I am going to try my hand at writing Frankie. I am finally doing it. It is happening. This place is a ghost town, nobody is around anymore, tumbleweeds fucking everywhere, so why not?! On top of that, I've always been unbelievably down on myself about how uncreative I am, though truly nothing in the universe makes brings me more peace and contentment than curling up to read a story and being transported by it. I've always wanted to try my hand at writing beyond the scribblings I've allowed myself, actually dive into creating my own world, but repeatedly discourage myself into inaction. Self-doubt is a bitch and can give you a million reasons to not try, ugh. So, I've thought about it for a couple years, but you know what? Nobody is even here to critique me or give me shit, so I'm going to do it!!!!!!!!!! 😂 And I know you should always do these things for yourself first and foremost, but it does feel strangely like less fandom commotion lowers the stakes so to speak. You really gotta be next level horny and driven by a passion to dissect a character and create a world to stick around here considering the type of shit people get subjected to in fandom.
Okay, now that I've got that crazy shit out of the way, you're the Frankie expert and I'm curious to know your thoughts on canon compliance stuff and TF timeline. I know it's never explicitly stated in the film, but how old do you think Frankie is in the movie's timeline? It seems pretty clearly implied Benny is the youngest, Tom is eldest, other remaining three land somewhere in between. But where does he land in your opinion? I'm thinking early 40s. I know ultimately with fic it does not matter, you can do whatever the fuck you want, but there is a dumb and annoying thing in my brain that feels it needs to either stay compliant to particular "important" canon details because if you manipulate those details, they just do alter the character? If you do choose to manipulate them, that can be very interesting and compelling and it's not like you're not allowed to or something stupid like that, but my brain needs to stay consistent with how that would influence the character? Kind of similar to controversial opinions and feelings people have about Joel and fatherhood and the way that informs the character (e.g., Would a bereaved father or a man who is committed senseless violence actually be into certain kinks? How would that same man feel about an age gap? Without fatherhood, who would he actually be? Who would he be without insurmountable loss?). Interesting questions, I think, although I'm sure many people's response would be like "*crickets*.................... shut up and write the smut dude" hahahaha which... okay, real. BUT I THINK IT WOULD IMPACT THE SMUT EVEN. ANYWAY, DO NOT EVEN ACTUALLY WANT TO GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO ENGAGE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH GOOD FAITH AND THAT IS NOT WHY I CAME HERE lmao. But hopefully it demonstrates what I mean.
Cause I'm messing around with ideas of a younger Frankie somewhere in his 30s, going back and forth on fatherhood. It feels like it switches things up entirely. If canon is Frankie in his early 40s with a toddler, then an AU with Frankie in his 30s with a baby means a future Frankie in his 40s with a kid and like... where is that Frankie in terms of his career? Would it shorten his time in service? Would that Frankie, the one who would go on to be responsible for like a nine- or ten-year-old in his early 40s, actually risk a cocaine offense, even if it is a minor possession charge? Would he agree to go on the mission years later? I don't even know if a self-respecting OFC/insert would be OKAY with that in the least because she'd be making huge concessions to permit something like that and if she were not to know, it would be an enormous betrayal of trust?! You can probably tell how self-doubt is not the only thing that cripples me, and Self-Doubt's bestie, Overthinking. Anyway... no need to sound off on my spiral there, but I do wonder how old you think he is in the film, what your canon is so to speak because ofc there's a lot open to interpretation, and any other thoughts you do have. Because PTMY Frankie is not a dad, and I think that makes a lot of sense. TYBTM Frankie is, and he is a father, so it's much more "canon compliant" so to speak, and it makes a lot of sense! And with the way NLL Frankie is acting, he is one cheeky motherfucker. Unless he's some very critical information that we've yet to find out, it also makes sense that he's not a dad so far. Dad isn't the central issue here, I think it's more so like the various positions one occupies and the position of parenthood for sure alters priorities, or it should at least and if it doesn't them there's a whole other slew of issues. Well, I'd apologize for this essay I'm about to click "Ask" on but I think you can probably imagine how sorry I am that I'm subjecting you to this wall of text lmao. Hope you're having an excellent week Maddie!
Next-level-horny, driven-by-a-passion girlies (gn) are the backbone of most fandoms, if you'll ask me!
WRITE THE FICS!!! OMG NONNIE, that's the best news ever!!! Ever since I've received your ask, it has brought the largest smile on my face every time I've thought about it 🧡🥹🧡 I understand your fears and can relate to them in some measure, and if the fact that trolls have shrunk the fandom to a heap of tumbleweed lifts off some of the anxiety for you, good! But ultimately, you do write for yourself, you give it your best for yourself, and you do not care whether the final product is perfect, perfection is boring and in this case, irrelevant. The point is: DO THE THING. Writing, cross-stitching, singing, etc... Life is short, so fucking short, I spent most of mine trying to smother who I was, or berating myself for imaginary flaws, or truly harmless ones, so let me be your cautionary tale: DO THE THING. Live while you're still alive. Carpe fucking diem. I hope that you're 10k deep in the doc by now! And if you ever doubt yourself, come find me in my DMs, I will cheer you on. DO THE THING!!!
before I get to your Frankie/TF questions, a foreword: you want to write canon compliant? Do it. You don't have to justify yourself. You want to alter the character to the point that they'll become utterly unrecognizable? Do it. You don't have to justify yourself. No one, absolutely no one, has the right to censure you, not even you. You're god in the doc. Enjoy the ride, for once you're (almost entirely) in control of the situation.
As for Frankie's age, I cannot for the life of me remember how I first came to calculate it in TYBTM, which is my most canon-compliant fic, since it picks up right after the TF events. But I decided he was 42. I know I did a ton of research on the American military, and how long you can enroll for, etc., when I set up to write PTMY, and I think I ultimately decided on canon Frankie serving 20 years. Yes, I consider Benny to be the youngest, and Will and Santi to land somewhere in between, closer to Frankie. While I think Tom is the oldest, I don't believe that's relevant. He is the highest-ranking of them, and that's what matters.
You make some very good points about fatherhood defining Frankie. TF is about showing us how five different personalities in five different life circumstances deal with PTSD and civilian life after serving in one of the most, mmh... brutal? demanding? idk, branch of the US military. So Frankie risking a drug offense with one or more kids at home is actually a very efficient narrative way to drive the point home: the military destroys lives, and not only those of the men and women who serve, but their families' too (think about the opening scene and Will's story). I've always thought Frankie might have more than one kid. "I got the new baby now" sort of implies there's a not-new kid already. So write the 9-year-old! Explore younger Frankie! That's one of the most delicious things to write about, the origins of a beloved character! Write the betrayal to the OFC/insert, when he prioritizes his friends and feels guilty about it, but still does it!! That's where your fic is! That hurt! Hers and his!! Frankie is very flawed, and he's entirely self-aware, and that's why he's such a brilliant, endearing, beautifully complex and compelling character. God I love this movie. I love this Man.
Anyway. Sorry, I got carried away! Did I answer your questions? Because it feels like I mostly told you to do whatever feels right and whatever you want to explore. And I have no business telling you what you should or shouldn't do, but pleaaaaaaaase do whatever feels right and whatever you want!!!!
I would like to end by thanking you for calling me a Frankie expert. In all honesty, I don't think I am, or at least I'm not the only one, but that felt really good, and I selfishly decided to take the compliment, for once 😌 And another heartfelt thanks for calling NLL Frankie a cheeky motherfucker! He decidedly is! But he's not a dad, lol.
Don't apologize about the wall of text. I'm giving a wall of answer, and I'm always more than happy to discuss this movie, those men, and our Pilot™. I really hope you write the fic 🧡🧡🧡
May the Force be with you in all your creative endeavors, Nonnie 🧡🌠