#viper replies

i aM OVERCOME WITH FEELINGS, I LOVE THEM SO MUCH

it’s so funny how i keep thinking these things have got to be fanon and not canon bc like yeah the show is shippy and all but how gay can it possibly, really, truly get?

bUT THEN!!!!! IT KEEPS SURPRISING ME!!!!!! EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!! I CANNOT EVEN ALSGKHJLKHKSKFDHJK!!!!!

like seriously though i came into this fandom already knowing about the ‘i love you’, and you’d think that’s about as gay as it gets, but no! like sure it was a HUGE woahhhh moment, but put the whole show into perspective and like, everything man….. everything.

oh i LOVED IT. 

like, leaving the rest of the movie aside (which i think more people agree on that it’s pretty much amazing), as a creator i just THRIVE with the openness of it all and the messy, complicated potential consequences of time travels. 

I was literally just talking about all this with a friend, how it’s such an amazing sandbox to play in! it’s how fandom keeps creating! it’s an ending that’s not an ending!

Did steve simply grow old with peggy as its implied and let certain things happen cause he really cannot change the way things happened in the past and just walk to that bench when he’s old?

Did his going back automatically create a new reality and did he make tons of changes that we can’t really see because they don’t affect our characters’ reality and then he just used the particles to come back to this reality?

Did he just take one dance with peggy and then rescued that timeline’s steve from the ice, told him about bucky, told him what’s gonna happen, then that steve lives the life our steve always wanted, bonds with tony, helps with NYC, finds sam and bucky when he’s old, gives sam his shield….. and then our steve shows 5 min later, young and with starbucks?

Did he even really marry peggy since he wouldn’t talk about “her” at all? 👀👀

this is how fans keep exploring possibilities and producing content! with open ends and loose threads! i get how the not knowing part is what’s making lots of people sad potatoes, but there’s also a good side to that openness, ya feel?

they knew they had to bench steve somehow because of chris evans’ contract but they chose to gave him closure that wasn’t really closure. they had him choosing this for himself only when he knew bucky was going to be safe. they brought him back to bucky. they left the door open for him to be in the bucky & sam show. they gave us a way to make him young again in this very same movie (like bruce did with scott)!!!!!

to me it didn’t feel at all like them taking the life steve had built for himself away from him, but giving him the possiblity to live BOTH the one he lost and NOW GO BACK TO THIS ONE. they let him have everything!

More scenes, yes, definitely. I’m always going to want that. And like i said there’s tons of valid reasons for not being entirely happy with the ending that go beyond ‘my sTEVE WOULDN’T HAVE LET BUCKY GET TORTURED *WHINES*’ because really we have zero information on that. 

I foolishly wish for an extended cut with some extra scenes and a bit more Bucky, but all in all I’ve just accepted that for marvel and the general public, Bucky’s pretty much a secondary character and unless it’s cap movies, that’s how relevant they’re gonna make him. It sucks, and I hate it, but it’s sadly how it seems to be… *sigh*

I’m definitely seeing it coming mostly from Stucky shippers, but considering I’m pretty much a Stucky blog and that’s the kind of content I see the most, that’s really like saying nothing. I know the general public loved the movie, but they also don’t tend to care about characters’ arc and motivations the way fandom does, and i really haven’t had much access to what other parts of the fandom think about the movie.

I really don’t want to speculate about whether this comes down to shipping or not. It probably plays a part, but there’s definitely valid reasons for not liking the ending. My only real issue is with those arguing that it’s the same timeline and saying things like “steve let bucky get tortured” or “steve knew about 9/11 and let it happen” (christ, don’t get me started on how disgusting that kinda jokes are) because it’s perfectly established in canon that it’s not the same timeline and that there’s nothing Steve could’ve done to change OUR bucky’s past.

Other than that, i’m not gonna try to tell people they need to like this, because it all really comes down to interpretation and to what’s fulfilling or not for you.

For some people, Steve’s choice was him leaving Bucky and everything else he’d built behind to live a quiet life with Peggy, and I can see how that’d feel maybe a bit out of character.

Actually Steve not having altered our Bucky’s past is the one thing we can be 100% sure of. Steve couldn’t have helped our Bucky in any way because time is linear for each individual - as in, one person can travel to a different point in the general flow of time, but for them, their past will still be their past.

The best way to explain this would be Nebula: if altering a character’s past had direct effects on their present versions, when Nebula killed the past version of herself, she herself would’ve died, but she didn’t. 

WE CAN AND MUST TAKE ALL THE MOMENTS TO APPRECIATE THIS

marvel’s warning us…

I super feel you on this, but if it makes you feel any better (spoilers ahead, mind you!), i think they actually made the whole thing a bit better when they had him gather himself together by the end of the movie (and i did appreciate the acknowledgment of his trauma and how he seeked his mom’s advice <3), cause they didn’t have him instantly getting fit again through magic or anything of the sort.

he owns it and he kills it in that final battle (pretty much like in IW), and he honestly looks good once he’s spruced up a bit and with his hair braided and all.