#savisco

i'm thinking of the speed force bazooka that Savitar wants Cisco to turn into a splicer.

it could be arrogance or stupidity on Savitar's part, he never checks what Cisco did to the weapon, he never tests, never questions, never even stays a bit to make sure he does work on it as he is intended to do. he trusts Cisco. he trusts that Cisco will do what he asked him to do and, yes, he did make a serious threat and he does intend to kill him after but he does trust him and let him do the work and trust that the work will be done. it's such a Barry thing to do. Barry always lets Cisco handle the tech, weapons, gadgets, anything, Barry lets Cisco do it and then uses whatever he built without question, he trusts him and trusts that it will work.

Snart didn't. it takes a few seconds only for Snart to know that Cisco tried to tamper with the cold gun. Savitar should have known. he's supposedly way smarter and more knowledgeable than Snart is, and he does look at the splicer but he only sees good, finished work. my take is that it's because Savitar looks at Cisco's work, and at Cisco, the way Barry does.

THAT GIF IS KILLING ME BTW LMAOOOOOO

something about savitar trying soooo hard not to be barry, then the moment he sees cisco he's like "my best friend :)" and continues to do everything in his power to go stay with me actually :) i will threaten you in a way i know that will work (killing cait & frost) so STAY. barry already has a sliiiight possessive streak, savitar can have the worst of it with cisco <3 everything violent and painful that barry holds within himself is what savitar IS. (and he was able to get out of his prison bc of flashpoint so. savitar is barry's fault again LOL) cisco in this season is rightfully mad at him for flashpoint and you SEE how much that hurts barry, so i wonder if being mean to sav helped him a little bit lol, the forgiveness for flashpoint was a little rushed in my opinion... though, of course we can get into how cisco could help savitar, that's totally within his power, but them being mean to each other the way only best friends know how to be and then they get a little heated and end up. kissing. or something. best friends to enemies to maybe friends to whatever the fuck is going on but it's romantic. i think. <3 barrisco on toxic steroids please do not separate them or else savitar might kill someone

Oooh fun choices!

Savitar

How I feel about this character: Unfortunately, I am obsessed with him. Not because he's a good character in canon (he really isn't, aside from like...the few scenes he's unmasked), but because the idea of him is so, so intriguing. And MAN Grant could really pull off suave manipulator when Savitar was allowed to be out of the suit

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Iris, Cisco, Reverb, and Mirror Iris! Which is just Barrisco and Westallen in various fonts 😅 Saverb and Savimiris in particular have my heart because...evil Barrisco/Westallen!!

But Saviris is a very compelling tragedy (if only the writers took advantage of that more), and Savisco is sooo interesting. Like...Cisco is one of the people Savitar lists as someone he hates for shunning him, and yet he never hurts Cisco directly. Triggers his trauma, threatens his best friend, yes, and neither of those are harmless, but...Savitar never directly goes after Cisco himself. He always makes Killer Frost do it. And yeah, sure, Killer Frost has to be the one to freeze off Cisco's hands, but Savitar could absolutely hurt Cisco himself too, and yet...he repeatedly puts it on Killer Frost. Interesting indeed...

Neither of these (Saviris and Savisco) are healthy relationships ofc, but both still speak volume about how Barry-like Savitar is: he has soft spots for the same two people that Barry does!

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Barry, simply because doppelgänger platonic relationships are sooo endlessly compelling to me. Would've also been Killer Frost, but like...they're not even toxic in an interesting way. He's just flat-out abusive to her for no reason. To this day, I have no idea why people love them so much (honestly I might’ve even been intrigued by them as a ship if not for this, but I def would’ve loved their platonic dynamic. As canon stands tho…nah)

(Morgan fits into this category, though a) Savitar is a more compelling villain in all versions of the Morgan AU and b) I cannot elaborate, you just have to trust the process 🙏)

My unpopular opinion about this character: the fact that I don't consider Savitar a good villain in canon. In his unmasked scenes? Absolutely! But those scenes are like...2-3 out of so many, and unfortunately, they still can't make up for how incoherent he is as a villain, how his motives make no sense...and how he really could've been anyone else and the season would've changed very little. Like. Seriously. Other than 3x21, can you think of any episode that would've actually been super different if Savitar had been, say, Wally instead? Because I sure can't! And that's not good!

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: Get rid of the scar (ever since I learned it was only included to mark him as "damaged"/"broken", and especially since it's never explained, I've been so pissed it was included at all), let him impersonate Barry and mess with his life. Honestly, you can even keep the scar if you really want to (for some reason), but let him then use HR's device to impersonate Barry! Mess up his life...not in big ways, but in small ways:

A conversation with Cisco that Barry doesn't remember (because Savitar had it), a date with Iris that Barry missed (because Savitar set it up), Caitlin being secretive around him (because Savitar "subtly" excluded her and sowed distrust for her within the Team...maybe this could even lend to why she keeps a piece of the Stone hidden). Stuff like that.

AND and!! Explore how he's Barry's dark side! Show Barry making a ruthless choice, and maybe Team Flash is wary and/or Savitar commends him for it. And Barry's blood runs cold. Ex: Savitar directly calls out his time manipulation in 3x22, where he snatched Snart out of the timeline for the sole purpose of saving Iris, not caring about the consequences. "I would've done the same thing," says Savitar, "maybe we're not so different after all," and Barry feels sick to his stomach. Stuff like that!

(Also, Savitar and Mirror Iris playing the happy couple would've been SOOOO compelling. I realize there was no plausible way to bring Savitar back after s3, but like...they brought him back in s5 even tho it made no sense. They could find a way for s6)

Cisco Ramon

How I feel about this character: I love him! Like...genuinely, what's not to love. He's protective of the ones he loves, he's compassionate, he's funny, he gives his all to everything, he's a badass (even if the show forgot that. Often)...I just love him sm and he deserves nice things

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Barry, Kamilla! Also sometimes Caitlin, Kendra, and Lisa. Also Iris in a Barriscowest way

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Iris and Harry! I also really love his and Caitlin's friendship (I go back and forth on shipping them lol)

My unpopular opinion about this character: He was valid in his anger towards Barry in early s3. Like...listen. Did Barry have valid reasons not to want to time-travel again? Absolutely. Did Cisco have valid reasons to be pissed at him anyway? ABSOLUTELY!

I mean...consider that Barry learned the lesson of time-travel being timeline-altering and dangerous in season 1. That's the reason he ran his choice (to save his mom) by everyone in 1x23 - he knew it would affect all of them! He wanted everyone to be okay with it! And he did the same in 2x17 - making sure his Team was all onboard. But then...in 2x23, he's faced with the SAME choice as 1x23. And I get that he was in grief because he'd just lost his dad. But then why does 3x01 act like Barry is just now realizing how dangerous time travel is? It's just bizarre. He been knew!!

And my gripes about Flashpoint aside...Cisco is still valid to be mad at him. Dante (for some reason) died as collateral damage of Barry's time travel*, and this is when Barry sets the boundary of "no, I can't time travel anymore." And we, the audience, understand why! But Cisco? He's grief-ridden, and so angry, because from his POV, Barry is willing to time travel to save his own family, but not Cisco's. It feels personal, even though it's not. More importantly, it feels like Barry's being a hypocrite...and the thing is? Cisco's not totally wrong to feel that way. I mean...look at what Barry does in 3x22! He manipulates time again, to save Iris! That should've resulted in another Flashpoint. Can you imagine? Cisco is a saint for not getting pissed at Barry again after that because...wtf dude.

*listen I still think Eobard Thawne killed Dante himself - it would explain his whole "everything is back to normal...well, for me, anyway. For you..." thing, and he knows about Cisco's family life, so you just know this mf would bring it up to Cisco, expecting a "thank you" (because if you take a cue from the comics, as I do, Thawne has a very messed-up concept of family. Of love in general, really, but especially family). This might become a fic one day, who knows 👀

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: He should've kept his powers, and he and Kamilla should've stayed in Central. I get that they wrote him off because Carlos wanted to leave, and I respect that! But it was so bizarre for Cisco as a character (and for Kamilla too, really, but this is a Cisco-focused ask)

We’ve all heard of the evil power duo that is Savitar x Reverb…but what about Savitar x Echo 👀

Savitar is trapped in an endless loop he can’t escape, filled with anger and pain and jealousy of Barry Allen, and Echo has the power to rewrite fortunes and give unfortunate souls better lives…and also they’re Barry and Cisco, they’re drawn to each other. There’s something here, I can feel it

ooooooooooooh wait yes I love this you're onto something for sure!!!!

and Cisco won't admit he's still heartbroken about it, he was and is still in love with him, it was always everything to him, the two of them. Savitar knows, though, and when he has Cisco, well, he tells him Barry might have been an idiot jerk but he won't be, he won't look at him, at Cisco, and let what they can have not happen again.