despite all the (selfish) piracy they engage in, when it comes down it, they're more honorable than Beckett and his men.
And the reason Jack ended up in the Locker at this specific point in time, is because he chose to be honorable, rather than dishonorable, at the climax of the previous film.
Jack could have fled to land and saved himself, letting his crew die, as he'd planned.
But when it got down to it, he couldn't--he came back and saved them.
(. . . before Elizabeth--of all people--betrayed him. . . .)
So this moment in the Locker could have also tapped into the theme of honor (vs. dishonor). It could have questioned if honor was worth it, because look at where it got Jack. Being trapped is likely Jack's worst fear, since it's the opposite of his deepest desire.
For the pirates, the concept of honor comes from keeping the code. Later in the film, we learn that Jack's father is the strict keeper of the code--outright killing a man for even suggesting they don't follow it.
The writers could have delved into that--Jack's relationship with his father, who had always been strict in honoring the code, even when Jack was a young boy. "And look, dad, look at where it [honor] got me!" Jack might've yelled, while wasting away in the sand.
Symbolism & Imagery
But let's say, for some reason, the writers didn't want to do any of that. This is an adventure film, and maybe they didn't want to lean into that directly. They could have worked with more symbolism, tying into character and theme that way instead. The Black Pearl symbolizes freedom, and it's trapped in the Locker. Sure, we get a little bit of symbolism with just that--it's a ship stuck on sand, and it's too heavy for Jack to move.
But there could have been more.
We don't need the rock crabs. Or if we do (to show Calypso helping move the ship), they should have been sea turtles instead--ya know, the creatures that were rumored to free Jack off the island in the first place?! Maybe they should have been used to move the ship (and if we wanted to be silly, with ropes of human hair too 😜).
Or, there could have been more imagery related to being bound--other ropes, chains, cuffs, or bars--driving Jack crazy. Maybe he keeps getting stuck, trapped, or bound somehow.
And rather than these things seemingly randomly moving the ship, Jack should have had a thematic epiphany that apparently led to that, or he should have done something that seemingly caused that to happen (even if it's really revealed it's Calypso later).
In his hallucinations, Jack stabs himself in the heart. We get a brief line about that, but it's not very thematic. If it had tied into one of the themes more, that image would have landed better.
We also get some weird stuff with him eating a peanut, laying an egg, and moving closer to a goat. It's meant to be funny, but it's not very meaningful. Interacting with sea turtles would have been much funnier, since it would have been a callback to the first film. And I get the peanut is meant to emphasize the lack of food . . . but it would have been better if instead, the filmmakers emphasized a lack of rum . . . since that's what he had when trapped on the island, and it was a drink that Elizabeth tied to honor vs. dishonor in the first film (i.e. with a little more work, rum could have been made into a thematic symbol).
Heck, I would have settled for imagery related to Elizabeth "haunting" him--since she's the one who betrayed him, by pretending to reward him for being honorable. Or even traumatic flashbacks of Davy Jones, Jack being eaten by the Kraken, or Jack arriving in the Locker.
That would have aroused more sympathy, for me.
Really, this scene could have been used to emphasize Jack and his vulnerability so much better--rendered in a way that made the audience feel something deeply.
Unfortunately, though, it does little in the way of that.
Now, you would think, based on this post, I positively hate this scene--I don't; it's just a huge missed opportunity.
Yeah, it gets its plot job done.
But it misses out on character and theme.
Regardless, though, this is still a great trilogy.
And despite this post, it's easy to forgive it for fumbling one scene.
Nonetheless, I thought this was a good opportunity to illustrate what character and theme can do for a lackluster scene.
Story isn't just about plot. It's also about character and theme.
If you find a scene lacking luster, you might want to try digging there.