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Alternative look at the Heroes of Olympus Series, AKA My Ideas of a Rewrite
Or my rewrite of an adventure-romance/friendship series into a Lord of the Rings-style love of friendship adventure series
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Very long continuation of this post about HoO with Frank, Hazel, and Leo as the main trio! So if you don't want to read all the text, but still see the content, that's an option too.
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I want to open up by saying that while I didn't personally enjoy the Heroes of Olympus series, I'm not saying it's the worst thing ever. I just felt like there was a lot of potential that was lost due to the fact that there were too many POV characters and a lot of unresolved/rushed plot points (once again, my opinion).
In a way, the difference in the plot build-up present in the PJO series versus the HoO series reminds me of the differences between the MCU and DCU. Captain America Civil War/Avengers was received far better than Batman v Superman/Justice League (both cuts). The script played a big role in that, but so did the time spent building up the universe before the team-up or the duel between powerhouse characters happened.
Marvel had several movies focusing solely on Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and Hulk before they met. You saw their personalities and backstories and knew there would be tension due to their different beliefs. You cared about and understood the characters' motivations and could follow along easily. Batman v Superman, on the other hand, only had Man of Steel as a predecessor, and it wasn't enough. They collapsed Batman's origin, Wonder Woman's origin, the Justice League's origin, various villains' origin arcs and future movies' foreshadowing all in one movie. It was disjointed, baffling, and confusing - even hardcore fans must admit the movie was not perfect.
Similarly, PJO focused on Percy and built up Camp Half-Blood. There was character development, memorable side characters, and a fleshed-out camp setting. In HoO, on the other hand, we had the Seven plus Nico and Reyna as main POV characters and had the focus split between expanding both Camp Half-Blood and Camp Jupiter's lore. As a result, there ended up being settings, characters, and plots that were rushed through or ignored because there was just too much to get through. Character development oftentimes took a back burner, especially apparent with Jason, and characters would sometimes become one-dimensional. Camp Jupiter was not given enough time for people to connect with at the same level as they did with Camp Half-Blood, and it wasn't that surprising when they had their villain arc.
[As a side-note, Camp Jupiter's training just seems nonsensical in comparison to Camp Half-Blood. I mean, I don't want to nitpick more than I already am, but it's kinda incredible that Jason trained since he was a toddler to be a soldier and he's basically on par with Percy, who only started training when he was 12, and that too only every summer. Truly have to wonder about the quality of training on both ends if they are on par despite one having disproportionately more training.]
Plus, you also have a lot of separate side quests for the Seven and set pairings. This doesn't give that many unique interactions between the all members of the Seven and instead we see more Percy-Annabeth, Jason-Piper, and Frank-Hazel-Leo above the rest, which is fine as splitting a large group does usually happen for plot reasons, but it's really apparent that there was missed potential on new character interaction. The focus on balancing all the romantic relationships also played a foremost role in the character interactions.
I think plenty of people on tumblr have come up with excellent one-shots or what-ifs of how the Seven could have interacted with each other. So I wanted to present my ideas for a different path on how a story with Gaea as a villain could have been written in the aftermath of the PJO series instead of a more character-focused rewrite like others have done.
For the sake of fake world-building, I actually do keep the Greek and Roman demigod universes different. Mainly because I feel like it would suit the themes I present for this fake series better. This is all just an exercise in what-ifs. Ultimately pointless, but hey, good for rambling.
Heroes of Olympus - The Lost Hero
HUGE source of inspiration is this tumblr post: https://www.tumblr.com/helpallthenamesaretaken/750786434790785024/au-where-grover-gets-manipulated-by-gaea-to-join?source=share
I think there was also another post that I read awhile back which talked about the same concept as the one above with other people also replying, but I couldn't find it unfortunately. Either way, the idea of Grover/the nature spirits being torn and manipulated into joining Gaea's army is not my idea.
I feel like I would be remiss to completely scrap the ideas of the Heroes of Olympus series. I like the idea of Gaea being the final boss, as in the myths she would frequently instigate huge (family) conflicts.
An interesting plot point in the Heroes of Olympus series was that the Greek Gods did not completely honor all of Percy's wishes at the end of PJO. Instead of blaming Percy for that, it would be great to kinda make the concept "it's hard for the gods to change their ways" a center conflict point in this series.
It's also kinda a real world thing as well - patterns of previous conflicts oftentimes re-emerge due to incomplete solutions and maybe even human nature.
Gaea is gaining influence, just like Kronos did in the past, once again because the gods are not changing with the times. Their immortality blinds them and they are mired in the status quo in a rapidly changing world. Pollution is growing worse and worse. Adult demigods are having trouble going to college/ maintaining families with the threat of monsters lurking.
The nature spirits, creatures, and minor gods relating to the environment are being swayed from being Olympian supporting to apathy and starting to feel like Gaea has a point. This is especially starting to infect the nature spirits of those who wander to and from Camp Half-Blood, or are just outside of camp grounds and prone to pollution.
Gaea doesn't recruit demigods as she feels their short lives make them mercurial and prone to switching sides (Luke, Ethan, Silena). She instead either tries to keep them neutral/out of the war or kills them if they seem like a threat (targeted killings that are covered up). She knows that only a combination of gods and mortals working together can kill the Giants, so she seeks to increase the apathy and hatred in the demigods and make them think the gods don't care about them. She prefers spirits of nature, monsters, and Giants as allies as they are easier to manipulate.
This is helped by the set-up of the older demigods. Post-TLO, the campers just want to live peaceful lives and recover from their trauma. Gaea's Army works on feeding hateful gossip about the Olympians to other demigods via "friendly" nymphs/satyrs. This creates a feedback loop where the demigods and nymphs/satyrs are all feeling more disillusioned thanks to (quite frankly) believable hearsay.
Gaea does not make an appearance in person. She is behind the scenes scheming the entire time. It is a nymph who appears in Gaea's place in the mortal world to do her bidding, a lackey.
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It could be a 11/12 year time-skip after the PJO series. A couple years after the battle, Rachel gives an ominous prophecy about the fate of the world yet again. Everyone is annoyed and they all hope they won't have to deal with it soon considering the last prophecy took decades to come to fruition.
It's understood that as annoying as following Percy's promise was to the Olympians, it was done to prevent another situation from blowing up in their face. So the gods decide to claim all their children and then not interact with them anymore after that. This would put the onus of how to live on the demigods' shoulders and not cause anymore tension, problem solved.
Instead of being super high-strung like they were with the last Great Prophecy, the gods become over-confident, still high from their previous victory.
The prophecy is similar to the prophecy of the Seven. But, it hints at nature being the threat against the gods, and the Olympians don't believe that nymphs/creatures/minor gods of nature can be a threat or swayed from their side. While minor gods are given recognition at the camp via houses, there is still a hierarchy.
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One day, the Doors of Death and Thanatos go missing/are chained. This starts to cause chaos in the Underworld, and in the mortal world, there's a huge surge of monsters. In the confusion, a mysterious figure takes Hazel's soul from the Underworld to Earth, giving her to a surprised Nico.
(Ruining the surprise - it's Hermes. Hermes decides to take an unhealthily active role in demigod lives after Luke's death, to every god's exasperation. While going on a trip to Hades for the other Olympians to see what the chaos is all about, he sees Hazel and takes her up to the mortal world, feeling pity for her. He had just learned that Luke chose rebirth and lacking closure, he did the godly tactic of messing with another mortal's life. He feels instant regret after flouting the rules of non-interference and skedaddles after dropping her off with Nico.)
Nico is just secretly living the good life with Will at college or something. When Hermes drops by, Nico is in shock. He's self-aware that while he wants to help Hazel, he's doesn't have the best resources so he decides to bring her to Camp Half-Blood. Nico lies about Hazel's age to make her seem younger. This is done to get around the whole Hades swore to not have a kid during the Great Prophecy and actually followed the oath, and to protect her from getting outed as a dead girl. Chiron is suspicious, but the Camp as a whole accepts it. Nico stays for awhile and reassures Hazel that he has her back as he is now her brother.
(Hades goes along with it because he knows there is the potential that Hazel and maybe even Nico may get dragged into fixing the mess with the Underworld, thereby giving his children the means of becoming children of the prophecy)
[This Hades goes more off of the version he was in The Last Olympian where he was harsh with Nico.]
Leo is chilling at a school when monsters attack him. He is saved by Coach Hedge and they make a hasty exit in a commandeered school bus to Camp Half-Blood, frantically trying to kill [run over] monsters that keep coming back alive.
Frank (son of Nike, descendant of that shape-shifter dude) has been at the Camp for one week, after his grandmother told him to leave to Camp Half-Blood following the death of Emily. Either Nike changed forms to be a guy or someone was trans, who knows.
As relatively new campers, Hazel, Frank, and Leo all meet. Hazel is spooked by how Leo looks like Sammy and avoids him, Frank and Leo have a terrible first meeting based on a misunderstanding and think badly of the other, Frank has a tentative friendship with Hazel but they don't really talk to each other. All three harbor secrets and are wary about how much they should give away, sabotaging their ability to connect with each other.
Rachel randomly appears in front of Frank and recites a prophecy that basically tells him to go rescue Thanatos. Her prophecy also refers to a child of Hades and a child of Hephaestus. And even more ominously, refers to someone falling - death.
This causes a bitter reaction from the campers, and people are sympathetic to Frank but don't want to join a quest they may die. The reality of living short lives is ever present considering there was a war 10 years ago.
Leo and Hazel are [suicidal] maniacs who want to go to redeem themselves of their past/prove themselves, though.
Leo, after hearing the story of Festus from the campers, declares that he will find them a fast mode of transportation to get them to their destination. Frank is hesitant, but gives Leo a chance.
Frank goes to ask Nico and Hazel which one will join him. Frank knows Nico would be a better choice since he's more established, but prefers Hazel since he's on friendly terms with her and has a gut feeling that she would be helpful. He chooses to ask them to send a person to him rather than make a choice since he's not confident in his decision-making skills.
Nico knows it is more likely for the prophecy to mean Hazel, but he hesitates on the offer. The ache of Bianca still has vestigial effects on him even though he has moved on, and he isn't keen on a repeat after just gaining a sister. Hazel's quiet strength and determination reassures him, and he makes the decision to trust her. Though he tells her to call him anytime for help.
While Leo is working on fixing Festus, Hedge follows him around, trying to give him life advice since he came to care for Leo during his time as his protector. Leo is both amused by Hedge's eccentricities and also annoyed by Hedge's hovering.
Hermes, who is now invested in this quest since he had brought Hazel back, decides to try and provide a safety net. Via dream, he convinces Hedge to join the trio on their quest by guilt-tripping him about Leo. [Hermes' watching from afar, he's not breaking any norms of non-interaction!]
Hedge agrees, and hides on Festus with Hermes' magic goods (flying sneakers, and also no one expects anyone to hide on a metal dragon) and ends up joining them on their quest in an eccentric mentor/violent chihuahua/unwitting therapist role.
As he isn't much of a fighter, he provides guidance and navigation like the satyr in the animated Hercules movie and behind the front lines support (baseball bat plus slingshot).
They all go on the quest that's essentially a mash-up of The Lost Hero and the Son of Neptune - karpoi, Amazons, Laistrygonian giants, cyclops, gryphons, Alcyoneus. (obviously hand-waving a lot of stuff here)
During the quest, at first there are a lot of shenanigans due to misunderstandings and secrets. But they all start bonding and forming close friendships. Overtime, they stop viewing themselves as 'cursed' and useless and start growing into themselves as their secrets get revealed.
To self plug-in again, more of their dynamics in this post
Leo ends up accidentally finding out about Frank's wooden stick first, causing him to become paranoid about being careful around Frank. This causes a tense dynamic with Frank being even more insecure over Leo acting weirdly around him.
Frank figures out Hazel is not from their current time period nor the age Nico gave her, but is in denial at how outlandish the theory is. Franks asks pointed questions, but Hazel thinks Frank is a history and sci-fi nerd. Hazel has several panic attacks, on the other hand, about thinking Leo is straight-up Sammy after he starts going along with her "boomer humor." His nonchalant humor makes Hazel think Leo came back from the dead too. Hazel is constantly dragged into memories of the past, and the Sammy/Leo similarities make her truly reckon with coming back to life.
Leo accidentally reveals his fire powers to Hazel first, who commiserates with him about having powers they associate with bad things. He begs her not to tell Frank about his fire which Hazel is not happy about. Hazel and Leo's obviousness make Frank insecure that they are hiding something from him - and he thinks it's about him or his life stick (not wrong).
Leo eventually uses his fire to help rescue Frank and Hazel. He talks about his past and Frank forces him to hold his lifestick for a moment in a symbol of trust about Leo's control. Leo is shocked and moved, and reveals he is working on fire-proof material. Hazel reveals the Sammy/Leo connection and mentions that while she originally conflated them, she appreciates Leo for the friend he is, and is starting to accept her role in the present. Frank reveals he knew about Hazel's secret and opens up about the death of his mom and fire stick. He asks Hazel to hold the fire stick for him as he trusts her and he would like to know it's safe while Leo works on fire proof material and Frank works on being more confident.
Hedge thinks all this teen drama is wild and munches on popcorn in the background. He also knew all the secrets - he secretly followed Leo when Leo met Festus and was set on fire, and was not just there in the aftermath. Hermes revealed all the details about Hazel to him. And he had seen the interaction when Leo discovered the fire stick. He had just kept quiet because he didn't think it was his secret to tell.
They meet a couple of nature spirits along the way, but they are hostile or ignore them. The demigod trio is confused as the nature spirits in Camp Half-Blood are helpful to them, but outside of camp the spirits are wary. Hedge is concerned about this and notes that his friend Grover had brought up concerns about nature being less harmonious during their last meeting, but mentioned not being sure why that was.
The gods that speak to each demigod: Hades, Hephaestus, and Nike speak to each of their children; but the ones that help the most are Iris and Hermes who use their domains to flout the non-intervention rules.
Frank uses his fire stick to free Thanatos.
When Frank and Hazel fight against Alcyoneus, it's Leo, Festus, and Hedge versus a miscellaneous group of monsters. Festus eventually gets brought down near the end of the fight via decapitation. His body crushes the glacier, bringing down the monster army, fulfilling the prophecy.
Hedge saves Leo from the Festus' fall with his magic sneakers.
Leo is distraught and requests his father to bring Festus' head back to the camp so he can remake him.
After Frank and Hazel defeat the Alaskan giant and Leo and Hedge fight the army, Hazel calls Nico, asking for a way back for all of them as they are stuck.
Arcs for the "Martha? Why did you say that name?" aka "We all lost our mothers" Crew
Frank follows the quintessential arc of being insecure to becoming more self-confident and carrying the hallmarks of a leader. This is connected with his grief over losing his mother as in the beginning he avoids making decisions or deliberates way too long on the pros/cons of everything he does. He's paranoid over if he or his friends will die because of a decision he makes. He deals with the concepts of personal responsibility and honor what they mean to him. Frank is probably the least self-sacrificial of the three, and constantly fears death.
Leo learns to trust others more and rely on other people for help. He's the most avoidant of his problems of the trio, and hides his fire powers even when it could have been useful until he's ultimately forced to reveal it. While the trusting others is positive, he ends up having a more negative character arc where he becomes increasingly over-protective and self-sacrificial as opposed to more closed-off with a humorous facade as he is in the beginning. He may have gotten closure over his mother's death, but he hasn't moved on from his guilty feelings and continues to overcompensate as he hasn't learned to trust himself. He has issues related to control and knowing everything.
Hazel decides to move on from the past and her traumas and appreciate the present. She has imposter syndrome, but her growth is embracing her chance for a second life and living for herself, not for others. Her view of the world is also more optimistic than Frank and Leo's as she was originally from the early 1900s and appreciates the social and technological leap forwards.
This got really long, so I'll be making a part 2 to finish up the story beats relating to the Doors of Death, Gaea, the Argo, the Olympians, and Grover plus the creatures of nature.
If you want, can you do a What if the demigod kids of Nyx and Erebus were in TLT or TLO?? I think you’ve done a child of Nyx already, so if you don’t want to that’s totally fine!!
a/n: This ask took me way longer than necessary to understand before I realized you were asking for both a demigod of Nyx AND Erebus for "What if". The demigod of Nyx was already done so not much would be different if I were to include them with the Erebus demigod, and I can't answer if they were in the The Last Olympian without doing the foundation. This ended up being really similar to the demigod of Nyx versions, because for the most part, realm wise they are rather similar.
But I will do one where if the Demigod of Erebus was in the Lightning Thief instead, okay?
Also its been a while since I've done this so be warned.
Suspending our beliefs how the demigod Erebus came to be because Erebus, while is a primordial deity and is the Primordial/Personification of Darkness, Erebus is also a synonym for the netherworld or the underworld realm of Hades at the same time, much like how Tartarus is also a being but also a place.
So with that, lets just suspend our belief how exactly the demigod of Erebus came to be and just- exists. Maybe they were born or guided with the help of Gaea in preparation for the battle with the Giants, maybe the demigod Erebus rose with the help of Kronos, maybe the demigod of Erebus came to be with the help of a host, like Kronos was able to host in Luke and use his powers. Maybe its one of them or all above, who knows?
I'd imagine they probably were born in the underworld and came from it regardless, alerting Hades of the child of Erebus' existence and because the demigod of Erebus is still mortal and alive, they cannot stay in the Underworld and is sent the Overworld. Maybe adjusting to the mortal realm, kept under eye by one of the Furies and etc.
Regardless, the demigod of Erebus ends up in Nancy Academy somehow because the Fates or whatever, the mist being able to be manipulated or Erebus' own version of the Mist (since Erebus is also acquainted with dark mist) to cover the demigod of Erebus' sudden appearance and origin from mortals and others from peering too much into the truth.
Much like how the demigod of Nyx is like, the demigod of Erebus would probably be out of the range and senses that the closest thing Grover and Chiron could perceive the demigod of Erebus as a child of Hades since they smell like the Underworld and that is the only conclusion.
Because there hasn't been another blood or demigod of the primordial in hundreds of years, and even the technical children of primrodials were Gaea's: Erichthonius (son of Hephaestus and Gaea) and Antaeus (son of Poseidon and Gaea).
The blood of Erebus in them would be too powerful to monsters that they know something is off about this demigod but they are still mortal, that makes the monsters still approach them but it either goes two ways: The monsters entirely back off because they know this demigod is different and its not the good different, OR, the monsters in fear of their power attack them out of fear where their instincts tell them to kill them or they will be killed.
Because they are a demigod of darkness, they are not as fond of light much like the demigod of Nyx. Probably has an aversion to sunlight, susceptible to being sunburnt, and has an allergy to it or even being physical harmed with sunlight at the worst, and doesn't like bright lights either; which probably results them wearing a lot of layers and sitting and lurking in the corners.
(Reflecting how Nyx does not like the Light, her polar opposite, I can only imagine that is this also true for Erebus)
Not to mention, I'd imagine as a child of Erebus and from the one of the aforementioned possibilities of how they were born, they probably haven't gotten the hang of social interactions, plus adding in the difficulties of having ADHD and being Dyslexic.
I can imagine that this would lead to the Erebus demigod being bullied for it because they stick to the shade and shadows, hence also avoiding everyone else, which results Percy getting involved because he hates Bullies and feels protective over the Erebus demigod. Percy doesn't probably think much about the child of Erebus' conditions and quirks much, considering he too has ADHD and is Dyslexic, and being an orphan so he knows a thing or two.
Which makes the job easier and harder for Grover because its easier he can watch over Percy and this (supposed) demigod of Hades who both get along with each other, but harder because the Erebus demigod's aura leaks out the smell of the Underworld and darkness, which makes him uneasy and bleats in nervousness a lot.
It does not help however the Fates or Mrs. Dodds/Alecto because the demigod of Erebus' darkness masks Percy's scent, but also throws the fates off finding the Helm of Darkness when they try to see if Percy has it or not.
Inevitably, the presence of the child of Erebus being there, helps Percy. Or at least, adds to the fact on how Percy went under the radar for so long, and why Mrs. Dodds a.k.a. Alecto didn’t spring onto Percy earlier. The child of Erebus unconsciously leaks their power, the same power that allowed them to remain hidden all this time, where they have power over darkness itself, they can remain hidden under any darkness. Especially at night; hiding Percy and themselves from Zeus or anyone unwanted, even the Furies, as they both sleep.
Alecto being Nyx's children would probably clock after a while that the demigod of Erebus' true identity sooner or later and probably confirm or notify Hades about this development. The fact there is a demigod of Erebus would throw off Alecto and deter the fury for just moment, before wondering how to go further.
Up until Percy uses his powers at the Museum to push Nancy Bobofit into the fountain, coming into his presence as a demigod, I can see Alecto thinking Percy is deliberately staying close to the child of Erebus or involved them even, to first steal and/or hide the Helm of Darkness of Hades for that long because of the child of Erebus' presence; from their sheer power and aura. Not to mention with Erebus having a connection with mist, I can see the demigod of Erebus having the subconscious ability in manipulating the mist in their favour.
Skipping to when the child of Erebus arrives at Camp, not long before or after Percy does, it pretty much goes the same way as the other children of the Underworld and Darkness versions.
They remain close and find solace, wondering about their godly parents, unable to fit for the longest time to find what they’re good at, and when Percy gets claimed, its hard to talk to each other because of being a forbidden child.
Chiron may try to elude to the child of Erebus that they’re a ‘child of Hades’ and they cannot reveal themselves, because Zeus would surely strike them and agitate the looming civil war even more. Percy may have the same suspicions but would not comment on it because he wants to keep things on the downlow to protect his friend. The same song and dance happens, asking if they can sense his mom is dead etc. Though in this case, the child of Erebus can sense her in some way but they’re not sure what that means for sure.
Considering that Sally might have passed through Erebus first before arriving to Hades, I'd imagine the child of Erebus would tell Percy that they felt her go through to the Underworld, but nothing if she was alive or not.
If Luke nor Kronos was responsible for bringing or helping the C!Erebus come to the world, Luke would approach the C!Erebus because Kronos would whisper that they are a very powerful demigod and they are not even a child of a god, their parentage older than the gods. I’m not sure if Kronos would reveal to Luke they are a primordial demigod, regardless Luke would be very insistent on getting to know them and bring them to his cause into overthrowing the gods. Kronos would probably that the demigod of Erebus is who they are judging he's been down in Tartarus and all that.
Kronos would probably intercept the C!Erebus' dreams, telling them to join him and because they are more than just a mere demigod, since the term doesn't fit them in the slightest and they both know its true, and that their godly parent would want them to join him, to be with someone closer to their truer origin. Not to mention, Kronos probably passing on word from Tartarus and/or Gaea and the primordial taking steps ahead of time to recruit one of their own.
I don't think Erebus would be 'conscious' enough to intercept his own kid's dreams but I do imagine that Nyx and/or Gaea would; much like they had done themselves, or heck may have appeared themselves before; showing them that he definition of demigods is not who they are, and they cannot be what they aren’t, that they won’t fit in with these children of the gods for they are beneath them; telling them they should listen to Luke and Kronos as it is a step to their rightful place.
With some consolation they won’t be entirely alone because they would be with the children of minor gods; Hypnos and Nemesis, Hecate specifically- who Nyx semi-approves because those three minor gods are related to her. Nemesis and Hypnos being her children, and Hecate while not her own, her realm being the goddess of the night and moon.
Long story short, I'd imagine more so that the C!Erebus ends up being on the side of Kronos and Luke, slotting themselves against the gods; whether knowingly or not, conscious or subconsciously.
Its pretty much the same thing where the C!Erebus would 'appear' wherever Percy, Annabeth, and Grover are in their journey to Hades, the C!Erebus subconsciously following Percy's shadows and whatnot.
It's pretty much the same for the C!Nyx version from there.
※Note: I just copied this from the C!Nyx version because I can't see things going anymore different if they were there because the story itself already lends themselves from here. ※
When it comes to Percy, Annabeth, and Grover to go on their quest, I can imagine that the child of Erebus somewhat accompanies Percy because they’re used to the presence of his shadow, so they keep track of him that way, maybe even shadow-traveling with his shadow; which they have probably done once or twice unconsciously. This brings a shiver to Percy’s back, feeling the heebie-jeebies as he can feel the child of Erebus passing through his shadow. I dunno if they’re able to astral walk with the night, keeping an eye of what’s going on when its night time, but it’s also a strong possibility. Inadvertently, the child of Erebus, consciously or subconsciously tells Luke of Percy’s journey, allowing him and Kronos to know.
While he knows it's the child of Erebus, it's still uncomfortable and this actually makes Percy more aware of Kronos’ presence throughout the book because he knows what its like someone watching you from the shadows, and he knows it's something else.
When the trio gets to the underworld, things get inexplicably easier and harder. I can see Charon sniffing the child of Erebus, but because its so foreign yet familiar, I think Charon would think Percy is half-dead so getting through would be much easier (still gotta pay the toll feel tho). However, right before they depart the boat, Charon tells Percy that they have the smell of his father on him, and that’s one of the reasons he hasn’t flagged him yet. And that he knows the child of Erebus is in his shadows so he’s not going to rat out on family, though next time if they come onto his boat, they still need to pay because not even siblings get a free pass or discounts.
Percy is confused because he doesn’t remember Charon that well, mixing up with Chiron, so he wouldn’t be able to tell that Charon’s father is Erebus. At this point, he doesn’t know his full godly parentage and ancestral line, so he gets very confused. When it comes to Cereberus, I think Percy gets in easier and they get pretty far before the alarms go off because of Erebus’s presence and aura still lingering on Percy, maybe just as excited.
When it comes to almost dropping into Tartarus, Percy also pulls out the child of Erebus, who is being pulled in by the whisper of Tartarus and Erebus, and Kronos; to come join them. However, when it comes to meeting Hades, things start to come to light and the child of Erebus is ripped out of Percy’s shadow by Hades.
Even in the presence of a god and even though they’re half-primordial, the child of Erebus is still half-mortal and very young. Hades, who is closer to Tartarus and Nyx, and not to mention there's a part of the Underworld called "Erebus", can feel the true godly parentage of Erebus within them. Percy starts yelling at Hades for treating their own kid like that, projecting some of his own early feelings about Poseidon, until Hades refutes Percy’s claims and says that the child of Erebus is not one of his, nor any of the chthonic gods.
Everyone is confused because if the child of Erebus is not one of them, then how come they can use shadow traveling and manipulate the darkness, Hades tells them that they are not supposed to exist, not even possible and they are an anomaly to be killed or kept prisoner in the Underworld so they cannot be used, as well as the Lightning bolt and the Helm.
The story plays out like usual and when they have to use the Pearls, there’s a moment where there’s only three pearls but as Hades and the furies go to at least stop the child of Erebus, the interference of the primordial intervenes and they disappear with the darkness, just as Percy and the others disappear into the ocean.
The story goes on like usual but when it comes to Percy confronting Luke, he manages to disappear with the help with the child of Erebus; who had appeared back at Camp by Erebus, faced with the fact they are not a Child of Hades or any of the related Chthonic gods that could explain their existence, with Hades and probably any other god wants their existence to be snuffed out- so their only choice is to follow Luke and Kronos. They leave with Luke, and before they depart, they do thank Percy for being their friend but they have to live, and they can't stay in a camp full of demigods.
Percy is obviously hurt of course; if we’re going with the book version, the child of Erebus pulls Luke away before there’s scorpion poison or manages to blanket Percy before they leave. If we’re going with the TV show, the child of Erebus and Annabeth fight for a moment before Luke tells them they have to leave. The same words are said to Percy as they depart.
One thing I don't think is talked enough about when it comes to a lot of the antagonist in the series, it's how a lot of them tend to dehumanize/see the demigods as much lesser than.
Not to say the gods don't, but not in the same way the antagonist do I feel like.
Khione(and her brothers) I think is one the most obvious examples to this, freezing and keeping the demigods as living statues is literally discussed hdgdg
Even with Midas, he literally keeps living golden statutes including his own daughter.
At least one of the Giants brings up keeping one of the demigods after they win iirc.
Being seen more like a possession or piece on a board is very common throughout the series. It's definitely obvious with Jason, who's seen as Juno's and Rome's. In a way both Jason and Leo are treated like attack dogs to both Hera and Gaea, it's just Jason's the one Hera could get to heel.
Yet Hera still let's them make connections and walk freely. And she cares enough to grieve when Jason dies. I mean the bar is in Tarturus at this point but hsgdg
Idk. Something is just a lot more unsettling with how the antagonist(like the giants and Khione) talk about the demigods. I think it because they pretty much are claiming demigods like war prises. Which goes back around to something I'm pretty sure I've mentioned before, but the comparison between old versus new. Because, yeah, the gods still stuck in many places, but there's certain aspects most of them had changed in.
For all the demigods that exist, most of them came from genuine connection between the god and mortal parent. There's multiple examples of gods even returning to have another kid with said mortal parent. Many gods seem to think fondly of the mortals they've been with(Aphrodite is outright concerned for Piper's father mental health if he found out about her. )
Not to say that didn't happen in the classics, but there seems to be more of that. Though could be because Rick didn't want to have anything too close to the other subjects in the books. But then he also has antagonist talk about keeping demigods in collections and literally human trafficking so gdgdg
But yeah, there seems to be less kids sired from less then healthy situations. And that also could be because Rick just didn't want to make modern versions of stuff like Achilles' orgins where Zeus had a guy wrestle Thetis down and marry her so her son wouldn't be too powerful. Or any of Zeus' children's origins really.
But the gods tend to have closer connections to mortals and demigods, both hades and Poseidon offer solace in their home to mortal lovers, and don't force it when they decline. Their interactions with mortals/ demigods are down to earth, they only appear to them in full form on Olympus with the other gods or in their realms.
The exception is probably Zeus, who hardly ever comes down from Olympus to talk to anyone.
But he's Zeus, so.
The antagonist however very much address the demigods in a way less down to earth. Making it much more known how powerful they are. Anytime they meet Khione outside her father's place? She's showing off her powers.
The Titans are always large, towering over the demigods. Kronos cares so little about demigods he doesn't even bat an eye when he knocks over his own off the bridge in tlo.
And as I mentioned, many times is idea of keeping demigods as war prises brought up. And that's not new in relation to Greek classics.
The Trojan War was a whole mess of taking women as war prises. Not just Helen being kidnapped but Chryseis,Briseis,Andromache-(honestly, any woman Agamemnon interacted with oh my gods-)
Even men were taken as slaves. It was a normality in war(at least Trojan War wise). If you weren't killed you were taken. Change is important point in each book, how much modern times views being a hero and finding yourself differ from before. How they can mend broken ties and be better then those before them. How they fight for others rather then themselves and pride.
Why the worst antagonist often fight for power, they manipulate and take. They want to be at the top of the world, to be noticed/worshipped. And they do anything to get there.
They see the war as gloryful and a way to reach the top. The demigods see it as trying to live another day. To protect those around them, even desperately trying to save others on the other side.
Idk why, just the whole thing interest me. I think it's also fun idea to explore in a sense.i mean I'm sure there's plenty of Kronos/Giants wins aus, but something about delving into the way that'll effect the survivors intriguing to me.
I think it kinda can be used as a metaphor? At least being looked down on. Feeling like you're being told to dance and entertain sometimes comes with being Neurodivergent. I mean heck, Jason is a walking example of learning to mask so hard you forget who you were underneath. Being dehumanized by those around you.
So something about the heroes fighting help others belong why the villains fight to possess and control everything to their liking feels about right for a series focused on those with disabilities
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the downgrade of villains from pjo to hoo is so disappointing. luke castellan was such a good villain with an interesting backstory and motivations and it HURTS to see the villain that succeeds him. because gaea, to put it bluntly, kind of sucks.
she has no emotional heart, no theme or message to send. she doesn't have a character you can sympathise with, she's not out-there enough to be hated strongly, she's not likeable enough to be one of those charming villains. the series flip-flops between trying to give her good qualities but never expanding on any of them, and trying to make her pure evil but never making her commit to it enough to be enjoyable.
she's just there. she's little more than a plot device, the Ultra Big Bad that we have to fight. and sometimes there's nothing wrong with that! but considering how hoo fails in every other aspect, the bland villain is just another disappointment. luke was what made the original pjo so good — the themes he carried, the tragedy of his life, the base of his character which served as the main core of the story, the balance between good intentions and the corruption of self.
as a result, gaea is just... fine. she’s not an absolutely terrible villain, but she looks second-rate compared to luke and kronos, despite being a lot more powerful, simply because they were much richer in themes and storytelling. even the decent villainous chemistry she has with leo and hazel isn’t enough to carry her to being interesting.
but credit where it’s due, i’ll say toa did much better with villains. the portrayal of abuse with nero and meg, the romance between apollo and commodus, caligula's sadism and lust for power, all had way more personality than gaea ever did. (even if i AM still bitter about how a series with the roman emperors as villains wasn't centred around camp jupiter.)
I have a question for the PJO fandom, what if a primordial God like Nyx, Gaea, or Aeolus had a kid with a human? Because hypothetically it would create either an incredibly powerful demigod or just a god.
The New Year’s resolutions on read riordan are just…
Hazel, you did not have to crush his dreams like that. Also the fact that Frank probably beat Nico at Mythomagic is gold.
Will Solace and Rick Riordan. You two know exactly what you’re doing and I need you to stop right now.
You had no right, Rick.
This is entirely #OnBrand (haha I think I’m so funny) for Alex and I’m going to need this as a short story, Richard. Perhaps we can write this story and convince Disney to release the show this year??? Just some extra incentive?
I- Yes. Yes you did. Probably for the best though.
Richard, is this supposed to be a clue? Like… we getting a Gaea come back story or something? With some new and old heroes? Does she team up with Loki and Apophis? Is this the crossover?
Including Gaea is so out of the blue, Richard, so this feels like a hint. Also, like, no year was specified so… new year 2024? Please say yes there’s a crossover coming in 2024, Uncle Rick!
