Seeing a blog that claims to be supportive of paras and then seeing ‘proshipper dni’ in their bio like
Come on
It’s just feels weird?? Like, you want paras to get better and not harm anyone, but then you shame people for liking ficton that may or may not even pertain to their paras. Fiction that could be their only outlet to curb urges safely
I dunno but theres something weird about that
This is paramisia.
Honestly, I think the whole "proshipper/antishipper" argument is such a waste of time. I think both sides make good and bad arguments, and that they both lack nuance in many cases, and end up steering into "fiction is completely harmless" and "it is immoral for fiction to ever portray harmful topics", both of which are such black-and-white thinking.
I think that instead of having these ridiculous arguments, we should focus on advocating for better safety precautions for children using the internet that doesn't cut off adults from exploring fiction.
For example, creating websites that are actually SFW and don't have comment sections or messaging (so even if adults use the site, they can't actually speak to the children using it.) Or, if you really want commenting/messaging to be a thing, have a list of pre-approved symbols or phrases that can be selected between, sort of like an AAC machine.
These websites could have games that can be enjoyed by kids, videos that can be enjoyed by kids, and so on, all with actual moderating teams.
In this hypothetical, the only people who can upload these games or videos are pre-screened and approved by the moderating teams, no videos or games go out unwatched/unplayed by adults, etc, etc.
And then once a kid reaches teen years, and wishes to integrate to the wider internet, there should be required videos (with captions and full descriptions to be disability friendly) that you have to watch, discussing grooming and red flag behavior, internet safety, etc, before you can make an account.
Of course, I also think legal guardians should be responsible and teach children these things themselves, but realistically that won't always happen, so I think the best solution to make sure teens actually get informed is to put these measures in place.
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I want anti censorship/proship people to actually mention black people for once. Talk about how Hay’s code also banned depictions of interracial relationships and marriages. Talk about how blackness is seen as taboo. Talk about how books about black history get banned. Talk about how badly we are treated in fandom spaces. Talk about how black people have been censored and treated like we don’t exist.
Oh and also defending racist media because you’re “anti censorship” doesn’t actually make you anti censorship. You’re just racist. And people of color have every right to not want to see that shit.
(I am aware not all proship people are like this, I am simply talking about the anti blackness I’ve seen. Other poc may add on with their own experiences too)
I think we need to bring back public shaming because, how can you live with yourselves? "I know what you are but what am I!" logic, everything you've said applies to you and to your grooming ring only and is a watered down version of everything I called both of you out for.
Like moths to a fucking flame, attention starved predators is all you are:
Calling you out for being Predators doesn't make me one of you. My pinned post has hundreds of links with proven year long evidence of a lot of you being sexual with minors. Until someone has evidence of me doing what you did, no, I'm not what you are, it's incredibly embarassing you'd try to project that onto me, and a blatant disrespect to us CSA survivors, it's disgusting the way your cult will water down important words to describe people who call you out for these things.
"stalker"
Proship Froggo’s Sexual Harassment campaign against lnfinity-survivor-choco/infinite-proship-choco/infinite-survivor-mirmo. Below are re
Tab 1 This document serves to highlight patterns of behavior and criminal intent on the part of the perpetrators in the harassment campaign
Randos trying to find my medical information (and leading minors to it through triangulation)
Tertiary sources trying to debate primary sources' experiences.
Stalkers behind discord servers using a tag to compulsively attempt (and fail) to assert authority over someone's own experiences, getting surprised when it doesn't work.
Using a tag historically used by known predators to keep tabs on someone as a nexus point for information control.
Burner blogs sending rape threats to minors.
Publicly stating (and lying) about what your victims get off to.
Fetish mining from 13 year olds.
Cooperating with Nathan Hill:
Reddit commentary about facial deformities, disordered and disabilities.
Funneling minors.
Play acting power dynamics online regarding people you disseminated rape imagery of.
Okay so, I wasn’t expecting to make this document, but it’d be necessary to do so. When I was interacting with him the first time around, I
Because only you did all of the above, you are Stalkers.
And of course, over a year of a thousand people and people part of a grooming ring getting constantly fact checked and called out by a syskid, it doesn't matter whether you call yourselves proship or not, you've strobed epileptic people, kept videos of minors, endorsed someone guilty of sending ilegal material to a 15 year old. (Mayday) And constantly followed my blogs, despite clearly having the lot of you blocked.
Gravekandy sympathizers, apologists, and people who did this. For an entire year don't deserve to feel safe on the internet, you didn't "mock" people's traumas. You tried to author them, and I quite frankly couldn't care less what tertiary sources want to deflect their actions with, unlike your endlessly documented crimes, as well as constant spread of misinformation and manipulation tactics, there's always proof to everything I say, and you can stay mad about it all day every day, none of it changes what you are, and any sympathizers of your grooming ring don't belong in the Proship community, or the internet as a whole.
You are a Stalker, so Is the rest of your cult, the fact that you get held accountable is the result of your actions only, nobody else's, you followed just yesterday, you clown.
Now, into the second clown.
You speak of projection, while projecting, yes you follow random people in the Proship tags, I follow back are past followers who follow me first, with the Antibraincells tag and my Mirmology tags, you? you talk out of your nostrils like a spoiled teenager saying words of nothing and expect to be taken seriously.
Where have I been sexually predatory to another person, was it in the Alfie situation where Gravekandy (which you reblogged from as minors btw) publicized sexual messages or myself being sexually harassed? or was it when the Mochi situation was brought to light by yours truly? I'll wait for a drop of evidence to pop up in my inbox, in the meantime there are thousands upon thousands of receipts proving all of you, as well as everyone in the Choco situation who spoke my name, have been outed for being either sexual predators or sexual harassers, oftentimes both, and no amount of repeating your desperate damage control will change any of what you did.
No. What's really pathetic is an entire grooming ring tried anything in the works to isolate their victims with your collective fanbases and you still got your asses kicked every single time, I deal with my situations solo, you hide behind every other person I exposed and with all those numbers, you still get yourselves fact checked, despite doing your daily work sending rape threats to followers and trying to coerce them into compliance, and how despite your known excuses and overall BS projections, as well as mass reporting for information control in favor of your false narratives, it's still not enough to blind people from the truth of what you are, and everything y'all did.
That, is what's pathetic.
"i didn't follow-" Yes. you did , it'd be fucking funny if it wasn't so pathetic seeing you talk so much shit and lie so much:
You turned out to be horrible people, the only distinction between calling out past predators and calling you out with your circle is you're not on the receiving end of everything you freeloaded about, you and your cult decided to poke and prod a victim to the limit, Gravekandy was outed as a sexual predator by me and your source of the contrary was yourself, the word of mouth from people who got outed as groomers, and a sex offender, without a screenshot of evidence to back up your projections. you confessed it yourself, headcanoning what people get off to is sexual harassment and it became a public spectacle in the Alfie situation:
Debunking Gravekandy's pos and adding part of my ownt. The following document contains: Emotional manipulation Blackmail Coercion Sexual
from the same people who've admitted they get off to minors hating them, and the same group who did not just all of the above, plus the following.
Abuse and Manipulation tactics of Proship Froggo and friends. This document existing is not harassment, it is evidence compiled of the mane
Sexual Harassment Documentation & Evidence Doc from Infinite-proship-choco//Infinite-survivor-mirmo. This document is a direct continuation
You're the only one who was supporting a rapist, that makes you a predator.
and I'm not the one who supported Gravekandy who was outed for being a sexual predator, "yet another instance of you using the word Predator" yet another instance of me being right and another one of you lying and misusing buzzwords the same exact way antishippers did last year when they got deplatformed, between yourselves and radical antishippers there's no distinction.
Predator, you mean the word where every single time I said has been proven correct? and every time anyone in your cult said it it was proven to be false? Sorry I didn't fucking ask people who value their comfort over RAPE VICTIMS and I for sure don't give a flying fuck about what someone like you has to troll with, a year of evidence makes me a moral authority none of you will ever be, unlike you I don't use people's experiences as public props and decided to argue them on Tumblr Dot Com like hobbyless buffoons whose most important thing in life, from your never ending privilege is ragebaiting and trying to get my attention, something that extends to your entire cult.
Same people who did all of this:
Newsflash, shitstain, there's something called credibility. The reason nobody believes your circle's projections Is because you've spent a year lying about people and making excuses when they called you out.
Now stop watering down words you deflect onto people rightfully criticizing your actions and behavior, every time I called out someone in your clique for being proved sexual predators, you threw a tantrum and attempted to project it into the people calling you out, which, considering the enormous amount of proof against you. Is incredibly ironic.
Using your mental illness as an excuse as to why you platform someone guilty of RAPE is disgusting and you are a disgusting person. You sit and play the collective game of buzzwords and bait, I've got yet to see any accountability taken. I thought I made myself clear until every single perpetrator took accountability none of you would ever be allowed to feel safe deflecting.
No. Calling you out for supporting a rapist isn't ableist, you know what is ableist though? "You're pushing 30!" You don't know my bodily age and I'm a syskid, profiling people's bodily age to manufacture how they should be perceived IS ableist.
You know what's the only thing losers like you can do?
Your little drama baiting posts in my tags, which is all you know how to do, aside from being creeps, a sniveling fucking worm whose not just not worthy of my time and attention, but doesn't deserve to be online, stalking minors, orbiting children, is all your cult has done, I can, and will continue to call anyone in your grooming ring out who puts my name in their mouth, your age doesn't exempt you from accountability.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough last time.
YOU put my name in your mouth (and got caught projecting) YOU are the only ones posting in my tag and being surprised when your drama leeching shiftflinging gets thrown back, YOU are the only ones baiting for drama and emotional responses, because it's the only thing you got in life.
This is the only time I will say it, scum like you doesn't get to read it twice, you.sniveling tapeworm of a block and back evading troll:
Stop stalking my page, stop block and ban evading, get the FUCK, OFF my sphere and keep my name out of your mouth, you don't get to be comfortable objectifying and talking shit about victims and expecting graces, you decided, from behind the keyboard and the comfort of your home, to do everybody you got outed for, welcome to the world actions have consequences
You have mingled with rapists, stalked people, sexually harassed them, perpetrated NCCSA against someone online, do NOT EVER put the festering pile of unwanted slop that is your blog on my list of followers, you had everything handed to you on a silver platter and the only thing you did was beg people to fix all your problems. You kept chasing clout around my blog last year and trauma dumping like the drain on resources you are, you didn't stop being besties with Gravekandy out of morality, you did it because they were at odds with your RAPIST partner, you were the willing partner of a Rapist, the only difference between you and Nathan is your age, speaking of whom nobody's forgotten you abused a 13 year old, Rot.
You don't want to be reality checked? here's a simple solution, keep my name out of your mouth, stop deflecting, take accountability, and get the fuck swat from my space. You're disgraces to the Proship community and I deal with thirty of you every day, this isn't new or special, it's cathartic, every time one of you tries to get my attention and deflect from your crimes, it gives me a new chance to use you as emotional punching bags, someone always throws the same punch, as you are pathetic crybullies, none of you are worth a minute of my time, and when ignored you send rape threats to mutuals. Congratulations you get the privilege of having me clean up the trash again, put yourselves in the bin and stop wasting my oxygen, in fact, stop wasting everyone's oxygen, the community as a whole has had enough putting up with your BS for well over a year now, I've got some of you deplatformed and there will be more, your egos are too fragile and far too big to accept when you're done. Keep digging your graves, it's only making me more vindicated.
You will never have the last word about victims' own experiences and testimonies against your cult, your power plays to try and feel In control of others is laughably documented, newsflash, I am the judge, you are the judged, I am a primary source, you are documented transgressors, tertiary projectors, and repeat offenders, I am the authority in the Choco situation, your only roles are thar of predators facing accountability.
Diction without Truth is fiction, and there's nothing more fictional than w grooming ring attempting to build collective identity around hiding all of their crimes with trying to collect victimhood from your victims, like the losers you are, unfortunately for you the evidence against you isn't going anywhere, it'll never go anywhere, and nobody is neutral about you or your supporters, you've been widely documented across platforms to be loathsome, prolific trolls whose only purpose is to orbit minors and sexually prey on the vulnerable, and the only minors in your community who support you got outed for sexual assault against other children. There's not a single quality any of you possess that earns you leniency, the only thing you deserve is public disgust, consequences, and to never be allowed near vulnerable people again.
Remember, these are the same person who did this;
Block and report, none of them deserve a space in the Proship community or the interne.
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They turned genuinely factual and reasonable statements into something that will forever be associated with them and their gross takes.
I was scrolling through Twitter yesterday and I found this post where someone was clowning on another person for considering a fictional character’s feelings and didn’t want them to be sexualized because they were implied to be an SA victim.
They were told that “It’s just fiction” and that “They aren’t real.” The OP dismissed these statements as “proship logic”, and refused to listen to the people telling them those things further. People clowned on them more for this, but that statement honestly really made me think about just how fucked these two statements’ reputations are due to proshippers constantly using them for all the wrong reasons.
“It’s just fiction” “They aren’t real.” Now, anytime those statements are used for the right reasons by other people, the people being told that are automatically going to assume that that’s “proship logic” and dismiss it. And, honestly? I cannot fucking blame them in the SLIGHTEST.
Literally the ONLY TIMES up until now I’ve seen these statements is when they were used by proshippers to excuse their fucked up fantasies, thoughts, and others-in THEIR COMMUNITY MIND YOU-drawing these fucked up things and spreading it publicly for anyone to access and see.
I’ve seen it be used by them to excuse racism, transphobia, rape, incest, abuse, and so much more.
I’ve seen it be used by them to excuse pedophiles and groomers using fictional content-that AGAIN THESE PROSHIPPERS AND DARKSHIPPERS MADE-as a way to groom children into accepting these gross and unacceptable things as normal things that people are “unreasonably” mad over. I’ve also seen them use these excuses to victim blame the victims and kids groomed, and pointing fingers at another terrible community(*cough cough* darkshippers *cough cough*)instead of holding the adults accountable.
“It’s just fiction.” “They aren’t real.” Statements that are supposed to get people out of their own heads and treat real people like REAL PEOPLE, instead of the opposite, are now associated with people who will DIE on the hill that is doing anything—and I mean ANYTHING—to defend spreading their weird abuse fantasies to anyone online, and gross behavior.
term for when someone isnt a proshipper themselves for any given reason, but likes/sympathizes with/is friends with proshippers !!
you can call yourself a prokisser or prohugger if you want it to be more platonic , even though prokisser doesnt explicitly mean your significant other/partner is a proshipper (although it can be) !!
can be mixed with other terms and be used by people who are anti, neutral, or peaceship that doesn't care/mind about pro/com/darkshippers interacting or following! if comshippers and darkshippers can or can't interact with you, you should clarify that on your own !! literally anyone can use if they so wish !!
emoji combos are 🌈💋 and 🌈🫂, the hug one can be for more platonic or just for websites where the kiss emoji doesn't show up for any reason !!
basically lighter, tinted version of the proship flag (one of the many proship flags) !! the purple stands for support of your friends or proshippers you know, the green stands for kindness and being nice to proshippers, the white stands for peace and uninvolvement in drama (if you stay away from it) or your contrasting opinions coexisting with proshipper friends you may make or have, the pink stands for love or friendship with proshippers you interact with, and the yellow stands for unity, where you and your friends are united despite one of you not being proship !!
also feel free to repost this anywhere WITH CREDIT !! credit @greenbeanx3 on tumblr when reposting :3
suggested by @virovirokun-has-adhd , also tagging @runr4bb ♥️
also first term ever coined teehee . this is close to the proshipper supporter flag and term but I can't find it anywhere but Pinterest so! more indepth info about it too heh