Hey do you think Jennette lacks development as a whole and do you think Anastacius should have been included to the manhwa?
Woah, this has been in my ask for 3 years already. I'm very sorry about the late answer to this!
At first i honestly didn't know what i should answer with because honestly, there's a lot of manhwa-only elements in Jennette's character that i actually really like. I like the bond she has with Athy since it feels a lot more tangible than in the novel in my opinion, and she has a lot of hobbies that makes her character feel, well, kinda alive? More so with the release of the side stories last year as they expanded on her love for doll-making and more down-to-earth lifestyle (she lives in a cottage to the side of the main house).
I think my biggest issue with her character in the manhwa is that a lot of her novel characterization which i grew to really like were erased. We don't get a lot of the complicated aspects of her relationships with Athy and Ijekiel, her frustrations and selfishness are almost wiped clean for a more palatable version of her. It's also not helped by the fact that her character in the manhwa stays stagnant for the majority of her screen time, meanwhile novel!Jetty struggles with her emotions, jealousy, possessiveness for Athy that one time. And yes it makes her more frustrating but i actually prefer the gradual shift in her character in the latter half of the novel compared to her staying the same in the manhwa.
And as for her and Anastacius, to be honest i really wasn't sure about Ana's inclusion in the manhwa at the time. After reading the novel and pondering about it more, i guess i do think there are times Ana's character stifled Jennette's character. The way i saw it, Jennette's ending is about letting go of the fantasy she has of the Obelias and learning to navigate real life on her own terms. With Ana i guess my problem with him is that he wasn't a well-developed character in the first place. I distinctly remember a long time ago someone on Instagram saying Jetty is a completely useless character for WMMAP, which is ironic because Jetty a more solid character than the flip-floppy, half-baked Anastacius. He was literally in the manhwa as a psuedo-Aeternitas replacement for the majority of his screen time, and now you want me to believe he turned a new leaf for the sake of his daughter he wasn't even bothered to raise himself? Girl.
Don't get me wrong there's a lot i don't like about Jetty's novel ending (particularly Ijekiel accompanying her despite the fact he won't care about her in a truthful manner), but i like it as a sort of coming-of-age moment for Jetty. Then again.. the manhwa does incorporate these elements in a way, Jetty does has her business in the side stories. I just think within the context of the novel it just worked at least slightly better than in the manhwa. I guess if i want to be honest i would've liked for Jennette to go solo for her own self-discovery in both the novel and manhwa but that's just because i didn't like Anastacius.
Sorry if this is really abrupt btw, i'm not sure how i should conclude my thoughts on this. I'd say in terms of development, hers in the novel is more subtle because she isn't a major character. Meanwhile while she had more screen time in the manhwa there wasn't much change in her character, things just happen to her. This is extremely opinionated so please don't take this as objective fact, i just wished Jetty wasn't quite boring in her presentation in the manhwa heheh. Feel free to argue on this if you want, i actually interested in what others might have to say and whether or not my opinions are unfounded (bc i feel this isn't quite fair to manhwa!Jetty).
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Wait can i drop some headcanons on here about my Lucathy child OC? With an extra side of crossover at the end..? Kay here i go.
Ambrose de Alger Obelia II headcanons
Notes on design:
Appearance-wise Amby doesn’t follow the description Lucas’ novel side story gave her. She’s described as having Athy’s face and Lucas’ hair color (and texture iirc), but the way i drew her makes her resemble Lucas more with the texture of her hair being more wavy like Athy.
Styles her bangs constantly. She loves her dad but those same bangs sometimes cover her face too much and she thinks it’s annoying that she has similar ones. She does however treasure her hair color dearly.
Because she coincides with the early 20th century AU i have going on, her style is inspired from popular fashions from the 1900s to about the early 1920s. RoFans play very loosely with the eras they take inspiration from, since it’s mostly a form of escapism and fantasy.
This influenced me to mostly design Amby with short hair, but tbh even without the 1900s inspiration i think i would’ve drawn her like that either way. I just think it’d be cute (plus Athy in one of the book illustrations at the end of the manhwa has short hair!)
Most of the time i draw her in the same age range Athy is for the majority of the manhwa from the second half of season 1 onwards (14-16).
I also think it’d be funny if she outgrows Athy in height at some point.
Notes on personality:
Called “Amby” for short when she’s around the people she’s closest to.
Ambrose has an outward persona of being regal and lady-like, but in actuality is more wild and reckless than she lets on.
Prides herself with her cleverness and intelligence to the point of being obnoxious. This made many people become concerned that Amby will turn out arrogant and selfish. It’s mostly because she’s incredibly gifted and adept in magic, which made all the praise get into her head. As you can tell, this means she can be a bit unwise.
Ambrose specializes in elemental magic, particularly lighting/storm magic. It’s perfect for her reckless, unpredictable energy and her royal "spark." It's flashy, powerful, demands respect, and fits a lot with someone with a bit of an ego. Amby also masters illusion magic due to a need to balance her dual nature (regal public persona vs. wild child personality) as well as her habit of sneaking out a lot. She also has a signature spell; a burst of blue-purple energy that creates a shower of flower petals (regal & beautiful) that are actually sharp as glass (dangerous & wild).
Has a mana beast that takes the form of a raven-like bird with purple-tipped feathers. She named them "Ebony."
LOVES fashion as an outlet for self-expression. Ambrose is a fan of wearing the colors purple and shades of blue, with a bit of green and red on the side.
Secretly has a sort of imposter syndrome. Its especially apparent when she compares herself to Ambrose I, the founding queen of Obelia, wondering how she can live up to such a legacy as Ambrose II. Athy and Lucas chose her name because they want her to live a full life before she inevitably becomes Ruler of Obelia. But to Amby, it’s a name she has to prove herself worthy of in order to truly be great like her mother and ancestor.
Queen Ambrose was the founding ruler, a nation-builder, and a woman who carved Obelia out of chaos with blood and magic (i also imagine her to be a warrior). By contrast Princess Ambrose is inheriting a peaceful, prosperous empire in an era of typewriters, automobiles, and constitutional pressures. Amby secretly worries that she's a "peacetime princess" who will be forgotten, or worse, that she'll be the one to mess it up because she wasn't forged in fire like her namesake.
Amby has a private ritual where she visits the royal portrait gallery or the tomb of Ambrose I late at night, like a pilgrim seeking a blessing. She talks to the portrait asking for guidance or apologizing for not being "enough." It’s a vulnerable moment that only a few (like Athy & Lucas, who definitely spy on her with magic) know about.
Rather than just feeling weighed down, her drive to earn the name fuels her reckless side. She takes dangerous magical risks or pushes herself too hard in political studies because she's trying to fast-track her way to "greatness." This makes her cleverness a double-edged sword; she's brilliant, but she uses that brilliance to overcompensate.
She sometimes sneaks out and disguises herself as a regular civilian, mostly because the palace can be suffocating. But it’s also to better know her future subjects more personally, although results vary from each interaction; usually people just think she’s a weirdo with a highly posh outlook on life. Ambrose also has a rotation of fake names but mostly sticks to calling herself Rose or Rosie.
As “Rose,” she's not a princess. She's just a weird, overly posh, fashionably-dressed young lady with too many opinions. Some people find her odd, but others find themselves charmed.
One time Amby tries to give "helpful" advice about governance to a struggling merchant. The merchant chuckles softly and rightfully tells her she has no idea what real life is like. It stings because it's true, and these experiences slowly chip away at her arrogance. It teaches her empathy and helps shape her into a better future ruler.
Amby used to be insecure that she’s not blonde like the rest of the Alger Obelias but learns to cherish her uniqueness as it comes from her father (also potential bonding with Jetty with being not-blonde Alger Obelias).
Ambrose keeps a leather-bound journal that is magically locked. Inside, she drafts fashion designs, writes scathing observations about nobles she dislikes, and practices her signature. She's terrified someone will find it.
Her room is a controlled chaos. Beautiful Art Nouveau and early Art Deco furniture, stacks of fashion magazines, magical trinkets floating around, and a giant, ridiculously comfortable armchair where she reads.
Was a huge gremlin as a baby, and pretty much still is as a teenager (See: her relationships).
Notes on relationships:
Momma’s girl to the point of being incredibly clingy. Whenever Athy’s away for political reasons she’d beg to come with her, and when that doesn’t work she’d try to sneak into her luggage anyways and Lucas would have to wrangle her away (disregarding the fact that he, too, would love to do the same). But deep down she really wants to be a crown princess her mom would be proud to have as an heir. Athy makes sure to guide and support her every step of the way, and in turn Amby looks up to Athy a lot in many aspects as a ruler.
Bonds with Lucas a lot especially in learning magic, but sometimes Amby thinks he’s a bit embarrassing with how much he uses magic in place of more convenient ways. Lucas always hears her out whenever she’s having difficulty in her political studies and gives terrible advice. Amby knows this is awful advice, but she secretly loves that her dad treats her like an equal and trusts her to handle things her own way.
Ambrose is the eldest of three siblings, the younger two are twins she nicknamed “Cranky and Crabby.” Their names are Chiara and Cianna respectively, both are girls and Lucas gave birth to them. The trickster twins annoy her to bits and she lovingly bullies them back, but deep down Ambrose is very protective and is willing to die for them. Also want to note that the twins inherit Athy’s hair color and have sectoral heterochromatic jeweled eyes (blue/green like the novel and red).
I imagine that despite being the grandchild that resembles Lucas the most, Ambrose is Claude’s favorite as he deems her the most fun to talk to. She’s not afraid to challenge him but is still pays a lot of respect to him and his work. Plus, the twins are handful to deal with and they make him feel more senile than he actually is. The pair are intellectual sparring partners who always debate over many things.
Loves hanging out with dear Lily and considers her a grandmother figure. This is no disrespect to Diana either, as Amby loves hearing stories of her from Lily and Claude. She learns how to embroider and do household chores like cooking and cleaning from Lily though she struggles to keep up with the older woman’s pace.
Felix and Ambrose are the ultimate duo. He keeps her grounded while she keeps him young (and stressed). He's become her ultimate co-conspirator as she knows he'll never truly tattle on her, so she weaponizes his soft spot shamelessly. Felix is basically a worn-out uncle figure.
Adores Aunt Jetty and her sweets. Sometimes she breaks into Jennette’s house in the middle of the night to steal leftover cookies. It got to the point where Jetty had to “Ambrose-proof” her kitchen because she’s worried the girl’s night-time escapades would become detrimental. At the very least Amby never dares to trample on her flowers (personal experience).
Begs to “babysit” (kidnap) Ijekiel’s future baby to indoctrinate them into her growing society of magic (i like to think that his baby is miraculously gifted with magic in a way Lucas similarly is). Kiel is rightfully concerned that she’s becoming more unhinged by the day. The twins also join in on the fun because it means they have a new tiny henchman. Thankfully Ijekiel doesn’t age like his father from this.
CROSSOVER TIME (Spoilers Ahead)!!
Michael von Nuremberg & Annabella von Neuschwanstein (ASM):
Michael is the son of Shuri von Neuschwanstein/Ighöfer & Nora von Nuremberg, while Annabella is the daughter of Ohara von Heinrich & Elias von Neuschwanstein.
They meet when Ambrose acts as an envoy to the Kaiserrich Empire to strengthen relations after the country cools it with their bullshit views.
With Michael: Amby and Michael bond over being clingy to their parents even as teens (Michael with Nora, Amby with Athy). I imagine Michael keeps his gremlin side from when he was a kid while wearing a reserved mask in public, so it’d be a wonder how the two manage to clock the other’s true colors. He's intensely protective of his family, and like Ambrose, he probably still sneaks into his father’s study just to be near him. Amby finding a kindred spirit in this would be so validating for both of them. They can admit to each other that, yes, they're almost adults, and yes, they still want to sit near their parents when they're having a bad day. They also break into the Kaisserich archives for shits & gigs (Leon with his Streife connections probably helped, though begrudgingly).
With Annabella: She and Annabella gush over the latest fashions. Given the nature of Anna’s parents (well-spoken Ohara and rowdy Elias) i imagine she’s a lot more open and blunt due to having the freedom to express herself more. But with the stifling court of Kaiserrich she’s also under immense pressure to be proper. Amby is a lot more care-free when not racked up with her duties as crown princess, so she inspires Annabella to let loose more often without being scared of loosing restraint (something her parents encourage her to do more often). I imagine that at first Annabella would be extremely shocked at Ambrose’s eclectic style with short hair and midi-length dresses, but after letting down her walls she might commission a dress in deep emerald green with a modern silhouette.
Judith Regulus (VADD):
Judith is the daughter of Penelope Eckhart & Callisto Regulus.
Biiit of a time jump for this but imagine VADD to be loosely victorian so maybe this can work. Grown-up Judy is ambitious and quite strong-willed, traits Ambrose also shares. But the difference lie in the fact that Eorka has a history of conquering (considering Callisto’s backstory), whereas so far Obelia is the capital of magic. And considering Judith is a literal dragon hybrid i feel she’d be interested with honing her magic with Obelian techniques as a starting point (she’s fascinated with the structured incantations and enchantments). Ambrose would be in awe of Judith's draconic abilities like fire breath & shape-shifting, and is more than willing to share more magic knowledge unless, you know, Judy doesn’t do same thing to Obelia that her dad did to Delman... Judith would be painfully aware of this and determined to prove she's more than her father's shadow. Also potential bonding as female heirs! They can look at each other and come to a sense of understanding; everyone expects them to be legends, when they’re just them.
Side note: Years ago i made a CalliPepe OC to pair with Amby back when i called her Attheia, he was named Alastair and they were frenemies turned actual besties (but i also gave Al childhood trauma, iirc i killed Pepe and Calli).
Aria Wynknight (Raeliana):
Aria is the daughter of Raeliana McMillan & Noah Wynknight.
Woah flashback from the past. I don’t recall the manhwa adapting any side stories past the point of when Aria is introduced as a baby, but many people describe her personality being similar to Noah’s so i’m going off of that. Sly girl meets another sly girl and they get along like a house on fire, simultaneously enabling each other but also keeping each other in check (Chamers and Obelia are not ready for these two). Aria has Noah's tendency toward ruthless pragmatism while Ambrose has Lucas's tendency toward "consequences? what consequences?" They both have impulses that could go very wrong. But because they respect each other, they become each other's brakes. They’re also both eldest daughters and bond about it, sharing their struggles with having to be responsible and good role models for their siblings. With Aria it’s her shy younger brother Reno and for Amby it’s the chaotic twins.
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This a veeryy crude representation of the manhwa kids btw, there's a lot of personality that i didn't know how to cover (Michael, for example, is more than just a daddy's boy, he's protective of all his family, is friends with Theobald's son, and has beef with Jeremy). But i wanted to try and find how these characters can connect with Ambrose on a deeper level other than a "Oh their parents are popular manhwa couples they should be friends" kind of way. I hope i succeeded in making these connections feel tangible even if they're just wish fulfillment ദ്ദി(˵ •̀ ᴗ - ˵ ) ✧.
Athanasia de Alger Obelia from Who Made Me a Princess?
Role: Transmigrator
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Kim Huisu (Eun Chaerin) from Surviving Romance (살아남은 로맨스)
Roles: Regressor, Returnee, Transmigrator
Submission:
Not exactly a "willing" regressor: she's stuck reliving the "confession" day of a schlocky school romance novel (which it turns out she's the amnesiac author of) except instead of the confession happening a sudden zombie apocalypse sweeps over the school! Basically she keeps reliving the day after each of her (many deaths) until she eventually decides to give up on forcing the canon happy ending to happen and instead focuses on trying to save her classmates -- all of whom were stereotypical bullies of the "sweet" protagonist -- so she first has to actually reach out to them and earn their trust. Also like, she really only gets her feet under her and starts succeeding when she decides to try to save someone who she has an actual connection with and doesn't just view as (a) a character and (b) a character who is supposed to save *her* helpless damsel of a transmigrated role at that. Like, no, Chaerin is going to be the hero thank you very much, lmao.
Anyways, It's a really beautiful exploration of reaching out for true connection when depressed, and also SO SO sapphic-coded <3. Anyways, Huisu/Chaerin is incredibly clever and tough (we love a manipulative badass queen), but also smart enough to know when to delegate -- ultimately her emotional growth and journey to letting other people in and realization that not only can she not do everything herself, but it's unfairly arrogant to try, is so beautiful. Anyways I love this suicidal disaster of a girl and honestly the sweetness of female friendship as the true power of love is amazing.
Round 1-B: Match 6, Athanasia de Alger Obelia v. Kim Huisu
Athanasia de Alger Obelia from Who Made Me a Princess?
Kim Huisu (Eun Chaerin) from Surviving Romance
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Remaining time: 5 days 20 hours
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Despite not actually caring much about Obelia, Diana became a really good empress and what Obelia needed after the disastrous war between Aevum and Josephine
When writing ( well planning to) her as an empress consort, she’s based her on empress Theodora of the Byzantine empire. Commoner courtesans who rose to become influential empresses of their respective empires despite the struggle they faced from their many political rivals
While nobles are fragile with their favor,discriminating Diana because of her commoner status, her career, and the fact she’s a foreigner. The commoners welcomed her with open arms, they loved her.
Diana used her new found power as empress, took care of the commoners not only as moral obligations from another commoner as herself ( commoners stick together regardless) but as a tool to use against nobles who want to harm her and her children. She helped built safe houses, hospitals, schools, safe orphanages, kept nobility in check, created an advance spy network that monitored every noble house, influenced many political affairs and helped passed out laws ( she told Claude what to do and he does it). Her influence over Obelia made her a force to be reckoned with and a threat
I wouldn’t say she was the best empress Obelia ever had because there’s a handful of good empresses and even better ones. But she is one of the most influential ones who made Obelia into a better place. She was what they needed
Ambrose again! really wanted to draw her again since she's been orbiting in the back of my mind with a good amount of headcanons. particularly, i wanted to draw her interacting with other manhwa ship kids (such as NoShu and EliHara's kids for example) but i haven't drawn them at all so i really need to come up with their own designs heheh.
and apologies for the lack of a proper background for the drawing, i wasn't sure how to lay it out but i didn't want to leave it blank. so i directly pulled from the donghua stills that were released with each episode (courtesy of @ultramarine-spirit for sharing them to tumblr, thank you for your dedication and hard work!).
i'm also challenging myself with drawing in a perspective i've rarely tried, and admittedly i was looking up so much of the Frieren drawing memes since the artists who did them look like they know what they're doing. my attempt at this perspective doesn't look half as accomplished but at the very least it's a first (ᵕ—ᴗ—).
The first time i found out jennette wasn't claude's daughter i thought that was so boring and coward, just an excuse so Claude wouldn't have to love both daughters because manhwa authors have this crazy idea if you have a sister you can't be loved or something.
