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Perbandingan Thinker vs Feeler
Berikut pandangan para pakar psikologi tentang dikotomi Thinker vs. Feeler — dari fondasi Jung hingga kritik ilmiah terkini. 🧪 Apa Kata Para Psikolog? 1. Akar Teori: Carl Jung Konsep Thinker–Feeler berasal dari Carl Jung (1921). Jung tidak melihat preferensi tipe kepribadian sebagai dualistik, melainkan sebagai kecenderungan — keduanya bersifat bawaan dan berpotensi untuk menyeimbangkan satu…
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What's the diference between Te vs Ti logic and reasoning?
Te: if this won't work in the real world through application, it's not logic, and I will exchange it for logic that will work in the real world.
Ti: if this is not internally consistent with itself and built up of an argument that makes sense, it is irrational and needs refinement.
Extraverted thinkers are not attached to their logic in the sense that if an argument is disproven or won’t work in the real world, they won’t hold on to it, because it would be more objectively logical to discard it for something that will work in the real world or a better argument. Introverted thinking has more of an internal investment, so if it won’t work and/or is logically inconsistent or proven wrong, they become a stickler for internal refinement, rather than abandon it altogether; they will try to shave it and reshape it and make it achieve logical “purity.”
In some sense, Te looks at a boat and thinks “boat. If it functions, it serves its purpose and is useful to me.” Ti looks at a boat and thinks about how it is constructed, the internal beauty of its engine, and how to fix it if it doesn’t work.
That was such a helpful answer thank you!! I find it super hard to "live in the moment" often & love to plan for the future, so ESTP feels impossible. Now that I think about it, I only really love Se things when I am in need of a boost/feeling stressed out... // In a similar vein, is it more common for a feeler to think they're a thinker or for a thinker to think they are a feeler?
I encounter more feelers who think they're thinkers than the other way around, because they confuse ethics and values with independent logic. Ethics and values can be logical, but they are not Jungian logic by a thinker's standards (objective reasoning).
Thinkers are usually aware of being detached and not great with other people's feelings, and know that they struggle to ignore inconsistencies in favor of "but it would hurt their feelings to mention this."
For example, a thinker might think EFJs are soooo irrational; but are they? When they know how to get people on their side and appeal to them on an emotional level in order to accomplish something... is that not its own form of logic?
Something like "I don't think we should eat buffalo because they spent thousands of years as food and now deserve a break" is irrational reasoning from a Te/Ti perspective, but a Feeler might still feel that way. And it's that kind of reasoning that thinkers struggle to grapple with, because their understanding is "what makes sense / works" rather than an intuitive grasp of how humans are all fairly irrational when it comes to their feelings, and that's just how things are. Feelers get that other people are going to be emotionally driven and expect it. (Which, funnily enough, is more logical than thinkers expecting everyone to be rational and being frustrated when they are not. Ha, ha.)
I've read an article where it was said that Te users want to impact the outside world, while Ti users want to understand it, is that true? I see Te described as wanting accomplishment and external organization, while Ti wants understanding and internal organization of ideas, would you say this is a good differentiation?
Yeah, that's a fair assessment.
TJs shape reality by capitalism mostly, and then taking what money they earn and giving it back to humanity or a personal cause (ideally, obviously there are a lot of selfish SEOs). Ti shapes reality through innovative thinking and unusual approaches, which push technology further, and then have a desire to contribute to the general welfare of the world (ideally, obviously not always the case).
One difference is that they see success through different metrics; for a Te user, success is... units sold, awards won, achievements that you can track in some way. To a Fe user, success is "people like this," "it has made a difference," it has become popular, people agree it is good, etc. Even in TP types, success is still popularity / acceptance / external people impacted by the thing in a positive way.
For example, James Cameron (ENTJ 3w4/136 IMO). When people criticize the writing of Avatar, he says it's good enough to earn a billion dollars. Money = value in his mind. Not "it emotionally affected people and they liked it" (Fe) but "I earned more money with it than you will ever see in your lifetime." Interesting, eh? People can't really argue with that, since it proves his case -- it was good enough to make bank.
And yet, the writing is still pretty subpar. But does that even matter, when it rakes in several billion dollars? In Hollywood? No.
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What's the difference between low Fi vs low Fe?
Fi: This is my truth and what matters to me.
Fe: This is a universal human truth that is best for us all.
No matter what place in the stacking, Fi is still MY VALUES and Fe is still OUR VALUES. Fi is still "I care about this, ergo it is important," and Fe is still "this affects or inspires us all, ergo it is important."
Inferior Fi - "I am having all these feelings right now and I hate it."
Inferior Fe - "Everyone has so many expectations of me, and I hate it."
Inferior Fi won't live up to anyone's standards but its own (Te); inferior Fe is aware of others being affected by them and feels hemmed in by it.
Also, there is no Fi without visible Te, and no low Fe without visible Ti. Don't isolate the functions; ask what each of them is doing in connection with one another and look at someone's ENTIRE behavior rather than trying to isolate their functions. IE, ETJs are powerhouses of organizing themselves / others for achievement. ITPs are excellent at figuring out a system from the inside out to hack and improve it.
oh, i have gotten to the age where it is clear as to how people set the damn house on fire cause they fell asleep with a cigarette in hand
