#wincher

A hypothetical device or mechanism in neurobiology designed to delicately manipulate and control neural pathways, similar to how a winch system operates by gradually applying force, and how a clutch modulates engagement in mechanical systems.

A theoretical concept referring to the precise control and adjustment of synaptic connections in the brain, aiming to optimize neural network functions for improved cognitive and motor abilities.

Hi John:

Actually those frames are made of very high strength steel and are more than able to handle the bumper and winch.

Regards,

Kyle

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Results from:   TAG Contact Us Submitted By:   Unauthenticated User IP: 50.123.179.5 Name:   John  email:   Phone:   How may we help:        Good morning.  I am right on the cusp of ordering a wincher from you for my 05 Dakota.  I do have a question.  To understand where my question comes from, know that I own ---------Performance here in Jackson.  The front end of the 05 Dakota is two octagonal arms that support the bumper and the front of the body.  3/16 steel and an 10,000lb winch is a good bit more weight than those crush arms were ever meant to see.  Do you add any reinforcement?  Under a diagonal winch load, have you ever experienced the bumper(and frame) being pulled out of shape? Thanks, Joihn

John

Nov 10 (1 day ago)

to Customer

Wow.  A one line response with a general statement that addresses none of my concerns.

Rest assured that you will not receive a $1400 order from me for a bumper, nor will my shop, or techs ever recommend you for anything.

Regards,

John 

Customer Service TAG

4:37 PM (3 hours ago)

to me

I'm sorry if that response was too simplistic for you, answering all your questions in a nut shell. I hope you find me sufficiently verbose in letting you know that we are most happy to not be receiving your order since you are obviously a flaming asshole.

7:37 PM (4 minutes ago)

Normally, under general circumstances, I refuse on principal to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed individual.  However life is such that exceptions must be made.  

Let us start with an elucidated account of my inquiry with references to your answer:

 The 05 Dakota uses two 4" octagonal (that is eight sides) arms to support the bumper.  The arms are 1/8" thick, with 1.5" flat sides.  They are formed by a cold press and a seam weld.  The Dodge factory frame repair manual states that "standard welding procedures should be used when replacing the damaged crush arms".  This means that they are made out of standard mild steel and can be welded with any process that deposits a 60,000 to 70,000 psi filler material.  In short, this means the arms are standard, everyday, normal steel.  They are not high strength steel, as you stated in your reply.  Being octagonal in shape vs. round allows them to bend easier in the directions that are perpendicular to the flat areas.  This aids in crash absorption and impact dispersion by allowing the arms to permanently buckle.  To find out at what point the column will buckle we must first do some very heavy math.  If you are so inclined you can see the base formulas here:

http://user.engineering.uiowa.edu/~design1/StructuralDesignII/CompresionDesign.pdf

  Of course this assumes a perfect case.  I will save you some time.  At as little as 450 lbs, the arm will begin to display steel elasticity in proportion to its design psi, which is 60K-70Kpsi.  At 1700Lbs, permanent deflection begins to be seen.  And at 6200lbs, the arm buckles completely.

Bear in mind that there are two arms on the dakota.  While this allows for some added strength, it also has a drastic effect on total allowable elastic deflection in any single direction.  Where this would come into play in real life would be if the truck is winching any type of load that is not exactly linear to the vehicle.  Which is just about every load in real life.  Lets take a very real world example; a truck stuck in the mud with a tree 50' ahead and 50 degrees off the the right of the centerline of the truck.  Mud, when runny and fully encompassing and object, exerts a very strong suction force.  I.e a  tire that is buried in it.  That force can be extreme.  A 9000lb truck with buried tires will take appx 22,000 lbs to break the suction of the mud.  However, in real life things move, roll and give.  So lets be optimistic shall we.  You will need 5000lbs of straigth line pull to free your 9000lb truck.  Since the anchor point is 50 degrees off to the side, we have a lateral load dynamic equation.  Which works out to 8600lbs of force on the hypothetical center of the bumper.  Why this is important is because the dakota has factory engineered failure points in exactly the same plane of force.  In plain and simple, minimum wage terms: The bumper mounts bend very easily in that direction.

The base point is thus:  You failed to answer my direct question about if you had ever had any frames bent from lateral winch loads.  I can assume either that yes you have and you only want to sell bumpers, or that you have no idea and you only want to sell bumpers, or that you figure that once you have my money, your disclaimer covers you and it doesn't matter what happens because you are a greedy low life who delights in such deceptions.   Your further response of calling me a "flaming asshole" is a poor attempt to rouse my emotion and cloud my judgement enough to deflect the attention from your mental shortcomings.   There is no harm in not knowing something, in fact it is a great opportunity to increase your knowledge.  But to ad-lib with truly false information is as low as a common inbred street thug.  It is also a very stupid thing to do in the age of information with all its searched blogs and comments.