Have you ever read a gen fluffy fic of the batfam and when you look through the author's other works you only find batcest? Because it has happened to me too many times Ćāā®Ć
it is akin to finding a puppy and being so excited because duh, it's a puppy! and then finding out that puppy has committed war crimes and has a gun pointed at you and was never a puppy at all, but instead a brain eating alien that disguised itself as something you could trust
being apart of this fandom means i have to be under constant vigilance otherwise i get pissed the fuck off
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Second pic is the mirror selfie Jason texts Damian, telling him to come over. Other 2 are, well, pound town. Shorts are pushed up & Damianās rimming him
On the topic of horny Jason fans, I have a rec! āto have and to heelā by thescrewtapedemos on AO3. It does have guilty, self-hating Jason, but idk if this will appeal to you if youāre particular about your Jason depictions and pairings. Regardless it seems like perhaps your audience would enjoy it
worded so diplomatically LMAO
But yeah judging by how popular those Jasons got, someone's bound to enjoy it! Have at it
i totally get where the "tim and cass are twins" thing comes from because even though i know she's older i'll be reading the comics where they're the same height and run in the same social circles and tim has a crush on her and then someone will casually mention that he's 15 at the same time she's established as being 18 and i'm like woah woah back it up what?
The reasons why Iām not into brudick arenāt that I think itās like evil or icky or that I donāt see it, Its just genuinely more interesting if they donāt have the incest explanation for why theyāre Like That. Like the idea that the a familial dynamic can still be deeply deeply complex and close and meaningful and codependent and toxic without the romantic or sexual aspect. I probably think that cus Iām aro and maybe demisexual lol. The other thing is that I like batman, even though he is a deeply flawed complicated and fucked up man, I prefer him to have an ultimately Good core. And the brudick angle is just a little Too evil for me personally
Idk I honestly prefer them without that element to the relationship because it makes Bruceās behavior unequivocally evil imo, tho obviously dickie would never see it that way lmao, I guess I just think the moral gray area is more interesting, for the toxic elements of the relationship to be debatable, with dick being pretty sure certain parts of his childhood were wrong but we canāt actually be Totally Sure, because their dynamic is totally unique and itās all a gray area!
Idk what Iām trying to say is while Iām generally not usually a big batcest fan I donāt rlly have an issue and I think itās interesting, I donāt want u to mistake me for a Wayne family values fan lol
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What is batcest? Iāve seen that term thrown around and Iām not sure what it means
Oof ok putting a read more as this might be triggering
Ok so batcest refers to the incestual (and often pedophilic) relationship (and itās shippers) between members of Bruceās family *to clarify Iām saying Bruce as whilst Steph and Babs are ābatkidsā they are not his children and relationships w them while not always good are not incestuous-batcest does not just mean a ābadā ship it specifically means an incestuous one
Ships that are batcest : in any combination
Bruce x Dick/Jason/Cass/Tim/Damian/Duke/Helena (Wayne)/Alfred
Dick x Bruce/Jason/Cass/Tim/Damian/Duke/Helena Wayne/Alfred
Jason x Bruce/Dick/Cass/Tim/Damian/Duke/Helena Wayne/Alfred
Tim x Bruce/Dick/Jason/Cass/Damian/Duke/Helena Wayne/Alfred
Cass x Bruce/Dick/Jason/Cass/Tim/Damian/Duke/Helena Wayne/Alfred
Damian x Bruce/Dick/Jason/Cass/Tim//Duke/Helena Wayne/Alfred/MARāI
Duke x Bruce/Dick/Jason/Cass/Tim/Damian/Helena Wayne/Alfred
Helena x Bruce/Dick/Jason/Cass/Tim/Damian/Duke/Alfred
Alfred x Bruce/Dick/Jason/Cass/Tim/Damian/Duke/Helena Wayne/his daughter Iām blanking on
Babs is not one of Bruceās kids and thus her ships as a general rule are not batcest however Cass is her daughter (sheās also Bruceās no one is denying that) so shipping them would be incestuous and thus under the batcest umbrella
Ships that are not batcest but still bad vibes :
Bruce x Babs itās not batcest heās not her dad it being a bad ship doesnāt make it incest-also this ship has complicated comic history as tbh sheās closer to Bruceās age than Dicks half the time-she was originally written as his love interest
Babs x Tim/or Jason yes itās weird-yes itās pedophilic no itās not batcest theyāre not related yes itās still a bad ship
Harley Quinn x Dick yes itās creepy no itās not incest *will say the batkids w Selina/Talia I consider to be under the batcest umbrella as they both are fundamentally their step moms/the actual mother of one of their brothers-itās close enough š
As a general rule any weird age gap ships between non related bat characters whilst yes weird are not automatically batcest Iām clarifying because Iāve seen it used about a Bruce x Babs art (pre52 ect) and whilst you may have your opinions on the ship I wouldnāt consider it a batcest one ect
Ships that are often mistakenly referred to as batcest by ship āantisā (I hate that word I donāt know a different word to use here) but again are not batcest as they are not incestuous-Bruce can be a mentor w/o characters being siblings :
As Iāve already said almost (Cass excluded) every Babs ship as again sheās not Bruceās daughter nor is she any of their sister even if she views Tim/Jason/ect in a sibling manner that doesnāt make Dick x Babs incest-I donāt even like Dick x Babs but calling it that is an incredibly stupid argument
Steph x any of the batkids : while some are worse than others itās not incest and for the love of god pls stop calling Cass her sister sheās not StephCass even if you donāt ship it is not an incestual ship š nor is TimSteph
Helena BERTINELLI x Dick people need to stop mixing her up with Helena Wayne. Yes Helena Wayne is his sister-Helena Bertninelli is not. Pls learn to tell the huntresses apart before you say people are shipping incest for shipping them (real things Iāve seen š)
Any of the fox kids again just because youāre loosely connected through the batfam does not make you related š Tim and Tam and Luke & Babs are fine. My god
Harper x Cass or Steph again theyāre not related
Hope this clarifies it a bit. In summary it means incestual ship however some people use it a bit loosely just at that side of the fandom which while fair tbh is confusing when youāre not used to it. Hope I explained well enough feel free to ask any questions ect
Yeah so about Inheritance is that is about low key shipping Bruce and Dick and also Ollie and Dick?
I myself take Devin headcanons about Dick's sexuality with a grain of salt because I'm uncomfortable with how she seems to imply that Dick is sexually attracted to Bruce
(many writers do that too btw
Yeah, and it's fair to draw your boundary there, but it doesn't erase Dick's queercoding by her out of existance. Was it done in a problematic way that implied that? Also yes. Is Devin Grayson also is a survivor of sexual assault and that's important to understanding the reason she wrote what she did? Also yes. It's a messy situation š¤·āāļø i can't tell you what to feel about it, all i can say is there was intentional queercoding being done there (and to a lesser extent in Dick's solo) and you're free to ignore it, it's just a footnote in the character bibliography that pretty much all current DC writers ignore completely. The only reason i brought it up, was because a previous anon stated that Dick hasn't been queercoded, and technically no, that's not true. He has, just not the clean way most people would like it
I was so happy finally having an Arab woman writing talia why does this always happen I hate comic writers so much.
edit: I reedited the top text because I do not think it makes sense and I wanted to make my point clearer and also I hope you eat crap if you are attacking Nadia's Palestinians identity.
