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I like antinous' determination to secure the throne, good for him /silly

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I had a thought one day
I like antinous' determination to secure the throne, good for him /silly

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Achilles is trans,
Patroclus is trans
Agamemnon is trans
Menelaus is trans
Odysseus is trans
Diomedes is trans
Hector is trans
Paris is trans
Cassandra is trans
Helen is trans
Penelope is trans
Andromache is trans
Idomeneus is trans
Greater Ajax is trans
Lesser Ajax is trans
Hecuba is trans
Priam is trans
Aeneas is trans
Memnon is trans
Machaon is trans
Palamedes is trans
penthesilea is trans
Teucer is trans
Clytemnestra is trans
Orestes is trans
Electra is trans
Iphigenia is trans
Sarpedon is trans
Glaucus is trans
Polyxena is trans
Helenus is trans
Telemachus is trans
Neoptolemus is trans
Philoctetes is trans
Briseis is trans
Chryseis is trans
Tecmessa is trans
Hermione is trans
Peisistratus is trans
Antilochus is trans
Deidamia is trans
Troilus is trans
Telegonus is trans
Sthenelus is trans
Deiphobus is trans
Polydamas is trans
Antenor is trans
Creusa is trans
Iliona is trans
Polymester is trans
Dido is trans
Oenone is trans
Aegiale is trans
Alcinous is trans
Nausicaa is trans
pylades is trans
Lavinia is trans
Anchises is trans.
Hi. I'm cyberbullying a long dead poet because of his shitty fanfic. Enjoy. I'd love it if you joined me.
(Before you get mad at me, yes, I know Eugammon of Cyrene is an important figure and all that. I'm sick with some sort of flu. Let me cyberbully an ancient dead fanfic writer in peace.)
A Defense Case for The Telegony
The Telegony is called an unnecessary sequel to The Odyssey for good reasons.
The Odyssey ends with Odysseus returning home, reuniting with his family, and restoring order. It feels complete as it's one of the rare times a Greek hero gets something close to a happy ending.
But then The Telegony reveals that Odysseus had a son with Circe, Telegonus, who arrives and unknowingly kills him. After that, Circe turns Telemachus and Penelope immortal, marries Telemachus, and Telegonus marries Penelope.
I don't blame anyone for seeing it as bad fanfic that undoes the perfect ending Homer gave us.
But isn't that perfect when looking at Odysseus's story? It's one filled with actions that never stayed buries.
He blinded Polyphemus, so Poseidon spent years punishing him for it.
He survived Troy, but lost ten years in war and another ten years trying to get home.
The Phaeacians help him, and their ship is turned to stone for it.
Hell, just his whole crew dying for a mix of his and their stupidity.
His life is defined by consequences coming back to bite him, and Telegonus fits that pattern.
He isn't some random addition. He's the result of Odysseus's time with Circe, and that detour in his journey that felt like a pause didn't stay behind when he left.
It followed him, and it killed him.
And the most important thing to remember is how little of The Telegony we actually have.
What survives is a summary: Odysseus travels again, marries again, fights another war, returns home, dies, and then everyone gets paired off.
There’s no dialogue or insight that goes beyond these events.
How's his marriage with Penelope? Does she know the full story about Circe? How does she react to Ody's death and the identity of his killer?
How does Telemachus feel when meeting a half-brother who killed their father? Was Telegonus regretful when he found out the truth?
Were the marriages immediate or did they happen much later? Were they arranged, or did the pairs fall in love? What's Circe's role in all of this?
We just don't know.
Without any context, we're judging a skeleton and assuming the missing flesh was ugly.
Greek epics, just epics in general, rely heavily on characterization, speeches, emotional reactions—practically everything we don't have.
And in the end, the man of twists and turns wasn't brought down by a god or monster, but by someone from his past he never saw coming.
But then there's Tiresias' prophecy, that he would die gently of old age, far from the sea.
It can still happen. Odysseus could have still lived a full life, and perhaps he even reconciled with Telegonus to ensure no more family blood to be spilled.
The Odyssey doesn't have to lose it's ending for The Telegony to exist.
Different versions of Calypso in ancient sources, I only added ones that had conflicting information.

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reminder to epic fans: I don't like the Telegony too but it's not "fanfiction" or "non-canon." Most myths and stories we have were not created by individual authors but had existed in oral tradition for years before they were written down. Therefore, there is no "non-canon" because there is no canon in the first place. There's no one or truest version of any myth because these stories were changing all the time.
And while the full poem itself didn't survive, accounts and summaries of the Telegony existed as early as the second century AD. Meaning Telegonus was an accepted part of Odysseus' story for years contemporarily.
I get not wanting to acknowledge it (I don't either) but please don't spread misinformation. I'm begging you.
ulysses dies at dawn
Do you know how long the Willowing Oar Quest from the Odyssey takes? I've been trying to look it up, but I couldn't really find anything. And once Odysseus gets home he has to present hecatombs to all of the gods one by one. From what I've found online a hecatomb is a sacrifice of like 12 to 100 cattle. In the retellings of the odyssey that have them, how long would it take before Odysseus could finally relax?
Oh the Winnowing Oar! Yeah! ^_^
This is one of the most interesting asks I am getting in a while but sadly I cannot cook something up either!
Most of the sources seem to state that he has to travel until he fulfills his dues but unfortunately is not clear how long that is (as opposed to other examples like for instance Heracles's journey. Most sources seem to mention it took quite some time (which makes sense given that Odysseus had to travel on foot in the mountains, by most accounts, of Thesprotia till he found the most remote place in the area that never saw or had any contact with the sea and get to build the temple to Poseidon there. And boy the mounts of Thesprotia are no joke! Hahaha
(this is mount Souli for instance in Thesprotia)