#personalish

The nerves are a combination of lots of things but did want to say, I’m sorry I was away from it for so long, I’m hoping there will still be a few readers/commenters/kudo leavers who will be excited to see the story picked up again.

This is probably my hottest US American take and the thing most likely to get me labeled as an asshole, but I wholeheartedly believe that tipping non-tipped positions is a really bad thing that's going to have repercussions further down the road.

Again, I know this makes me sound like a dick, but if someone is making an hourly amount that's at or above minimum wage, that position is not tipped. Are tips nice? Sure! Workers, put out a tip jar. Customers, give workers a (cash) tip to recognize great customer service. But the fact that tipping non-tipped positions is becoming more expected in US American society is a bad thing.

I do have actual reasons beyond how much things cost. Putting my arguments under the cut, but tl;dr (are we still doing those?): PLEASE tip servers, bartenders, and people who are providing a service. The accepted amount is 15-25%, depending on the quality and type of provided service.

But tipping non-tipped positions should be the exception, not the rule. Making it the standard sets up the expectation that companies don't have to increase hourly pay at the pace of inflation because the employees are making tips. (Hint: look at the number of tip jars you saw pre-COVID versus now. Companies aren't paying more despite increased inflation. Allowing employees to put out tip jars is an easy way to placate them without the company having to increase wages.)

If you want to tip someone who makes minimum wage or higher, absolutely do! Tip in cash when possible and never tell the company that you're tipping their employee, much less how much you gave them.

Of course my husband told him that it's because of the shut down since republicans are being babies about some racist shit, and of course his dad shut tried to shut that conversation down.

I was trying to watch something so I mostly just heard bits and pieces, but apparently my husband talked about how much we have to pay for groceries on top of our bills as a way to subtly hint that he can't start buying groceries for every member of his family who depends on benefits who voted to lose them.

So, since you watched the show as it was airing I wanted to ask if Hyde and Jackie were always intended to become a ship and if they were, how do you know? Also, how do you know the original intention was for them to get engaged at the end of season 7, before it was renewed? (Outside from the obvious) I'm so curious

Hi! 😊

I'll start with how I know what I know. The T7S message board at Fan Forum was created very shortly after T7S began airing. When I became co-moderator of the board (less than ten years ago? Around ten?), I read every single post. Including those that were lost in what was called "the purge" by using the Internet Wayback Machine when Fan Forum was called Forum 4 Fans. These are the earliest posts one can find about the show.

This effort took me weeks. I read tens upon tens of thousands of posts and T7S / T7S fandom history. Followed links to defunct T7S fansites (again, the Internet Wayback Machine). This includes reading articles and transcripts of interviews with the cast, producers, writers, and showrunners. Press releases. News about cast negotiations.

Within these posts and fansites are people who went to tapings and wrote thorough reports. People who spoke to producers at tapings. People who (were) connected to people who worked on the show. Wilmer Valderrama posted himself on the board and interacted with fans. Remember, this forum existed before Twitter/X, before Facebook, before Tumblr. These forums were where social media started.

This was also the time of Myspace, and some of the cast posted there, too, which was reported on the message board.

As I found all the info through my research, I posted it in fresh threads on the message board. Facts stick in my head. Once I know it, I remember it.

Anyway, there's the how.

Jackie and Hyde weren't always intended to be endgame. The Filgos were writers on the show a few years before they were chosen as showrunners. During Jackie and Hyde's season 2-3 arc, the Filgos became enamored by the chemistry between the characters.

When the Filgos were chosen some time during season 4 to be the showrunners moving ahead (season 5 through the original end of the show, season 7), they asked the current showrunners to break up Jackie and Kelso by the end of season 4 because they wanted to pair Jackie and Hyde in season 5.

In the second half of season 4, one can see the change in Jackie and Kelso's relationship. It grows more and more toxic, a turn from their previous growth away from their original toxicity. It's written in stages rather than a sudden shift, so it's grounded in story and character.

From season 5, Jackie and Hyde were intended to be endgame. During the press for season 7 before it aired, the cast made clear this was the final season.

The Filgos were contracted through season 7. They got their next job since T7S was ending. Topher was moving on to his movie career fully. Episode scripts were written. Shows were filmed and began to air

Then Fox decides to renew the show (safer to continue a popular series than to risk $$$ on a new show). But the Filgos already had a new job lined up. They couldn't break that contract. They hoped whoever was hired after them would follow through on their vision for the show and reasonably expected the new showrunners to respect the past seven years of character and relationship development.

But the showrunners hired were a) probably cheaper to pay because this was their first showrunning gig and b) presented their vision for season 8, which was to "bring it back to the humor and feel of season 1" -- the only season they liked, clearly, but didn't watch very carefully or with any depth of understanding.

W.V. also had in his contract changes for his character, including him ending up with one of the principal female characters. It wasn't going to be Donna, obviously, so that left Jackie. Not a problem for the S8 showrunners who hated J/H and, very evidently, Jackie as a character.

So instead of following through on the storyline the Filgos left them (i.e. reconcile fan-favorite couple Jackie and Hyde for good) to ease them into the role, they destroyed Jackie and Hyde's relationship because [partially direct quotation, partially close paraphrase from a magazine interview published before season 8 aired], "We never understood it. We never liked it. We think it was a mistake for the show to pair them romantically, so we're returning them to their season 1 dynamic. They were originally antagonists, and they should have stayed that way. That's where the humor is."

Fortunately, frustratingly, and sadly, someone connected to the show revealed Jackie's endgame from the original series finale, the original season 7 finale: Hyde proposes to Jackie, and they get engaged. Their season 7 arc is built around this endgame. Despite the script revisions and rewrites made when season 8 was greenlit, their original endgame remains evident throughout the second half of season 7.

Hyde tells Eric peacefully and happily (for Hyde) that he's decided [to marry Jackie]. Jackie would have actually left for Chicago, leaving Hyde the note he reads shortly after his decision. Kelso was not involved. But the rewrite, I believe, changed Jackie to having pretended to leave. It's messy writing, but it sets up that Kelso must now drive Jackie to Chicago. He's in her motel room, etc.

Side note: Jackie and Hyde, pre-S8 being greenlit, were not going to reconcile two-thirds into the season. They were going to remain broken up but pining for each other. Then Jackie gets the job offer in Chicago and reveals that she (still) loves Hyde and would give up the career opportunity to marry him. She gives him the midnight ultimatum, which she doesn't honor by leaving Point Place before then. Hyde, of course, is angry and devastated since he'd decided to marry her (after sobering up from his beer warehouse binge-drinking).

After Eric tells Hyde Jackie makes him happy and Leo tells him Hyde loves Jackie (aka Loud Girl), Hyde decides to put aside his pride and propose.

The original scripts likely have Jackie go to Chicago before the deadline she set for the ultimatum. Hyde is naturally upset and angry because he'd decided within her deadline to propose, but she deprived him of the chance after forcing the choice.

Hyde's conversation with Eric and Donna about his feelings (in Hyde's way) was probably in the original script. Donna calls out Hyde, realizing he was going to propose. Later, Eric tells Hyde he recognizes that Hyde became happy once he and Jackie got together.

All of the above is easily discernable. The following is conjecture based on the facts, foreshadowing, the Filgos' intended endgame for Jackie and Hyde, and my education and experience as a writer.

These conversations lead Hyde to break out of his misery and go to Chicago (with a ring) and follow-through with the proposal -- a huge character moment for him. He's going to fight for Jackie even if she ultimately rejects him (a parallel to "Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You" in season 5, where Jackie professes her love and doesn't care if Hyde says it back).

Hyde would have knocked on Jackie's motel door. She would've been shocked and asked Hyde what he's doing there. He would have entered and gotten on one knee. The audience would have squealed. Hyde would have proposed in a way true to himself -- not sentimentally but touching nonetheless.

She'd be in shock. "I can't believe you came to Chicago ... "

Hyde says his knee is starting to hurt, so she better make up her mind before he's forced to stand up.

Jackie: "Yes! Steven, yes, I'll marry you!"

Hyde blows out a heavy breath in all kinds of relief, stands up, and puts the ring on Jackie's finger. Jackie and Hyde kiss and embrace. Then Jackie examines the ring and is surprised he didn't go on the cheap like Eric.

Hyde: "Yeah, well, I asked W.B. for help."

Jackie: "But you hate hand-outs!"

Hyde: "It's not a hand-out! It's a loan. I'm gonna pay him back."

Jackie stares at Hyde lovingly.

Hyde: "What?"

Jackie: "This is our first fight as fiancés!"

Hyde laughs quietly then kisses Jackie again.

Fade out.

When people say that abuse and recovering from abuse is complicated and messy and not always sunshine and roses and happy tears? They mean that. Life isn't easy to deal with in our world on a good day, so can you imagine the struggle of learning how to be what our world requires of a functioning human, when you've never been treated like a human yourself by those who are supposed to nurture and care for you?

Do you guy's realize how far that can set someone back in life? How much it can effect their every waking day?

My father and I have our moments where we can't see eye to eye because of some normal barrier of difference, that's just life, but I can dissolve 90% of my father's opinions down to the fears that he has because of the life he experienced.

Abused people can often stay...heightened? at all times. There is not a day my father does not work because he believes the moment he stops working is the moment he has failed his family and will send us into further poverty. He might be correct, he also might be wrong and is unable to see that he doesn't have to further degrade his already broken body into dust just because he takes a few days to do nothing or to focus on himself.

Billy himself his close in age to my father, only about 9 years younger than my dad and I can say with certainty that the way society and people in general treated children, let alone low class abused children, was horrific and predatory.

I'm not really sure what I want to say with this, but when I see people saying that people like Billy shouldn't be helped or they should die or be shunned- all I can see is the same shit that people have been giving my own father his whole life.

The looks, the judgement, the distaste- like they are looking at some kind of dirty animal only fit to be put to work or put down.