#pluto 4h

Placements that downplay their looks out of fear of being perceived

venus-ruled people (taurus or libra rising)

｡♡˚ Being perceived well is a very high priority for these folks, whether they are ready to admit it or not. It's difficult when there's also harsh venus/asc aspects involved because it can make these people hyper-aware of others and how they're showing up in the world. They notice everything -- tone shifts, glances, snarky comments, noises, etc. This hyperawareness makes them want to become people pleasers and not really lean into their own preferences, identity, style, etc.

｡♡˚ When these people dress up, it's intentional and precise, but with a purpose. It's as though they're not willing to give anyone a chance to see them out of their "element" or curated persona, so they plan everything that they wear to stay socially attuned. If they are withdrawn and stop trying, its because they can't stand being evaluated by people.

｡♡˚ I think it's fair to say that venusian ruled people deal with a fair share of judgment, especially surrounding look and presentation. The attention could actually be envied by others -- people assume it's good attention, but I've noticed these people end up feeling really exposed, actually. It can be lonely if people only perceive you one way, and it's the way that isn't even... you. So, sometimes, these people stop "trying" to avoid unwanted attention. I think it's actually wild how frequent these people have "pretty" privilege to the outside world, but that privilege really hasn't gotten them but but feelings of invasion in some way, shape, or form.

moon/venus negatively aspecting asc

｡♡˚ Now it depends on what's being aspected. But for instance, having venus conjunct/square/opposite ascendant might really crave being perceived, or being seen for exactly who they think they are. The problem is that this sometimes doesn't translate irl. These people can "miss the mark" when it comes to how they're being perceived. They might feel intense desires of approval from others, which can lead them to either overcompensate with their looks OR totally withdraw from trying. They could feel like rejection is right around the corner if they try.

｡♡˚ It's a bit different for people with moon conjunct/square/opposite asc because they're afraid of how people will react to them, especially if they show up as their true authentic selves. They can really struggle with self-expression in fear of not being understood, felt, or accepted. Vulnerability is not easy for this placement. They make some really good art though.

Saturn-ruled or Saturn 1H people

｡♡˚ These people tend to really shrink themselves to avoid unwanted criticism from others, and this is because it could feel like they've lived most of their lives under a microscope. It can feel like their every move and motive has been studied, analyzed & judged right out of the womb. They have learned very early on how to avoid the spotlight and not trust attention, so these people could have an attachment to muted colors, nudes, beige aesthetics, etc. They can even find it a challenge to incorporate actual colors into their wardrobes and it's not necessarily because they care about what people think, but because of these early life patterns they learned as children.

Neptune-ruled or neptune in 1H, 7H, 8H, 10H, 11H

｡♡˚ Ugh, these people. The problem is that they want to show themselves off to the world. They are gifted, talented, and beautiful -- the problem is that they are very seldom appreciated when they are completely and entirely themselves around others. People are very physically attracted to them, but these individuals sort of set off a projection of who other people want the neptune person to be in their minds. For instance: if the neptune person is quiet and a little shy or detached, the person might perceive neptune's actions as uninterest, aggression, or even seduction. It can get weird. If these people stop putting effort into their looks it's because of feeling objectified, or like people do not really like them for who they are, but for who people think they are based on their physical appearance or energy. It's not just about looks, though. These people can even gatekeep their real personalities if they feel rejection in this area. Sadly, these folks could think that people may never really like them for who they really are.

Pluto-ruled or pluto in 1H, 3H, 4H, 5H, 8H,12H, pluto square/opposite venus, mars, jupiter or ascendant

｡♡˚ I am including many types of plutonian placements here because the energy is intense, regardless. These poor people were probably rejected as kids, specially when it comes to showing off a talent or interest. These people could feel like others do not really care about what interests them, and so this could make them want to stop trying, or putting themselves out there. Boundary violation is also prominent here too, and this could lead to people wanting to stop putting effort into their presentation due to the level of intense attention they draw in naturally.

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don’t take this seriously pls. these are general observations, depends on the aspects, degrees and your whole chart to be more specific.

mars on IC: in your childhood you’ve watched a lot of fights and then love gestures -like kisses and hugs-. you saw your parents/people who lived with you being really unstable and contradicting in their actions. you could have felt really worried of how impatient they were and how they suddenly they acted like they did nothing. that’s why you’re so cautious/defensive about others response.

sun on IC: you could have looked a lot for your family’s acceptance. you could have felt the need to mold your personality according to your family’s wishes. a mother figure could have been more present. you could have been overprotected or too shy to socialize. you easily run out of your social battery. major introvert.

moon on IC: in your childhood one of your parents/loved ones could have not gave you what you needed to feel emotionally secure. you didn’t feel understood or seen when your were a child. mother could have been too focused on their child’s life. strong emotional connection with mother. you could have felt too much and bottled it up -depends on other placements-.

venus on IC: you idealize your family and home, you focus on how it should be bc you’re scared of change in relationship terms. you tend to lean on and keep relationships -friendship, romantic, family, etc.- that had been in your life for a long time, doesn’t matter if they’re toxic, just bc it’s more “easy”, “comfortable” or you tell yourself “it has always been like this why would I change it” -something like that-.

neptune on IC: your childhood’s environment wasn’t the best. you could have felt alone, as if the people/parents who lived with you weren’t there. they gave you too much freedom or one of your parents were absent -emotionally, physically-. you could have felt the need to lock yourself in your own world to not see what was happening in reality. didn’t felt connected to your family or home. you kinda wish to not have raised yourself.

uranus on IC: there was always something happening in your childhood. you could have felt you didn’t have a home even though you had one. your parent could have been eccentric -or pretty normal- or had “rare” habits compare to others. or you could be the eccentric one in your family. could have felt like an outsider. like jupiter on IC, you could have moved around a lot but bc of an unstable household.

pluto on IC: there was/is a lot of tension in your home. you were domineering by your parents/people who lived with you and you tended to shut up and let them be. your parents or siblings could have abused their power and used it against you or for their benefit. even though your home’s toxic you care so much for the people who live there. you have a strong bond with your family. there’s so much control coming from your parents.

jupiter on IC: you could have changed houses a lot and bc of that had to adapt to different cultures -open minded-. your parents had/have a lot of influence in your life, they could be the reason you had a high quality education. you need to have a busy social life to rest from your parents. you could have a different mentality comparing to the ones on your household. issues with parents -depends on the aspect but mostly-.

mercury on IC: your beliefs are highly influenced by your family. your family’s values have a high influence in your decisions. you could have spent a lot of time thinking about your family dynamic -mercury can represent were’s your mind at-. you could have been a curious child. also pretty anxious. you could have being criticized constantly in your household and as a kid you could have criticized yourself too.

saturn on IC: you could have felt you couldn’t trust your parents. strict household. your parents could have been too harsh on you and didn’t provide emotional security. they had a lot of expectations towards you and that’s why you could have felt frustrated when you didn’t achieve what they wanted. you could have taken care of responsibilities that you werent supposed to took care of at a very young age.

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taurus IC: everyone had to have the last word and where stubborn asf -when I remember my childhood-.

virgo IC: too analytical and were really strict, parents or the ones who lived with you were looking for what you’ve done “wrong” or out of the line.

mars retrograde transit square natal mercury: short-tempered, that’s it. I was feeling too much out of nowhere, didn’t know where all this bothersome came from. MY MIND PLS. in a situation, all my overthinking thoughts, my traumas, my anxiety, gets triggered and or I get mad and anxious bc i ran into conclusions without thinking, as if every situation pushes a bottom that reminds me of something from the past and I get in an alert mode. like BISH STAWP why are you being so defensive 😭

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♡ Based on personal experience and what I’ve analyzed in my surroundings.

♡ English is not my first language.

♡ I’m not a profesional astrologer.

Thank youu. baibaiii🫣🫶🏼💋

*even if there may be abundance, favor or protection, blessings and seemingly easy grace in that area of life, to other people’s eyes, in actuality the experience is quite dark compared to what appearances imply. There are dark psychological themes at play, a permeating danger at all times, a struggle against being deceived by seemingly beautiful, selfless rewards, and often contending with this feeling of being unsafe, alone. There is also a tinge of being put into a survival game of sorts, except in a pretty venue? Perhaps it’s like hunger games, now that I think about it.

The positive of this placement doesn’t feel positive. It pushes the native to get stronger but it’s like Jonah and the whale - you have no choice but to go through traumatic experiences and come out as a different person in the end. There is no sense of control during the process, no consolation since your life is pretty much on the line or so it feels, and you ride it out with gritted teeth. Only years later does one appreciate the strength they have come to possess because the intense experience just happens to be that overwhelming, that it feels twisted and wrong to ever be grateful for such an experience.

Because of the unique experience of danger lurking behind a belying facade, these placements also taught me to keep personal business close to heart. Not out of malice. More so, an ingrained tendency from certain recurring psychological experiences.

But since I have Scorpio Lilith in 0° and in 3H, it can actually go both ways. At times there are certain stark truths that just come out regardless of the criticism it might invite.

Hi there,

Before answering you question, I feel that it's a need to embrace my cancer sun and give you a virtual hug🥺 Things will get better b, get the help you need and know that even me, a rando on tumblr who writes astrology notes got ur back:) I won't make you wait longer, lets talk astrology and mental health.

Awareness Astro

—Anxiety&Depression🫂

part 1

Hey guys, I think its important before we move on to point out that having these placements which I'll be discussing do not mean that you definitely have anxiety or depression, it just means that from my limited observation and personal studies, these people with the listed placements are more prone to having issues with their mental health. However, I must let you guys know that I'm not a professional and in no place should you guys take my observations to heart, you can read it and let me know what you think though i'd love a discussion:)! Please receive immediate medical attention if you think your mental health is in danger, it is just as important as your physical body

water suns/moons with air mercury/ascendant or air dominant chart = contradicting energy. are very prone to rationalize their feelings. I notice that most water suns/moons have a harder time opening up to people and if they have an air mercury( mercury = minds, thinking, thoughts, intellecys ) they are very prone to rationalize and finding flaws in their own feelings. a true battle of the head and the heart. obsessive but hate that they are. very anxious people and intense people but they lack the ability to express it well since they're used to a different energy. for instance, pisces sun/moon with aquarius mercury are very complex and sensitive people but they are so objective, even with their own feelings and this in turns, create a resentment in them, fearing a part of themself and create a storm of anxiety in them as they interact with people, fearful of letting others in or not being able to express what they truly feel.

air sun/moon with dominant water charts or water mercury= their goals and intellect output differ from one another. simply put, extremely deep people yet will never let others in. unless they have some good aspects to balance this out, if not, they will shut everyone out and sink in their dark minds, letting the negativity consume them. they feel that they're letting themselves down and hate that they can not live up to even their own standards. very very prone to panic attacks from my observations, especially if theres cancer energy or libra energy present. rly hate oversharing but can not help it sometimes:(

capricorn moons= the OG villain. they are so used to be perceived by others as heartless even thougj they're not, they have a harder time relating to others emotions but that does not mean that they don't feel any. practically tought themselves everything they know. deal with a lot of bizarre stuff that most people are not even aware of. tend to cut off people when they feel threatened. depression and depressive episodes, feelings unloved and unworthy are so common. take failure personally so losing something or inability to achieve their goals will result in breaking down and detachment.

sun square moon, sun opposite moon: people don't talk a lot about this but the sun rules over our brain, therefore, any damaging sun sign especially to pluto, saturn or chiron need to be examined. very much prone to panic attacks and have their moments lacking self worth.

sun in 6H, 12H, 10H, 3H: super neurotic energy if there's a lot of harsh aspects (tight orbs or aspecting any other dominant planet)

moon in 6th house: escapism. extremely negative and need a lot of assurance. prone to expect the worst. usually have a very bad health or if they work they may never feel they're good enough and can slip into suddens anxious moment.

saturn in 1H, 3H, 4H, 7H and 12H

mercury in pisces or cancer= scattered yet idealistic thoughts, thoughts which they find it hard for others to understand. tendency to take everything personal and to heart, over analyze people.

mercury in mutable signs= especially if there are harsh aspects to personal planets. overthinkers and get uneasy when confronted. lowkey feel that its better to lie sometimes. blunt but not really, not with their own stuff. very prone to become tense and nervous. negative thoughts start to spiral and once it starts they cant control it. (i'm looking at u gemini mercury)

mercury opposite moon, mercury square moon: how the feel deep down ≠ their words

mercury square ASC= this creates very conflicting people, they never seem to really understand themselves and can have a harder time with their own mental health.

mercury square venus, mercury opposite venus, mercury opposite ASC= the need to lie so that others will like them, lie to protect themselves/their images. feel that they cant even be honest to what they want. carry burden like no others. actions differ from what they rly want most of the time.

mercury aspecting mars (afflicted tho): easily frustrated. over analyzing 24/7 and losing their shits 24/7 too. panic attacks. crippling anxiety.

moon in aquarius, leo, scorpio, taurus: at the same time, one of the signs of depression is persistent sad, anxious, or "empty" feelings (source). most fixed moon i know usually are very stubborn with their emotions, it also means that sometimes its harder for them to just let their feelings go. once they feel something it tends to stick around for a while, if not intensify as time progresses if theres no healthy emotional outlet. this is especially true for aquarius moon and scorpio moon. aquarius moon(fixed+air) people approach their feelings in an unusual way, sometimes if they're going through something you wouldn't even hear from them at all for a whole week, but then they'd come back and act like they're all good. scorpio moon(fixed+water) is naturally secretive with their struggles. they hates opening up or yearning for help so much they'd rather do it on their own and this tend to backfire most of the time. leo moon(fixed+fire) gives out a lot of love, they expect a lot in return and if not are so prone to pessimism and restlessness. taurus moon(fixed+earth) make connections through their charming ability to others, this is no secrets but they're one of the strongest people i've ever met, emotionally mature or have GREAT potentials to be one.

pisces moon: carry a lot of guilt and responsibility. they tend to have very low self esteem at one point at usually struggle to sleep a lot if they're not in a good place. very subtle yet very serious signs would be shown through this placement of the moon. they may lie to themselves a lot of the time for assurance tho. highkey need to be with people who are more rational.

pluto conjunct moon, pluto conjunct mercury or pluto conjunct ASC

pluto in the 1H,3H,4H,7H and 12H

Aquarius IC, Sagittarius IC, Scorpio IC, Capricorn IC: something about these people childhood was just off. as a child was extremely detached or extremely emotionala and switch from one state to another so often it's very alarming.

chiron in capricorn, chiron in leo.

mercury in Leo, Sagittarius: tendency to think of themselves as the one who carries the positive vibes, a need to always stay hilarious or as an entertainer for their circle, which is very exhausting and will sooner or later wear them out. great listeners to others but bad at opening up abt their struggles.

GRAND TRINE IN WATER: very very emotional people but something forbid them to show it and can get extremely obsessive and will lose themselves in toxic situations if not careful.

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☉ Sun in 4H — Growing up, you may have felt like your worth in the family was tied to what you did, not who you were. Maybe you were the “golden child” only when you achieved something impressive — a report card to brag about, a talent that made the family look good. On the days you weren’t shining, it felt like you faded into the background. Maybe no one asked how you were unless it was tied to your performance. As an adult, you might over-perform in relationships — cooking elaborate meals when a hug would do, overexplaining your worth to friends or partners, feeling restless if you’re not “producing” something to justify being loved.

☽ Moon in 4H — The atmosphere at home could change without warning. One day there was warmth and laughter, the next there was silence, tension, or someone’s anger simmering under the surface. You might remember listening for the sound of footsteps in the hallway or analyzing the way the front door shut to know what kind of night it would be. You learned to become an emotional weather forecaster before you could spell the word “weather.” As an adult, this can show up as hypervigilance — scanning your partner’s texts for tone, watching a friend’s expression shift mid-sentence, and instantly bracing yourself for emotional withdrawal.

☿ Mercury in 4H — Maybe your ideas or feelings were brushed off because you were “too young to understand.” You could have been interrupted, talked over, or even told that your version of events wasn’t true. Some of you grew up in households where secrets were kept, and when you spoke up, you were met with discomfort or outright denial. Now, you might find yourself rehearsing what you want to say ten times before speaking, softening your words to avoid backlash, or doubting your own perception even when you know what you heard and saw.

♀ Venus in 4H — Your home may have looked perfect to outsiders — clean, well-decorated, “together” — but the warmth you needed wasn’t always there. Maybe everyone played their roles, smiled in family photos, and kept up appearances, but behind closed doors, affection felt scarce or conditional. You learned to equate “looking fine” with “being fine,” which can lead to staying in relationships or living situations that are beautiful on the outside but lonely on the inside. You might still find yourself rearranging throw pillows in a tense room instead of asking, “What’s wrong?” because it’s what you were taught.

♂ Mars in 4H — The sound of conflict might still live in your body — raised voices, a slammed cabinet, even the way a chair scraped against the floor. Maybe arguments escalated quickly, or the tension was unspoken but heavy enough to choke on. You could have learned to shrink yourself to avoid setting someone off, or you might have fought back and been labeled “the difficult one.” Now, you might avoid confrontation entirely, or you go from calm to explosive the second you feel cornered, because deep down you still link anger to danger.

♃ Jupiter in 4H — You may have grown up under big ideals, beliefs, or expectations. This could mean a religious upbringing, a strong cultural identity, or a family dream you were expected to fulfill. Maybe they planned your future before you even hit double digits. The love was there, but it was tangled with the weight of “This is who you’re supposed to be.” As an adult, you might feel guilty for wanting a life that doesn’t match their vision, or like you have to justify why you’re choosing your own path over the one they mapped out.

♄ Saturn in 4H — Childhood may have felt heavy. Maybe you had to grow up too fast — taking care of siblings, translating adult problems, or managing responsibilities while other kids played. Love might have been conditional, given when you “behaved” or met expectations. Joy wasn’t a constant — it came in small, fleeting moments. Now, you might find it hard to relax in your own home or believe you deserve comfort without first earning it. Even when life slows down, you might catch yourself scanning for the next responsibility.

♅ Uranus in 4H — Your home life might have been marked by sudden changes — moving houses often, changing schools, separations, or sudden disappearances. Maybe one parent was in and out, or routines never lasted long enough to feel normal. You learned not to get too attached because stability felt temporary. As an adult, you might crave a home base but feel restless once you have it, almost like stability is a setup for disappointment.

♆ Neptune in 4H — The truth in your home might have been blurred by denial, secrecy, or idealization. Maybe people in your family pretended everything was fine while sweeping real problems under the rug. You might have been told you were imagining things or “being dramatic” when you pointed out inconsistencies. Now, you might second-guess your memories or feel like you need someone else to validate your reality. Home might still feel like a place where you have to put on a smile, even when you’re breaking inside.

♇ Pluto in 4H — You may have experienced power struggles, manipulation, or control within the family. Maybe love came with strings attached, or your trust was broken in ways that made you grow up fast. You might have been drawn into adult conflicts, asked to keep secrets, or pressured to side with one person over another. As an adult, you might associate intimacy with a loss of control, so you keep your most vulnerable self locked away to avoid being exposed or used against you.

☊ North Node in 4H — There’s a deep ache for belonging here. You might have grown up feeling like you didn’t fit in with your family, your culture, or the place you were raised. Some of you moved so often that the idea of “home” feels abstract. Your path is about building the home you never had — not just physically, but emotionally — a place where you can finally exhale.

☋ South Node in 4H — The weight of your roots can feel suffocating. You might carry family traditions, stories, or traumas that feel too heavy to put down. Even when you leave physically, the emotional pull is strong. It can feel like you owe your loyalty to the past, even when it keeps you from growing. Your lesson is learning that honoring where you came from doesn’t mean you have to stay there.

⚸ Lilith in 4H — You may have been shamed or punished for being emotionally raw. Maybe your crying was “too much,” your anger was “ugly,” or your needs were “selfish.” You learned early to package yourself into something more palatable to keep the peace. Even now, you might find yourself hesitating to be messy or vulnerable in your own home, because deep down, home was the place you were told to hide the parts of yourself that were hardest to love.

⟡ ᴅᴍ ᴍᴇ ꜰᴏʀ:

🌙 ᴘʀɪᴠᴀᴛᴇ ᴛᴀʀᴏᴛ & ᴘꜱʏᴄʜɪᴄ ʀᴇᴀᴅɪɴɢꜱ

🪐 ʙɪʀᴛʜ ᴄʜᴀʀᴛ ᴀɴᴀʟʏꜱɪꜱ & ᴀꜱᴛʀᴏʟᴏɢʏ ꜱᴇꜱꜱɪᴏɴꜱ

𓆩𖤐𓆪 ꜰᴀꜱᴛ, ɪɴᴛᴜɪᴛɪᴠᴇ, ᴀɴᴅ ɢᴜɪᴅᴇᴅ ʙʏ ꜱᴘɪʀɪᴛ.

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Hey baddie🥰

I hope everything is good with you too!! I'm glad that you got your dad's birth time so that you can look into your chart and his to see how your dynamics play out in astrology🖤 When I got mine, I was so excited and fascinated on how accurate our synastry was haha

As for your questions, Lilith in my opinions especially when looking at a parent and child chart, if there are significant aspects( if one person is Lilith/Pluto heavy or the orbs between Lilith aspects are 2° and under and when there are a lot Lilith aspects) then this might signify a lot of restraints and power struggles, the child might feel that there relationships with the parent is "difficult" and usually don't want to discuss too much about it as it may trigger some unwanted memories. I'll explain:

Lilith square ASC in, Lilith and Pluto in 4H: I'd say that the Lilith person had a lot of psychological power over the child or the child's mother when younger (4H) The child(ASC) might have felt that the father rejected the idea of who the child was as a person or he didnt try to see the ASC's way of seeing things for what they truly are. Might try to psychologically manipulate the child to keep them all to himself since 4H also briefly discussed fixed possession. Either this ^ or could have rejected the child's birth and/or wanted the mother to have an abortion. (4H=the womb, termination) (Pluto=abortion) The child then despused the father for this, they felt that they couldn't change him or get to him even tho they're his own blood, this action would only trigger Lilith(father) more.

Lilith square Pluto 4H: This aspects scream power trip, guil tripping and mind games. Lilith felt that Pluto is trying to leave them or reject them, this psychologically affect Lilith hidden fear or rejection, hence Lilith may try to dominate Pluto(psychologically or if there are worse placements or rly tight orb, physically). Lilith is disappointed with Pluto way of life and there are clear domestic(4H) conflicts. Lilith sees themselves in Pluto but also despised Pluto for this, Pluto is also intense so they don't give in easily. Pluto might lie a lot to leave Lilith and feel that Lilith is putting all of their hatred and burden on them. Disconnected. Lack of foundation.

Uranus in your 4H: Unusual family connection, ups and downs. when its good its good but when its bad its so bad. constant relocation. Uranus feels that they couldn't give the house person what they wants, they'd rather go chase after freedom and spontaneity. However, Uranus can be very commanding of the 4H person and usually can be unrealistically idealistic (Uranus=command) I'm sorry i dont know if i should say this, but Uranus also talks about "bastards"(again i'm so so sorry for this information) so the mother and the father could have their relationships when younger or had the child without planning early on, unexpected birth. The Uranus person didn't expect the child's birth. Was not ready too .

Here are a few observations I can think of for now. I'm truly sorry if you can't relate to this posts but also so glad that you're so brave to do something as such! So proud of you queen! I'm recommend checking @armetor's page for more info about Plutonic synastry! She has some amazing post about this:)

love,