#nazenation

Those of you who follow my Twitter know that I cut off SeptyPaws--because I quite literally tweeted that last night.

By the sounds of it, I'm far from the only one. Neko Koda--the person behind #SupportSeptySquad--made a post on TwitLonger regarding her decision to cut Septy off.

Meanwhile, a couple of days ago Kumo uploaded a call various people had with Septy--which began with LioConvoy grilling them over a situation I'll go into more detail about in a moment. However, I want to note just how angry and saddened Lio sounds during the call--coming from somebody who has known Lio for half a decade, I can safely say this is the most honestly upset I've ever heard him. To be honest, it actually made me tear up listening to how frustrated somebody who is usually calm and collected even in the face of the worst people was.

Coming from somebody who has known Lio for as long as I have, I know his critics commonly accuse him of being a hothead who goes off on everybody who even slightly wrongs him and will mindlessly scream at anybody who does not agree with whatever they believe. In truth, Lio is one of the most patient and easy to talk to people I have ever come across--it just so happens that the people who levy this accusations against him are not the people who talked to him with an honest conversation in mind. The reality has always been that the only things you need to do if you want to have a pleasant conversation with Lio are not get defensive, not get theatrical, and not lie to him. He is willing to talk basically anything out with the person in question on the condition that you keep your ego at the door and tell him honestly what's going on.

But this post is not about the various slaps Septy has gotten over the past couple of days, nor is it about the fact that he managed to put Lio in an emotional state I've honestly never seen him in before. Instead, I want to talk about what caused me to cut off Septy during this situation--because it's something I really don't feel is talked about enough.

I have two rules when it comes to people I talk to: I do not tolerate dishonesty nor do I tolerate special pleading. In my experience, Septy has engaged in both of these thing multiple times.

Regarding hypocrisy, I want to begin by talking about Septy's recent drawing of CarmenRider being gang raped by Prison Mate Luke and Kai Weiss. The tags for this image on the Rule 34 website include things like "handcuffed," "handcuffs," "non-consensual," "rape," "revenge sex," and "taped mouth."

Now Septy's a NSFW and has used the OCs of other people in the past. For example, at one point Septy made a piece of art of Neko Koda and CarmenRider's character Virgo giving a boob job to CarmenRider's OC. Neko Koda has said she's fine with porn being made of her OC as long as it's not rape porn, and Carmen has said she's fine with porn being made of her OC regardless of what it is, so I don't see an issue with this.

However, the choice to throw two totally random people into this drawing--including one who has basically left the internet because of the backlash they got--just seems uncalled for. Even ignoring my own thoughts on making porn of real people and people's OCs, I personally think the choice to add two people who Carmen has previously gone after--again, one of which was really only guilty of being an opportunistic liar and who basically left commentary all together after being called out--to be fucking terrible. This is especially hypocritical because Septy railed against Carmen using a picture of Neko Koda being raped as a thumbnail for one of her videos--when the picture of Koda, as tasteless and shitty as I thought it was, was both less explicit and didn't have anybody in it other than Koda.

Septy has had two excuses for this:

They were commissioned to make this art.

They made it to get back at Carmen for the thumbnail of Neko Koda being raped.

We'll ignore the fact that these two explanations are totally contradictory--was it made for revenge or to get money?--and instead go through them one by one. If it's the first one, then Lio had already told Septy that they have places to go and people they can talk to if they're ever in exactly this situation. The fact is, "I did it for the money," always an understandable reason for making the art, is not an excuse.

However, I want to break down the second one in a tad more detail because it was honestly the reason I cut Septy off. If Septy really made this piece of art to punish CarmenRider (which, I should note, wouldn't even work because she's made it very clear she is fine with all NSFW artwork of her OCs), then what they engaged in basically amounts to correctional rape through art.

For those unaware, correctional rape is the concept of using rape as a punishment for some crime they admitted--usually stepping out of line in a heavily patriarchal society. For example, a woman who is found to be in a lesbian relationship might be raped as some attempt to "teach her a lesson." It is one of the most evil things a civilization could possibly engage in. Here Septy is bringing back that same concept--and dragging two people into it--against a transgender woman with a girlfriend through art. That is far more tone death than what Carmen did to Neko Koda--which, I want to make it clear, was still terrible in every way.

In general, I've always known Septy to be a bit of a shady character and somebody who appeared to have a bias in their own favor. Outside of some light conversations in Carmen's server, the first real experience I had with them was the video on Kumo's channel with them, Definitely Board Oranges, Neko Koda, Ghetsis, and NazeNation where they all talked about CarmenRider.

I later commented on this video along with Fractured Light.

Outside of Koda commenting asking me for a live debate (which I'll get to in a minute), the only person from that video to comment on it was SeptyPaws, who said the following.

First off, I just want to point out how they singled out our take on their segment as "awful" and "one-sided." One has to wonder if they thought the rest of my takes were fine, or if they were only paying attention to what I said about them.

I should also note that nothing we did--even according to Septy--would make either myself of Fractured Light hypocrites--that's just not what that word means. For that matter, we were judging the video, not Septy as a person, so asking for elaboration on points made in the video would totally miss the point of commentating on that video specifically. Obviously if I were making sweeping statements about Septy as a person I would ask them for more information, but I was simply judging how they came off in that video.

Anyway, this comment then got tore apart by Fractured Light, Toganium, and Renbo64.

Meanwhile, Septy was ranting in my Discord DMs about basically the same thing they said in the comments. However, they also told me that everything wrong with the video was really the fault of Kumo, and how if only they had some more time the segment would have been perfect. Mind you, why they were taking my criticisms so personally when they also say the issues with their segment were totally outside their control was something Septy never explained. Nor did they explain, upon further reflection, why exactly any of this new information would disprove what Fractured and I said.

Most of you know what happened next, I had a live debate with Septy, Neko Koda, and Kumo.

At roughly 1:57:00, I asked Septy why they were no longer blaming Kumo for the flaws in their segment/the video more generally in front of Kumo despite doing that in private. The end result was Septy and Kumo going back and forth for a quarter of an hour--in a debate where all three of them were supposed to be fighting me.