I'm disgusted by how that crazy Gina claims Zoe and Jeff are having fucking when she has no proof, or rather, her proof must be the voices in her head. They should ban that woman from the internet because the things she makes up make no sense, and the worst part is her stupid followers who believe her.
Tumblr should delete her blog for making libellous claims, as they did @tellmethisisnotlove.
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As most of you know by now, I vehemently hate Gina. She defended her child groomer friend tvshows-addict back in 2017, that event was brought to my attention a few weeks ago, and I spoke about it on my blog. Most of her friends blocked me at that point, and the only reason Gina hadn't is because I blocked her first. But the fact that she defended a child groomer and aided in silencing the victim isn't actually the focus of this post at all.
The focus of this post is the fact that Gina has recently began pushing the morally, medically, scientifically false narrative that being a fan of Louis is the same as being in an abusive relationship dynamic. I have sources to prove her wrong, but common sense also does the trick for those of us who aren't preoccupied with sucking her dick.
Here is her post, the one that prompted my dm, and the one that's been prompting the Gina-related anons I've been recieving lately:
Let's break it down, shall we? Firstly, here is the tweet everyone is losing their goddamn minds over:
Fact: He refers to twitter as a "weird place." He says twitter feels "extra toxic these days."
Fact: Neither of those statements are directed at any particular twitter user, fandom, side of the fandom, or person in general. They are directed at an app on the whole.
Twitter is toxic. It's literally owned by a nazi. Louis is not saying anything that is untrue. In fact, he's putting it very mildly. And I could argue about why I personally don't believe he wrote that tweet, but let's just assume for the sake of discussion that he did. It's not a violent tweet, it isn't calling for violence, it's not derogatory towards any of his fans, and it reads as an offhand observation of how twitter tends to feel more than anything.
If anyone else on the planet earth had made that tweet, even one of the other boys, this overreaction would not be happening.
Now, into Gina's post.
Her anon starts off by stating that twitter is a toxic cesspool, a statement that completely agrees with what Louis' tweet said. So they're in agreement, right? There shouldn't be an issue? Oh, but with Louis haters, there's always an issue.
The anon goes on to say that they believe Louis was tweeting about some sect of his fans because of his instagram post. The instagram post being referenced is his Costa Rica studio pics, the ones captioned "Pura Vida." Nothing to do with twitter, or fans, or toxicity. Just an LT3 update.
"For a while now, his MO seems to be punches followed quickly by soothing pats." Since when? Evidence? Louis has done nothing recently but appear in fan selfies in Costa Rica, tweet hints about his upcoming album, and do whatever contractually obligated stunt bullshit he has to do with Zara. Maybe the anon is an idiot, and is referring to the stunt? That would make sense considering Gina has been pushing the false narrative that Louis is stunting for shits and giggles. If you want my deep dive thoughts on that, check my Mcdumblinson tag, or maybe my Louis Closet tag. Stunting and closeting is not a choice.
"A tongue-lashing on twitter followed by a photo dump." The 'tongue-lashing' being... him saying twitter feels weird lately and more toxic than usual. If that's a 'tongue-lashing' to you, then you've lived a VERY happy life. Hell, even if the anon is referring to some other time when Louis followed a tweet spree with insta photos, in what world is that abusive? Even if the tweets were less-than-positive. The plot has been severely lost.
"or a night out at the bar snapping photos with fans coming on the heels of a fan blocking spree." Louis is allowed to block whoever he wants to on social media, for any reason. You have no idea why he may block someone, even someone who is a fan of his. There are plenty of assholes in this fandom who I have blocked, is that abuse too? Again, these examples the anon is giving to define why they're saying Louis is behaving abusively are factually not abusive. Blocking someone on social media is not abuse, it's a self-curation method that quite literally every single person and every single celebrity on the planet who has a social will utilize at some point.
"It's not dissimilar to the patterns of behavior abusers engage in." Wanna try that one again? Because you are factually incorrect. You are wrong. That is not my opinion, that is a fact. Louis is not your personal friend or relative, he is not personally attacking you in any way. Tweeting about how twitter sucks? Everyone agrees with that, even the anon agrees with that, so why and HOW would that be abusive behavior? Posting studio pics? He's a musician, what are you expecting? Blocking people? Literally a form of self-care and only POTENTIALLY considered emotional abuse if you are someone's personal friend or partner and they are using blocking and unblocking as a guilt tripping technique. Louis blocking random people who he doesn't want to interact with is not that potential case, by any stretch. Familiarize yourself with the false equivalence fallacy, perhaps?
And now onto Gina's response to the anon. Firstly, she agrees with them. Secondly;
"That pattern of behavior goes back to the 1D days, actually. We were always braced for the backlash every time we got something good." This, my friends, is intentionally vague. You know WHY fans in the 1D days were always braced for backlash when something good happened? Because management was even worse than it is now for Harry and Louis, and anytime they tried to be truthful with us or show their love, MANAGEMENT was who dished out backlash to try and discourage and dismantle the Larrie fandom. It wasn't Louis engaging in some intentional cycle- it was Louis and Harry trying to be themselves, and management punishing them AND us alike for it. Do not misattribute the actions of a scummy company to Louis just because it serves your anti-Louis narrative, Gina.
"And you're spot on with it being abusive. And triggering." Nope, you are flat-out wrong. Again, not my opinion, this is a fact. Louis' posts on social media have never violated TOS or incited violence against another person. He is not abusing you, a fan, by saying he feels like twitter is toxic lately. He is not abusing you, a fan, by blocking accounts he dislikes. He is not abusing you. You are not anywhere near close enough to him personally to BE abused by him. The anon's argument relies on the false attribution of irrelevant facts.
As for triggering- if Louis triggers you by simply existing online and saying something negative about a social media app, that is a you problem. Triggers are YOUR responsibility to identify and accommodate yourself for. You cannot expect Louis to change how he tweets because it personally upsets you. He doesn't know you, dude. You don't know him. Gina, you are 57 years old, you are plenty old enough to understand this concept and yet you are intentionally obtuse about it to serve your narrative.
Now that I'm done with Gina's post, let's get into our dms. I've had Gina blocked since around the time I was notified of the defending a child groomer shit, but I unblocked her because my anons had tipped me off about the disgusting things she was saying about Louis being "abusive."
I didn't beat around the bush. I made it clear that, while I don't like her regardless and she knows that, I found this important enough to make reaching out privately worth it. Initially, I didn't intend to share our dms. But after her reply, I really don't fucking care. Let's get into that reply, shall we?
To start, I'm briefly going to address what she said about the grooming mess. This has been talked about ad nauseum at this point, and it's not the focus of this post, so I'll keep it brief.
"You couldnât be bothered to do a little detective work to verify whether a horrific accusation was true or false" I did, actually. I read the old posts. I dug up the old posts on YOUR blog, Gina. From the horse's mouth. The fact you are trying to paint me as not having done my due diligence is manipulative from the jump, and we aren't even at the part where you called Louis abusive.
The fact she's even bringing this up when I made it clear that my dm wasn't about that situation is a tactic to distract me- and whoever I show these dms to- from the POINT of this interaction. She's throwing confetti 5 feet to the left in hopes we'll all look over there instead of at the issue at hand. This is the red herring fallacy.
Then her ramble about the victim supposedly lying (evidence?) is a clear example of attempting to poison the well. If she can start off making me sound less credible by bringing up an entirely separate debate and say some nonsense about the victim in that case lying, she can make her actual rebuttal to the "Louis is abusive" debate sound more credible by default.
"You just decided to believe it and to build up a federal case against someone whoâs literally done nothing to you, nor to anyone else" This part just pisses me off. Federal case? Who do you think I am, the god damn FBI? I called you out on tumblr, grow up and take accountability maybe instead of acting like I sent a SWAT team to your blog. Anyway, moving on.
"Now, you come here and tell me that you and your âclose friends and mutualsâ know what abuse is and because you donât agree with my take, I am therefore doing something hurtful" So right off the bat she's putting my 'close friends and mutuals' in quotation marks to make it sound like mine and the people I know's experiences of abuse are less valid. She's also initializing me a great deal based on age- I'm 19, she's 57. Not a single genuine argument from her to be seen yet.
But the fact is, I do know what abuse is. I've not only experienced abuse, I've studied it. For years. And Louis tweeting and posting to instagram like a normal guy who makes music? Not abuse. Abuse, believe it or not, has a DEFINITION. What is and is not abuse can have some subjectivity to it, but in broad terms it does have to meet certain markers to be considered abuse at all. In this case, the only abuse that could even hypothetically be commited is psychological (commonly known as emotional) abuse, so here's the actual defintion:
A celebrity tweeting something you don't like, and then promoting his music? Not abuse.
A parent telling their child that they're worthless and then giving them a hug? Absolutely abuse.
What Louis has posted online cannot possibly be stretched to fit the definition of abuse. Flat out. That is not how this works. He tweeted about twitter feeling toxic and then promoted his music. That's not abuse. That's him being some guy on the internet and posting pretty normal things. I posted TODAY about twitter being a horrible website and then continued business as usual, akin to how Louis did. Is that abuse? Was I abusing all of you by saying I dislike a social media app, and then DARING to post something positive afterwards on my sideblog?
"Iâd like to remind you that you donât know me. You donât know my story. You donât know what Iâve been through." Appeal to emotion, nobody cares about your story. Louis is a public figure, not your close personal friend who hurt you. Everyone can see his tweets and insta posts, everyone hears what he says publicly, and none of it constitutes abuse. Not towards you, and frankly not towards anyone. Your personal history is irrelevant, it's another attempt to distract from the point while also appealing to my empathy.
And before anyone says it- yes, I also brought up my abuse history. In an entirely differnet context. The purpose for me bringing up that I have been abused was to explain why I'm personally upset with Gina's misportrayal of what abuse is. Gina's purpose of bringing up her potential abuse history was to validate her calling Louis abusive for publicly verifiable, factually non-abusive behaviors. Different contexts, different purposes behind a similar talking point.
"I am a lot older than you are, and I have had more than my fair share of experiences. Please donât come into my DMs and tell me that your interpretation of abuse is the only valid one." You are older, but that does not mean you are smarter, nor does it mean you are correct by default. Your age is irrelevant and you only bring it up to sound like an authority over me, which you are not.
It's not "my interpretation of abuse." It's a fact that Louis is not abusing you, you fucking unlit candle. Abuse has a medical and factual definition, and Louis' tweet and fucking instagram post do not fit that definition. Asserting that the definition of what is and is not abuse if simply 'my interpretation' is a VERY intentional attempt to discredit my words, as well as treating me like I'm stupid.
"I am entitled to feel how I feel. If you donât like my takes, no one is forcing you to come to my blog and see what Iâm saying." Feel however you want, it's still factually not true to assert that Louis is being abusive towards you or fans at large. The matter I dmed you about is not one of feelings or opinions, it is one of facts. You are treating it like a matter of feelings and opinions because that serves you, it makes it easier to discredit and disregard what I am saying without you needing to craft and ACTUAL rebuttal.
"Iâm sorry you donât like me. I canât do anything about that. But assuming everything you read online to be truth is dangerous." I never asked you to change whether or not I like you. I dmed you because you are asserting a provable lie and it's disgusting. I read YOUR post. Posted today. But again, she's trying to tie it back into the grooming debacle and her narrative on that, which is again distracting from the main point and a lazy attempt at discrediting me with irrelevant arguments.
Gina is a highly manipulative person and she's had a long time to perfect her skills. She, unfortunately for her, falls victim to her ego though. She assumed that I would be easy to manipulate, distract, appeal to my pity, because I'm only 19. Because she's older and has been in the fandom longer. Well, unfortunately for her, I spent the first 18 years of my life learning how to identify manipulation on the fly from my own mother. I clocked her tactics immediately. I cited my sources. I hope she shuts the fuck up about Louis, since she clearly doesn't fucking like him, and all she's doing is actively encouraging the fandom to treat him worse with her bullshit "he's abusing us!" narrative.
the way louis is starting to get the same treatment liam did is genuinely heartbreaking. and no, liam wasnât perfectânone of them are, thatâs the point. theyâre human. theyâve grown up under a microscope, made mistakes, said the wrong things, and sometimes didnât handle things the way we hopedâbut that doesnât mean they stop deserving love. if anything, thatâs when they need it most. thatâs what made this fandom special onceâwe knew how to love our boys through the chaos. some people have forgotten that.
and look, i get the instinct to want to protect the legacy of someone whoâs passed, to speak gently and respectfully about them. but if you can find it in your heart to love liam now, then you should be able to give louis that same grace while heâs still here to feel it. we donât know what goes on in their lives. we donât know what theyâre carrying, or how close they might be to the edge. and the last thing we should be doing is helping to push them there.
OKAY SO, last year i started compiling quotes from fics that i rly liked & my intention was to start doing a weekly '5 fav quotes from fics' series at the beginning of this year. & then school/work started beating my ass, so that didn't happen lol. but i just finished summer school & have a month-ish before fall semester starts & i'm off work for a week, so i'm finally doing it!!! i think i'm gonna do a post every monday and see how that goes ?? anyway, i hope this makes someone laugh or smile !! :)
âYouâve seen my box of vibrators, Louis! They have knots for a reason! I want you to knot me!â He canât possibly be more clear than this. -- @allwaswell16
2. âNiall,â says Harry. âIf you donât stop bouncing your leg I will dislocate it for you.â -- @londonfoginacup
3. If you have to kiss a pretty boy, you have to, pre-planned game night or not. -- @gaycousinlarry
4. Meanwhile, Harryâs half-hard in his jeans from all the cock talk and whatever the fuck Louis is doing with that cherry. -- @crinkle-eyed-boo
5. âPlease,â Louis scoffed, curling up on his side to face Harry. âYou said my eyes are cerulean. Itâll happen again.â -- @1diamondinthesun
6. It was winter. Louis hated winter. Winter meant snow and ice and all things cold and wintery. Louis despised all things cold and wintery. -- @2tiedships2
7. Louisâ body was great. Â Firm in all the right places yet still soft and inviting. Â Harry wanted to bite his stomach. -- @jaerie
8. Instantly heâs on his feet, cleaning things that are already clean, putting on shoes because he doesnât want Louis to see his bare feet, and taking them off again when he realizes what heâs doing. -- @kingsofeverything
9. But he could be good. Louis wanted him to be. And so he did. He mingled. He chatted. He hoped Louis was watching him be a good boy. -- @twopoppies
10. âHarry you have been working here for three years and you come in ten minutes early every day. Iâm not going to fire you for showing up late one time.â -- @ireallysawanangel
genuine question, why do you all seem to hate Gina? she's such a big part of the larry fandom. i love your blog and those around you but i can't understand why things are divided.
Hello,
Not sure exactly what sparked this, as I have never posted about this situation before. I suppose it is time, though.
This was all brought to my attention by @obviously-im-a-boyo who was some detailed posts about this all: here and here.
The basics of the situation are that Gina (twopoppies), who is a large Larrie blogger and creator, was accused of knowingly supporting her friend (tvshows-addict) who was sexually abusing a minor: read this if interested. I believe that the rest of the blogs mentioned in the post are inactive. Obviously, this situation is awful and I am if the opinion that had Gina known about it, she had responsibility to take some form of action.
Gina also has also been known to push false and harmful narratives regarding Larry. She's claimed that Louis was "abusing" his fans as well as that Harry and Louis choose/enjoy being closeted. The usage of the term "abuse" when referring to Louis and fans minimizes the impact that abusive situations have on victims. Additionally, claiming that Harry and Louis want to hide who they are disregards the self-hatred and mental health impacts that are common among those in the closet.
Something l have not seen discussed quite as much, however I consider toxic, is that Gina has created a culture of blame in this fandom. When confronted or questioned, I have noticedâand this is just my observationsâthat Gina does not take accountability or place responsibility where it should lie. She instead skews the story to fit her manipulated ideas.
Anon, I agree. The fandom is divided and I hate to see it, however, I would rather be divided than support a promoter of toxicity, such as Gina.
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Gina is getting VERY exasperated with the Louis fandom but what does she expect when Louis presents as straight, says he's straight, and calls Larries out for believing he's gay?
I've followed you, Gina and Allie for a really long time and you have brought me so much happiness. I always love seeing you guys on my feed, just wanted you to know how important you are đ€
@twopoppies and @skepticalarrie SEEEEE?! People love & miss you! đđđ
Hi Gina đ I'd like to recommend a fic, by an orphaned account, called the hunger in my heart. It's a lovely little story about Harry and Lou
Here's gross Gina, the mod of @twopoppies, starting off 2024 by recommending explicit fiction featuring pedophilia. This monstrous woman gets her kicks from fantasising about a 16 year old child having sex.