#societal issues

Imo the onle thing they could have done with what the movie set up was to kill Odysseus

Let him get physically home, let him reach his goal, but by needing to commit violence in his own home, the violence that the movie wants to condemn so much, even if it's lowk justified in this instance, this last breaking of Zeus's law, needs to end with consequences.

Like this way, the movie communicates "you should feel bad about your war crimes and violence is bad but you will still get a mostly happy ending if you slaughter the right people"

But if the point is that violence destroys civilization, why shouldn't it destroy Odysseus in the end because he went too far down the path? Wouldn't that bring the point home more?

You regretted it and you understood it but it was too late because the world has started to crumble from the violence you started. It's tragic because you understood but you couldn't fix it anymore. You reached a home you already destroyed 10 years ago when you destroyed the Trojans' home and you can't. do. a .thing.

Idk the movie is trying to be really dark and tragic, I think it should have had the balls and committed to it.

And in regard to irl issues I think it's a stronger message to say "you might reach the point of no return way before it looks like it could affect you personally, so fucking watch it" rather than "you should regret the wars you started cos they're bad" no. No regrets ten years later. That's not enough. When it reaches you it's already burned through millions of lives and it's too fucking late. Especially the western world needs to learn that it's not enough to regret it by the point it starts affecting you. We need to understand that everything we do, no matter how far away it seems now, will come back and destroy so much more and then we won't be able to stop it anymore, so DON'T DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The more I think about it, the more I hate the message actually. This line of thinking is exactly what is eating my country alive right now. Some bitch ass politicians did nothing to improve things for ages because it got them reelected; they refused to actually react when things started getting more difficult, and now everyone's surprised that no one trusts the government and is voting right wing slop and you can't stop it anymore because it's BROKEN. you broke this. Now you can stand there and be sorry but you broke it.

And that is just my country, a lot of countries have this exact issue. And in 5 years some asshole can say they're sorry about how AI took over the world. We can feel regret for the world burning because of climate change. We say sorry for plastic in the oceans and for children who starve and IT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. Regret doesn't change that you crossed the line.

This exact line of thinking that regret is the first step to betterment is destroying everything right now. Societally, regret is not always the first step to betterment, sometimes it's just the helpless reaction to something you started and can no longer fix.

Odysseus doesn't need to die in the Nodessey as retribution for his actions or as a just punishment for his crimes. This isn't karma. He needs to die because people need to understand that the line MUST NOT BE CROSSED. We can't cross the line and then feel virtuous about feeling sorry, we cannot cross the fucking line. He cannot have a happy ending because that would mean we might get a happy ending if we cross the line. And we won't. We'll watch everything burn, helpless to stop it, so we need to stop it NOW.

Using this message as oscar bait and virtue signaling honestly makes me sick.

you decided to write a man who destroyed an entire civilization and then gave him a happy-ish ending because he understood the error of his ways. And it is not framed as unfair, it is framed as what he deserves. because he felt bad.

The fact that a king is the only person who doesn't have to live the consequences of his own actions as much as everyone else is realistic, but it should be framed as unjust.

The rest of us won't be able to take a ship west with our wives when society is destroyed, we will have to be here and live it, and we need to understand that it'll be too late by then.

and there are plenty of cases where regret is a good first step to change things in the future, ofc, you should always try to make things better. You can't change the past but you can change the future and all that.

Only that with the scenario that the Nodessey creates and that is ever so modern and pressing to current day issues, the moral should be: you fuck up in the past, you will not be able to change the future, so don't fuck up the present as long as you can still make choices.

I'm sorry for sounding doomsdayerish, but like. We're near so many lines irl and some millionaire director whose crew threw plastic props in protected waters teaches us that maybe *we* will be fine if everything burns, but we will feel like really bad about it. We'll sail west toward the setting sun with our wife and honor the dead and not have to live the consequences.

which is what the western world usually does, but shouldn't your moral be that we shouldn't be *allowed* to flee our consequences? That at some point, we will no longer be able to, and we should act before that happens? That this is not a happy or even hopeful ending but pretty much the saddest and most cynical thing that could have happened at the end of this movie?

Instead we get Society will collapse but we're having a serene moment reminiscing about the world that we destroyed but we still have each other so yay.

Okay yeah so i don't actually want to hear that the Nodessey might be a bad adapation but it has good themes. It doesn't. It actually teaches exactly the wrong thing. And no, the ending is not intended to be a commentary on what I just laid out and actually a sad ending, it's not edited that way at all. It's just the cozy comfy from-the-couch moral of war is bad and regret is enough even if you destroyed society with your past actions.