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A few people have expressed interest, so here is a random selection of 1500 surnames taken from the same sample as the names from my Regency first name survey.
These names are taken from marriage records in Westminster, London (a very wealthy area) between 1800 and 1820.
As these names are taken from real people, some of them have cultural (Irish/Scottish/Welsh/etc.) or social (e.g. FitzRoy originally being used for the illegitimate children of royalty) connotations, or associations with extant noble families - so be sure to do a quick google before attaching them to any characters/etc.
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I'm not planning to have kids, since, you know, aroace. But I have a hyphenated last name, and my mum asked me a while ago what I'm going to do about the last name situation if I do have kids. Her suggestion was to just pick one name. My idea was to give the hypothetical kid a triple-hyphenated name, or a quadruple-hyphenated name if my hypothetical partner also happened to have a hyphenated last name. I thought it would be hilarious. My mum didn't, but oh well.
here in the USA, we have pretty lax restrictions on what you can name your kid (enter x-æ-a12 or... something) basically as long as it's not straight up naming your newborn hitler.
tho many countries have wayy narrower restrictions - Denmark, for example, has a list of 7k approved names, plus the given name must reflect the child's sex.
do you think this is a censorship issue, and should the government intrude on what you can name your child??
What's that? An oddly specific question that's only tangentially related to this blog's focus? Hell yeah. Don't mind if I do 😎
First off, let's explore current laws in the US in regards to naming children (lol wtf is wrong with me, what is this blog even about anymore? 😂)
I think that almost everywhere it has to be written out using ASCII characters (California might be in the process of changing this). ASCII contains plain letters in the English alphabet (capitalized or lowercase), without accent marks, punctuation, and numbers. So you can't name your kid 『打倒共匪』 even though that would obviously be metal as fuck. But it also means that some relatively common names like José, Zoë, or Lucía have to be written as Jose, Zoe, and Lucia.
I'm seeing that the Social Security Administration says... the SSN card has 26 spaces total for first/middle names, and 26 spaces for last name. Its internal fields allow 16 characters each for first and middle names and 21 for last name. So by my understanding that means... the maximum you can have is a 9 letter first name (plus a space), a 16 letter middle name, and a 21 letter last name. That means you're not allowed to name your child: Raghavendra Venkatasubramanya Kakaraparthi-Dharmavarapu, which actually seems like a pretty plausible name for a boy of Indian Telugu ancestry.
Multiple states seem to not allow numerals to be used in names. That's a bummer if you want to name your kid K8lyn
At least New Jersey, and probably others, don't allow "obscene" names. Although this concept is always up for debate, I would maybe caution parents against naming their kid something like Niggerfaggotbabyrapist. Well, at least in New Jersey.
I am wasting so much time on this lol. Okay anyways my opinion:
I think if you really squint, this topic at least censorship-adjacent, because names are expressive. They can carry all sorts of meanings related culture, religion, history, language, aesthetics, whatever.
Being forced to pick a name from a government-approved list cannot possibly be seen as neutral. It inevitably becomes a system where the state decides which identities are "normal" and which are not. That feels like the exact sort of bureaucratic cultural control that seems intended to punish immigrants, minorities, people who are just kind of generally weird, people from cultures the state doesn't understand, and anyone whose name doesn't fit the majority's idea of respectability.
Then again, naming your child is not the same as naming your band, your blog, or your shitty mixtape. A child is a separate person who has to live with the name and use it in day-to-day life. So I do actually think the government has some legitimate interest in making sure names are administratively usable and also just not outright abusive. But that interest should be extremely narrow.
I'm basically fine with rules like: the name has to be recordable in the government's system - so it can't be impossibly long, can't contain symbols that break databases, can't fraudulently claim an official title like "Judge" or "Dr." (even though that would obviously be hilarious for a baby), can't be actively abusive towards the child like a threat or slur, etc.
But once you go beyond that, I think the government should mostly fuck off.
i have a few new questions, this time about Surnames:
so, if i remember correctly than orphans dont have surnames, correct?
i assume that if a orphand gets adopted before adulthood, they simply get the surname of their family.
so since MC isnt formerly adopted, they never had a surname until they needed to sign a document. which leads to the following questions:
is MC´s situation common? so does it mean if an orphan never receives an surname, they just have to think about one on the fly when they need to sign somethin for the first time?
or is MC´s case unique? in that case what would be the usual procedures? would the owner of the orphanage sit down with the adult orphan and help them come up with a surname before sending them out to live on their own?
following this, assuming the oprhan finally chose their surname, are there other things that need to be done? like e.g. would an orphan/MC need to go to the nearest church/governmental building and "register" themselves with their new surname?
are there any "rules" for choosing ones surname? i guess something like "your not allowed to choose the surname of a (famous) noble family"/etc.
these questions are less lore-questions and more "gamplay"-questions:
4. will there be unique flavourtext/interaction if we choose one of the suggested surnames? i just found out (via a different ask) that the suggested surnames change depending on MC´s deity, so would e.g. people who learn about MC´s full name say something like "Sunsword? Your a follower of Nivari?" "Yes." "Thought so.", or something like that?
5. will there be unique flavourtext/interaction for each of the reasons (it was Sister Agamantha surname/MC read it somewhere/etc.) MC picked that surname?
e.g. if MC chose their surname because it was Sister Agamantha`s one, could there maybe be an encounter where we learn more about her past ("Sunsword? your not related to Agamantha Sunsword, the famous adventurer"
thank you once again for oyur answers.
Heyyyy!!! Thank you again for the thoughtful questions!! 💛💛
For surnames!!
MC's situation isn't uncommon. There are a lot of orphans in Vert due to the sudden appearance of portals, roaming monsters, and general poverty that comes with home and crop destruction. Not many families can afford to take in orphans, and orphanages are usually run through successful churches.
Most will give themselves a surname once they're of age to have an identity. Many, like MC, Maymie, and Raena, don't bother until they have to register their name somewhere, such as a guild, for a bank account, or for general employment.
New surnames aren't really kept on record anywhere beyond the village or town hall that keeps a census and for old and/or clerical families officially adding the child's name to the family tree. Too many people end up missing, dead, or drifting for any kind of large scale census to happen or be accurate for longer than a few months.
While there are general rules of manners, such as not taking on notable surnames from prestigious families, it can still happen. It boils down to if they're willing to risk having these families seek them out and 'rectify' the situation in order to keep their name, and therefore, bloodline unmuddied. Many places of employment won't accept people with surnames that are offensive or 'too foreign', so it's one thing that's considered, but it's not a hard law. I guess it would just depend on the person's determination to have that name lol
For gameplay!!
There will be some minor flavor text for the premade last names! It will likely be Raena approving of MCs choice and calling it fitting of their background. Other followers of MC's God will likely make comments about it during the game as well!
There will definitely be flavor/scenes that call back on MC's surname reasoning! Especially if it's Sister Agamantha's last name, Father Bardley's, or Aslo's. While we do learn more about Sister Agamantha's past, it will be through other avenues!
Other surname tidbit!! If Raena doesn't take MC's last name, she will have a God related surname that she confesses is Armsmaster Yoren's surname that she received permission to take and people will comment on it since Yoren was a rather famous Hero before she retired when her party disbanded. The potential surnames being: Brightbow, Tideshot, or Arrowpeak.
