Liquor Licence Vol 2
In my last entry titled “liquor licence” I said in the end “I still need to go to Tepic on Monday to change the licence to my name and address but then it’s mine. (Fingers crossed / knock on wood)”
Well... I didn’t have to go to Tepic once more but several times and many other trips in between.
Let me try and remember the whole show.
21/05/21 - signed the sale of the liquor licence at the notary in La Peñita
24/05/21 - went to Tepic
first went to the bank to pay the fee for the change of name
Then went to the government office of Nayarit to receive a receipt for my payment and with that receipt received a document called “no adeudas” - stating that the licence does not have “debts” with the government
With that document I went to the office of “alcoholes” - a government body that is specifically dealing with liquor licence requests. There I initiated the change of the licence to my name
18/06/21 - the process of changing the licence to my name is ready - so I had to go to Tepic once more, pay some more money and receive the licence in my name. 4h driving there - 5min of bureaucracy - 4h driving back
After that I got in touch with a person that the person who helped me purchase the licence recommended.
The next step would be to change the licence to my address. And for that a long list (11 items) of paperwork was needed.
I got in touch with the person and he promised to help me. I prepared all the paperwork needed and he came and picked it all up and said he would do the rest.
29/06/21 - the contact from the “ayuntamiento de Bahia de Banderas” dropped by my house and picked up all the paperwork
05/07/21 - he came back and explained to me that unfortunately my case is more complicated than expected. The reason being, that the licence I purchased was from another municipality - and changing the address to another municipality is more complex AND more costly.
Well how much more is it, I asked. And he said 15.000 pesos. uff. Well I said, since I’m already half way through the process I kinda just have to keep going and pay the extra money. Ok, he said, he will get it done.
12/07/21 - he informed me that the president had signed and that the “tramite” is ready for payment. I asked how I will pay and he said he could come and pick up the money. I said ok, but that I would like to get a receipt. He said I will get a receipt for the 10550 of the tramite but not for the 15.000 pesos.
I hesitated. I said, surely if it is an official tramite I need to get a receipt and that I wouldn’t give him any money without a receipt.
His reaction was that he said that he had explained to me that my case was more complex and that that’s why I needed to pay the extra money but that if I was not comfortable with it anymore he would return my paperwork to me.
He said he would come in the evening and explain and give me my papers.
I was confused. I suddenly felt like he was trying to rip me off. How could it be that I would need to pay so much money for “who knows what”… ? Where does the money go. To who would it go?
I was determined to investigate myself. So I planned to go to the office of the “ayuntamiento de Bahia de banderas” and ask what’s up.
13/07/21 - I made my way to the office to investigate. I arrived and after some time they invited me to the office of the boss. The lady in the office received me with a somewhat annoyed / defensive attitude. She asked what she could do for me and I started explaining the case. All in Spanish. She kept saying that the money (10500) is for the tramite and that the other money would depend on “what kind of deal I have with that person”… I said that I don’t have any deal, that he was just offering to help me but that I never agreed to pay anybody. It was a long back and forth and she first was rather hostile but then eventually I think she understood that I was just sincerely clueless of how things are done. After a while it started dawning on me that the 15.000 pesos were some sort of bribe - but I still didn’t understand to whom…
I left their office and called my contact. I asked him directly “Is the money a “fee” that you are charging me to get this paperwork done?” - he said that no, he does not charge anything or get any money but that the money is for the “gestor”. I said well who is this Gestor and what does he do. He said it’s a guy in Sayulita and that he helps with getting the signature form the president. I asked if I could talk to this person and he said yes he would try and organise that.
15/07/21 - After digesting everything (and calming down) I agreed to meet with my contact so he could explain to me once more what exactly was going on. We met in Sayulita at the gas station and he showed up with the “gestor”.
He explained to me what a Gestor does. He said that what the ayuntamiento office essentially does is some sort of verification that the change of address is legit. Meaning that the new address is for example not within 100m of a church or a school. In the case that it is, and the ayuntamiento refuses to therefore authorise the change of address, the Gestor would go around and look for any bar that IS within 100m of a church or school and present the case to the ayuntamiento forcing them to accept the change based on the fact that there is already a bar in existence breaching that rule. So in short, the Gestor looks for loopholes in the system.
I said that I understood but that this does not apply to me. He said, no, it doesn’t but that my case is a change in municipality and that normally they don’t authorise that because it is essentially like handing out a new licence in the municipality and they don’t do that. So he needs to convince the president to authorise it anyways.
Ok. I got it. But 15000 os a lot of money - can that not be negotiated? Obviously he said no, because he knew I was in a dead end and had no other way than to accept that he would do this for me for whatever fee he wants to charge.
Alright. Alright. Alright. I said ok. I gave him the green light to proceed.
The gestor and my contact assured me that they would only charge me once I have the paper I need in hand. That made me feel better.
24/07/21 - the office of the ayuntamiento contacted me and asked for a few more papers. Some I had already sent them but they wanted another copy. I was lying in bed with fever cause I had gotten the COVID vaccine the day before but managed to gather everything they asked for and sent it to them. They said that my papers would be released within a few days.
26/07/21 - my contact sent me a proof of payment. He said he had paid for the tramite and that the paper I needed would soon be released.
06/08/21 - the tramite had been approved and my contact came by to collect the money and hand me the paper I would need to finalise the whole deal.
I contacted my original contact and asked when I could come to his office to Tepic to finalise the deal. He said that all government offices are closed until 20/08/21 due to COVID restrictions and that he would be in touch once they’re operating again.
Today is the 17th of August. So I’m crossing fingers that I can get this finalised before I leave to Germany on the 2nd of September…












